Now you are lying, one of the articles that has been linked(the one you whose methodology you haven't attacked) claimed it was almost 3-1 and you claimed that wasn't true.
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Now you are lying, one of the articles that has been linked(the one you whose methodology you haven't attacked) claimed it was almost 3-1 and you claimed that wasn't true.
So you are saying the better ranking of urban areas over rural areas is because the teachers expect proper grammar and spelling in the non language areas? How, now your are really pulling stuff out of your rear. Could I ask for some data on that, should be easy to find, urban areas score better because of their increase insistence of correct grammar and spelling.
I agree, it could be 3/1 even 5/1, not 20/1. The 20/1 was not a figure provided by me, I am the one calling it BS.
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I have never said the fan numbers are equal, so stop saying I have. You said the ratio was 20/1 Iowa fans to ISU. Again, 3/1 maybe even 5/1, but not anywhere near the 20/1 you stated. Iowa has more fans than ISU, everyone know that.
What asinine thought. Since the KSU AD is a member of the Big 12 meetings and participates in the decisions, he would have some idea the direction the Big 12 is headed. I'm sure he knows what a power conference consists of since KSU is a member of one. Maybe u should take a cruise and think about making statements that make some sense.
Yes when Iowa fans back it up isu grad says it doesn't count. When isu grad is asked to back up their crap they respond by saying they saw more isu license plates at an I-Cubs game.
That sounds about right
And I would make a mess in my drawers of the Big Ten adds ND and either Texas or Oklahoma
Not at all. I think Iowa fans are more frightened the Big 12 won't die than ISU fans are frightened it will happen
The Texas Ten won't die. I will just not be a power 5 as it is today.
I can't believe this argument is still happening.... That said, I agree with you CyCity. I'm relatively unconcerned, does WVU, ISU, KU, KSU, TTU, TCU, Bsylor, OSU want to leave the conference? No. Does Texas want to give up money to go elsewhere? No. Then we speculate OU, which has sounded pretty positive on the future of the Big 12.
Can't speak for Council Bluffs but I am going to assume there is a heavy saturation of Big Red there. Sioux City is a split between Iowa and Nebraska. ISU is not very relevant up here. You'll see a little ISU gear sprinkled in here or there but not much. The college swag section at Scheel's tells the story. Half Iowa, half Nebraska with ISU, UNI, USD, Morningside, & Briar Cliff sharing a section. Probably as much Notre Dame & Oregon stuff there as ISU.
Growing up I didn't know a single ISU fan and I didn't really realize the schools were rivals as that was during the stretch when Hayden owned ISU. I thought the Clones were a tune up game on the level of a directional school or Pacific University.
What you said was also true of SE Iowa, I moved here in 1990, I swore I was the only Cyclone fan around, but that has changed greatly over the past 15 years or so. Before, the only shirts I saw were Iowa T shirts, now I see almost as many cyclone shirts as Hawkeye ones. The older people wearing the Iowa gear, the teens and twenties crowd, a lot of Cyclone gear. Working in Wapello and Van Buren counties I see the same change at work. More Iowa fans, but not nearly what it was when I started. I was speaking to a parent of a student that graduated this year from Davis Co, where I live, and they said that DC has had more students going off to ISU instead of Iowa for college, the last 10 years or so. The schools I have worked at, its 50/50. ISU has closed the fandom gap a lot the last 10 to 15 years, in this part of the state.
I don't think that the ratio of students attending Iowa vs. ISU will have changed much in that area in the past 20-30 years. When I lived in that area a long time ago 20-25 years there were more students attending ISU than Iowa. The fun part was listening to a significant amount of them talk about being Iowa fans while attending ISU, it came down to the degree they were looking for. Since you live in that area it shouldn't be a surprise in that area of the state.
Yes, that is one of the most telling aspects... you do not and cannot even rely upon social media. What you do is throw as much as you can against the wall and hope that just a little bit of it sticks. Sorry, but that is not going to work.
There are resources available to you right here on the interwebz that refute the isu head football coach being only the 9th or 10th highest. I'm going to let you search and find those unless you are afraid of the truth. One such source, listing base salary only indicates that Paul Rhoads just may have been the numero uno highest paid in the big xii for the 2015 season. May be is operative because both Baylor and TCU, as private institutions were not included in the data. Do you think that Paul Rhoads deserved being paid more in base salary than all of the other seven coaches from public programs in the big xii?
When Gene Chizik was hired from a co-defensive coordinator position to become the head coach at isu, he immediately became the highest paid first-year hire in the State of Iowa. Do you think it was justified or necessary to pay that kind of money for someone with zero head coaching experience? Gene is in Ames for a very short while and your AD lures in another coordinator (read: no head coaching experience) at even more money than was paid to Chizik. Now, third time through the cycle and Campbell is making even more than Rhoads. Schools will/must pay what the market allows. Negotiating a contract that is balanced with less guaranteed base salary and more incentives to produce and perform makes perfect sense for an institution like isu. Instead, the deal is loaded with huge (for the position/program) base dollars (that are guaranteed) AND inducements that pay more than Campbell made as a base salary in 2015 for winning only six games!
isu is not ever going to be mistaken for a SEC type program so your lame attempt at comparisons there is moot. The fact is that isu is one of the worst programs in all of the Power 5 divisions and the pay scale/grade should closer reflect that than what it does. It has already been said that if Campbell brings any sustained success to isu, he will be gone. If he does not, at least he knows that he will leave a much more wealthy person than when he arrived.
According to USA Today data base, Rhodes was the 48th highest paid coach in the country last year at 2.2 million., he was at the bottom of the conference. As for Chizik you like to make a huge deal out this, He was the head coach at a P5 school, does not matter whether it was his first job, ISU paid below the going rate for a head football coach at a P 5 school. saying what ISU can or should pay, its up to them, not you. same with the Campbell bonus situation, ISU will be paying less this year for the current staff than what they paid last year according to the Ames newspaper, that would not included the buying out of Rhodes contract. Hell, I can make the case that you have to over pay a coach to take the position at ISU. ISU is in the black, they can afford to pay 2 maybe 3 million for a head coach. As for the if he has success he will leave, maybe, but he has to have the success first. Maybe he will be like Fry, and decide I like it in Ames, making good money, and I stay. The only point you made that was true, was that Campbell will leave a wealthier person than he arrived. Iowa has made KF rich beyond his wildest dreams, for many years, his contract was considered by many to be one of the worse, if not the worst in all of college football. Now, with the rise in coaches salaries it all most looks like a good deal at 14th in the country. Let me ask you something 5, did you go over to the Michigan board and complain and show them facts about how they are over paying their new football coach, mentioned the scale at which he should have been paid?
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Again Iowa has gotten what it has paid for. What did isu spend for their 8 wins the last three years? More or less than Iowa paid last year for 12?
Who wants to bet isu grad will not answer and just ignore as they always do?
Funny but the Iowa Twitter athletic site has about 173k followers and the ISU about 75k. I would say there are a bunch more young Iowa fans and followers than people think. I am not a Facebook guy so I can't speak to that. There are also about 75k Iowa followers on the university site. A bunch of duplication for sure but 173k for the athletic site is pretty healthy for Twitter.
I see that your reading comprehension rivals your ability to utilize grammar/spelling/syntax/etc. Not surprised.
Base salary, Paul Rhoads was at or very near the top of the heap of the seven public schools. The article/report was issued sometime around October, 2015. Go find it and get answers instead of meandering along trying to tilt at all of the windmills you imagine to exist.
When Gene, Gene the run away machine was hired late in 2006, isu was still receiving funds from the State of Iowa (tax dollars) to fund the athletic department. That should be clue number one on what specifically isu could afford to pay a head coach. A certain coach in Iowa City was hired not all that long before Chizik came to Ames and even you will be able to discern what he was paid in comparison when first hired. You are to be excused if you truly are an educator as most in that profession have little to zero concept of being paid what you actually are worth. Good teacher, terrible teacher (I'll let you decide where you think you fall on the spectrum) pay is all the same.
Gene runs from Ames as fast as the plane will take him and in comes equally inexperienced Paul Rhoads. But, it is not even enough to pay him the exorbitant amount of money Chizik was scheduled to make, let's pay him even more! (Remember that isu was still on the dole receiving millions from state coffers.) Now it is Matt Campbell and the pay has increased substantially for a third time in less than ten years.
isu cannot afford to pay anything close to $3 million for that position. This is the current administrations third try to get it somewhere closer to right. It is highly unlikely he will be given the opportunity to make it four. If the new hire at isu was being paid anything remotely resembling this $3 mil you are tossing around, the BOR as well as some of the 'big daddies' at isu would be screaming from the top of their collective lungs.
Kirk Ferentz has more than earned his keep while heading up the Iowa football program. There is simply no comparison between the two programs from that standpoint. As for the rest of your rant, I invite you to tell me/us which of those teams/programs in any way of history, tradition, success, potential resembles isu. When you figure out that none do, then you will have your answer as to why isu is so derelict in some of its decisions.
5 how do you know what ISU can and not afford to pay a head football coach? As for Pollard naming a fourth coach, again, you do not know that. Its your opinion, nothing more. Is ISU making money off their sports program today, yes, they are. The school will make 33 million from TV this past year, they also set a records in attendance for football, and were at 99% for basketball. As for KF earning his keep, I guess all the Iowa fans and talking heads were wrong on these past years, saying he was over paid. You rant on that a little while there 5. Where did Rhodes rank in total salary? Bonus are part of the salary if earned. freerents got what $500.000 this past year in bonuses. For winning half of conference, losing in the championship game and getting hammered in the Rose Bowl. So he made what 4.4 million this past year? You have yet to answer my question on what the next Iowa coach will make? Since you know how much ISU can afford to spend, and what the BOR will allow ISU to spend on a coach, how much will Iowa pay their next coach? Guess what, I'll bet its more than freerents made per year on his first contract.
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Called it again. I win. isu grad refuses to tell us what isu paid for its whopping 8 wins the past 3 years.
Got it. It is A OK for su to suck as long as they don't pay much for it.
Brilliant strategy isu keep it up. isu grads will support you all the way.
If they got their information from myspace and tweeter they are not, when they get the information provided by the school they are. Look I never said your sources were bad, they were not, just the method they used to collect the data. But you know that. Look, you found some information that you thought proved what you wanted to prove, but did not look how they came up with it. It was an honest mistake, I have made plenty of mistakes, but I do not double down on them, and try to change the topic.
So IF we believe tweeter, the ration would be around 2.5/1 Iowa to ISU fans, that is the range I would suspect it to be, but not anywhere near 20/1.
Pretty certain you are not acknowledging the sources that didn't use 'tweeter' or my space or Facebook. It doesn't fit your narrative so I get that. I haven't doubled down on anything yet. FYI I am still waiting on you to post my quote about the 20/1 ratio. I am a patient person, fully aware that you won't and can't find it. Continue to change the subject and only focus on the 'tweeter' my space combo.
Should I go with the Herky/100/Kilroy route. 'How can you trust information that was guilty of academic fraud like ISU?' If that is who USA Today trusts then it must be a bad study.
Cid, I am not the one that has to provide the link to the 20/1 ratio, its you, and you know that. If you want to go with academic fraud, ok, I give you the current title 9 investigation by the government going on at Iowa. Here is the deal, to me, neither school is better than the other. Neither one has the high moral ground to stand on, both have done things they should be ashamed of, but both do a great job in their academic disciplines.
The obvious escape you, SC? Wow, how surprising is that? [/SARCASM]
Everyone and anyone with even half a brain could surmise that if a school such as isu was still in need of State of Iowa general fund dollars (tax money) to operate its athletic department, then it probably had no business going out and offering unprecedented sums for first-year employees with little to no prior experience. That was the case for both Gene Chizik and Paul Rhoads.
The only reason isu is 'making money' is because they are affiliated with the big xii conference. It is as simple/complex as that. Do not pretend to even suggest that isu is or would make this type of revenue on their own or as a part of a non-Power 5 conference. It would not be happening.
Quantify those record attendance numbers for football so we can really take an in depth look at them. Be sure to include all of the sold out games against big xii opponents over the years.
Total salary is one snap shot of the portfolio of vistas of coaching compensation. What is known is that Rhoads has a contract that called for a guaranteed $1.8 million back in 2014. Total contract guarantee at that time was $21.1 million for the 10 years of service to be provided running through December 31, 2021. That is critically important to understand because it ties directly into Rhoads receiving nearly $5 million (if it is to be guessed at, then I will round to the appropriate million at least) to no longer coach in Ames. That means that isu is paying through the proverbial nose for football coaches - departed and new for the 2015/16 year.
When has isu won even half a conference? When has isu ever played in a bowl game as prestigious as the Rose Bowl or the Orange Bowl? Were there deductions from Rhoads salary for losing the bowls to Rutgers and Tulsa?
Your statement about salaries always increasing is ludicrous. Did Kansas pay David Beaty as much or, because you say so, more that Charlie Weiss? Let me help you with that one - no, and it was not even close. There are other examples, but I felt that one so close to home (KU - big8/big xii) might resonate with you.
What Iowa or anyone else determines to pay will be based upon a number of factors and negotiated at the appropriate time. From all appearances, in Ames that means pay the new coach more regardless of experience and make incentives that reward doing less and pay more! Someone should write a book of these strategies. Rhoads could make $200K extra for winning 7 or more games. Campbell only need win 6 and he receives $500K which is slightly more than his entire annual base salary from Toledo.
Hey, enjoy seeing you fall back into the abyss of name calling. For someone that holds himself in such high esteem, you sure roll in the mud a whole lot. Guess someone must have sullied your goat or whatever it was you stated before.
Its a communication method found mainly in the back woods of southern Iowa. Down where it is not all that unusual to see brothers and sisters dating one another.
Please at least be honest, you claimed that I had made the 20/1 statement. I asked you to provide me the quote where I made that claim. You have failed to do so and now you are changing it. Typical for you but dishonest.
As far as the title 9 issue and the academic fraud case there is a small difference, one has been proven, one is being investigated. I would say the difference is obvious but with you who knows
If it wasn't you then I am sorry, but the point was made here at a 20/1 ratio, if not you again sorry, but the point was made, and is wrong. I would guess the academic fraud case of one ISU professor is going to be a lot smaller than the case with Title 9 currently being looked at by the government. The academic fraud case while embarrassing, did not effect the university, the title 9 case against Iowa, if found to be true, could have wide ranging effects, that the athletic department could feel for years.
What name calling, I am just calling you out, I do not have to calling you names. You post, that the BOR would not allow ISU to pay just an insane salary, how do you know that? You don't. You keep claiming that ISU has paid more in salary than any other first year coach in the history of the state, which is true, until Iowa hires their next coach in the next five years or so. To compete and hire coaches today, costs more money than ever before, that is the way it works. But you know that, its just something you can bitch about ISU. You do not care what ISU pays its coach, their bonus, you just want to bitch. I get it, ISU has a terrible football history, I know that, but you always have to through it out there, well I will return the favor. Iowa paid a coach 4.4 million, 3.9 salary and .5 million bonus, and he has a losing record to the same bottom feeder program. That is with an athletic budget that is 30 million more than ISU, and a larger fan base. But the man still has a losing record to ISU. Your basketball coach is 1-5 verses the same school. But all is right in Hawkeye land, because 5 says so.
By the way I did a bit more digging on Twitter as there are secondary sites set up that point to Iowa and ISU athletics. Iowans numbers are quite large in terms of Twitter locations and followers. I stopped counting around 450k. ISU not so much. From what I could see about 30k.
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