I guess I am asking why does Iowa have to promote the stadium by saying Historic Kinnick Stadium, I am not mocking it, but other stadiums have had Heisman trophy winners play on it, and none that I can tell, start the game by reminding everyone. What makes it Historic? Its old, in fair shape, is a great place to watch a game, bit cramped, and the parking is terrible, but overall a nice home field advantage, why keep saying its Historic?
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Nile Kinnick was an WW2 war hero. He was a pilot who died serving his country. The name on the stadium means more than just a Heisman trophy winner.
Jeff, may I ask why you think this?
ACC takes UCONN and their 28,288 per game average, South Florida and their 30, 065 per game average. I may see UCONN to get the tv market, its 3.6 million, but what does S. Florida bring to the table, the conference all ready has Florida State, so they would not be able to charge more, why take them?
SEC takes OU, could happen, and maybe they take Okie State as the package deal, but what does Tech provide, no new tv sets, they already have Texas AM.
Pac 12 Boise 33,612 last year, horrible academics, BYU, great attendance, good academics, but they already have Utah in the conference, again, no new tv will be added. TCU and BU, great academics, new tv market, but you do not need both, and they are private schools. None of the other Pac 12 schools are private, would the pac 12 want that, and if so, why take both when one school brings in all the tv in texas. Tech will never get into the Pac 12, low academics. Texas, the other big fish here, do they want to travel out to the west coast for half their games, they have said they will not give up the LHN, so does the conference allow it or buy them out?
Big 10, the dream of ND continues, even after they have repeatedly said they are not interested in joining a conference that forces them to give up the tv deal with NBC or does the league allow them to keep it? Kansas would jump at the chance to join the league, but will their BOR allow it, knowing that K state would be left out? The governor of the state is a K state grad. Kansas also has great bb but football is horrible, they average 27,000 a game last year and you are only getting another 2.9 million tv sets.
So in the end the schools left out are for sure ISU, K state, W. Virginia and two of the following, O State, TCU, Tech or Baylor. All the school listed had football attendance of more than 15 to 20 thousand more than UCONN and S. Florida.
Look I am not saying the stadium should not be named after Kinnick, and yes, he did die serving the country. But its a reach to say he was a hero, if I remember he died during a training exercise. Again, I am not mocking him, so please do not think that I am, he is deserving to have the stadium named after him, but why do they keep calling it Historic Kinnick stadium? What history has been made there that was not also made at Penn. St, Wisconsin, Mich, Mich. St or Ohio State? That is all I am asking.
Yes you are mocking and yes you are a clone moron. Go follow your new coach off the cliff lemming and get ready to get your ass kicked by CJ and the boys when you come to Historic Kinnick Stadium!!!
No I am not mocking anyone, I just wonder why the U of I, feels the need to promote the stadium as Historic Kinnick stadium. Do they want to keep his name fresh in public eye, ok, you named the stadium after him, that is a hell of an honor, why keep saying its Historic?
Fine your stadium is named after an african american that played at Iowa State 25 years after Iowa had an african american playing for them.
I feel bad for you that this is how you feel about ANY veteran that served our country.
Why, because I question why they call a stadium historic. Look, I have nothing wrong with veterans, but I will say, to me calling a person a hero, is a sacred thing, not something everyone gets just by joining the army, but for someone that actually was in combat, risking their life. Not someone sitting at a desk somewhere. We used to honor the fallen, the truly brave, now we have given that honor to all that served. Great, lets tell them we are thankful, but lets honor our true hero's.
From what I understand Kinnick could of tried a crash landing on the carrier's deck. But instead of risking any sailor's lives he ditched his plane in the ocean knowing its was a death sentence.
Yes, but we do not calling it Historic Jack Trice field, Trice made history at ISU, died from injuries from a game while playing for Iowa State, he desires the honor. Whether Iowa had a African American 25 years or 100 years before has nothing to do with it. I am not questioning why Iowa named the stadium after kinnick, it was a well desired honor, I am just asking why they have to say its Historic?
If what you say is true he deserves to be called a hero, I was under the impression he went out, and crashed and never returned. It was never determined what happened, but you may be right. If so, I am wrong, but it does not answer my question, why not just call it Kinnick stadium why is always Historic Kinnick stadium?
Here is what Wikipedia is quoting.
On June 2, 1943, Kinnick was on a routine training flight from the aircraft carrier USS Lexington (CV-16), which was off the coast of Venezuela in the Gulf of Paria. Kinnick had been flying for over an hour when his Grumman F4F Wildcat developed an oil leak so serious that he could neither reach land nor the Lexington, whose flight deck was in any case crowded with planes preparing for launch. Kinnick followed standard military procedure and executed an emergency landing in the water, but died in the process. Rescue boats arrived on the scene a mere eight minutes later, but they found only an oil slick. His body was never recovered. Nile Kinnick was the first Heisman Trophy winner to die; he was a month and seven days away from his 25th birthday.
I will add that Kinnick was the 5th winner of the award, it was first given out in 1935 to Jay Berwanger of the U of Chicago.
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1. I would not argue with calling anyone who died in uniform in WW2 a hero, although that's usually reserved for those who did something conventionally heroic. Would the Sullivan brothers be called heroes? I think they were. I certainly would have no problem with giving them that honor.
2. I trust someone will correct me if I'm wrong -- it has happened before -- but I think Kinnick is the only college stadium in America named for a Heisman Trophy winner.
3. It would be accurate to the place "Historic Kinnick Stadium" even if he died of old age after a nondescript life, because of how long football has been played there and how many memorable games.
4. I have always thought that the people in charge of the ISU-Iowa football trophy really, really missed the obvious, not just once but twice. Why not have Jack Trice and Nile Kinnick shaking hands on a gridiron? I'm not equating their college careers, of course, but both have stadia named for them and both died tragically, one in defense of his nation and the other in representing his school. I can't imagine even some of the yahoos on this board objecting to a trophy such as the one I suggested.
Over 60 yrs. after Nile Kinnick last stepped on the football in the stadium that was named for him in 1972, Iowa fans still feel his presence at Iowa games.
That's because Kinnick was, and still is, the one Hawkeye to whom every other Iowa All- American is compared too. For no Hawkeye did more on and off the football field than the Adel, Iowa, native, who many believe could have been President of the United States had not his WW II Navy fighter not gone down on a training flight, June 2 1943.
His career, like that of Iowa's "Ironmen" and his senior season of 1939 was the ulitimate. For during those 8 games Kinnick produced unforgettable and magical moments:
throwing a touchdown to a teammate on the final play of the game that rallied Iowa to a 32-29 victory over Indiana;
running 1 yd. through 4 ND tacklers and into the end zone that gave Iowa a 7-6 victory over the much heralded Irish;
intercepting a nation's high 8 passes while throwing 11 TD's of his own;
throwing 2 TD passes, including the last one with under 4 minutes to go, to rally Iowa from a 9-0 deficit and pass Minnesota, 13-9;
participating in 107 of his team's130 pts. including 11 on drop-kicks;
and finally, prophesying and speaking of courage, specifically of those men who would die on the WW II battle fields, during his memorable Heisman Trophy speech in NY. Kinnick showed the same courage when he enlisted before Pearl Harbor.
"Every man whom I have admired in history has willingly and courageously served his country's armed forces in times of danger," he wrote his parents. "It is not only a duty but an honor to follow their examples as best I know."
This is a little about Nile Kinnick and why he's a Iowa hero from the book "Hawkeye Legends, List, & Lore."
That's because Kinnick was, and still is, the one Hawkeye to whom every other Iowa All- American is compared too. For no Hawkeye did more on and off the football field than the Adel, Iowa, native, who many believe could have been President of the United States had not his WW II Navy fighter not gone down on a training flight, June 2 1943.
His career, like that of Iowa's "Ironmen" and his senior season of 1939 was the ulitimate. For during those 8 games Kinnick produced unforgettable and magical moments:
throwing a touchdown to a teammate on the final play of the game that rallied Iowa to a 32-29 victory over Indiana;
running 1 yd. through 4 ND tacklers and into the end zone that gave Iowa a 7-6 victory over the much heralded Irish;
intercepting a nation's high 8 passes while throwing 11 TD's of his own;
throwing 2 TD passes, including the last one with under 4 minutes to go, to rally Iowa from a 9-0 deficit and pass Minnesota, 13-9;
participating in 107 of his team's130 pts. including 11 on drop-kicks;
and finally, prophesying and speaking of courage, specifically of those men who would die on the WW II battle fields, during his memorable Heisman Trophy speech in NY. Kinnick showed the same courage when he enlisted before Pearl Harbor.
"Every man whom I have admired in history has willingly and courageously served his country's armed forces in times of danger," he wrote his parents. "It is not only a duty but an honor to follow their examples as best I know."
This is a little about Nile Kinnick and why he's a Iowa hero from the book "Hawkeye Legends, List, & Lore."
He was a Republican. He'd be booed at pep rallies in Iowa City today. If he were allowed to speak at all.
He's no Trump and it was a much different time period. I myself being a Liberal Democrat, could care less of his political views. A hero is a hero.
Not sure 'Historic' has any direct correlation to Nile Kinnick. Don't know who initially started calling it Historic, and don't care. Probably somebody like Jim Zabel. Built in 1929 with primarily horse and mule muscle. Not renamed Kinnick until 1972. Now dated, but clearly a thing of beauty when constructed, and still is.
It ain't prefab concrete. It also isn't referred to as Half Price Stadium, the reason for which is obvious when examining ISU ticket prices. Is this ridiculous topic an extension of the chronic whining about ANF decals?
Kinnick wasn't built in the 1970's. There are many structures younger than Kinnick that are national historic landmarks.
Will this obvious fact fly over Dicks head? Sure it will.
UCONN delivers new audiance for the ACC in NYC and South Florida gives the conference more proximity for Miami and FSU.
Boise and BYU both deliver markets and have better football than many of the schools I left out. Again their proximity to other existing schools is also attractive.
In my scenario each remaining P5 gets a premier player or market that would keep them viable going forward.
So what you are saying the BTN model is wrong, and the old models of market area is correct. UCONN is not bringing in NY anymore than Rutgers does. The BTN model is successful, it works well, you charge homes in your non state schools 10 cents, and states that have a conference team, you charge them a dollar. The great thing about this system, is everyone pays, does not matter if they watch or not. It not about selling ads, like the old model, is added to the basic cable or satellite, everyone pays. But keep thinking the old model, its worked so well for you in the past.
Then you throw in the idea of proximity to other schools, now where did that come into play. The thinking of Jeff, I have lost the augment, so I thow out, you now have to be close to other schools. So the ACC will not just double down but add a third school in Florida, because it close to other schools. If proximity is important than ISU is a shoe in for the Big 10, driving distance to Iowa City, Lincoln, Minnesota, Northwestern and Wisconsin. But Maryland is really close to any other big 10 schools. Why because Jeff said so, and he is an Iowa fan.
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Again you compare Iowa to ISU, which you have repeated said, no Iowa fan does, but you continue to do it. I asked a simple question, why do they start every game with " welcome to historic Kinnick stadium" no one wants to say why. So being old, makes it historic, the cubs do not start each game with "welcome to historic wrigley field, the red sox do not do it at Fenway, no other college team that plays in an older stadium does, so why does Iowa?
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Personally, I don't know why they don't refer to it as "Historic Jack Trice Field," considering the kinds of numbers opponents have historically put up in that sh*t hole. Historic futility. I mean, seriously--what other P5 team hasn't won a conference championship in over 100 years?!
Who said it was isu? There were other stadiums built in the 1970's yet clown fan leaps to Joke Trice.
No, what I am saying is that neither the ACC, Pac-12 or Texas Ten have the clout to pull off the BTN contract. They tried and failed.
The Big 10 doesn't need Story County. That is all isu brings to the table. Well that and a pathetic football program.
Keep trying Dick. You keep lobbing me softballs and I will keep jacking them out of the park.
So your were not talking about ISU in your comment? Ok, then why mention a stadium that was built in the 70's, just like Trice, but no, your talking about some other stadium. Jeff, do you really believe the crap you post or just like to hear yourself ripping ISU every chance you get?
No one said they did, you laid out who you thought would be taken in this grand conference break up. When I pointed out and asked why, you change the direction and talk about BTN contract. As usual, when you are losing, change the subject. Typical from you.
It is because the ACC and the Pac-12 can't pull off the contract the BTN has that was the basis for the schools in my proposal.
Yet once again Dick is too dense to figure that out.
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Because there were several stadiums built in the 1970's Dick, and while they are old and dumpy they are hardly historic. Chalk up another post that Dick doesn't have the mental capacity to grasp. That isu education is doing wonders for you Dick.
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When they added historic to Kinnick Stadium it was and is a marketing tool. Being built in 1929 does make it historic. Like it or not. But in all honesty you got the P.A. announcer calling it that and that's it. Weird thing for ISU fans to get upset about.
....or they could get upset about how bad their team sucks!
Naw better for little bro to throw rocks at big bro.
Your nephew is a big football fan and doesn't even know where the schools are located in his own ten team conference? I hope he doesn't know you told people that
WVU will not be left out.
They are the winningest program in FBS without a National Title. 15th all-time in wins. Top 20 merchandise sales. Over 50k per year attendance. 3 BCS wins in 3 different BCS bowls in the last 10 years. Final Four appearance and a couple other deep runs in the tournament the last 10-12 years in basketball.
Yes, a small population state(but unlike ISU the only P5 school in that state) and poor academics are the downside but they beat all of the other 'bubble teams' in almost every other category.
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