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Go back to the post where I quoted your original post, the bolded items are in there.
I really hope GD doesn't mean what I think it does because that is rude if that is the case. I haven't insulted your lack of intelligence in this endeavor so please don't revert to using those items or continuing to call people names.
That being said, you really are bad at this process. You have introduced zero facts that support your premise. That is zero as in none. You have attacked the methodology of two of the links provided, not all of the links provided, just two. You continue to bang your drum on those two things. You have provided nothing to this discussion other than poor spelling, repetitive mentions of the same two links without addressing the other links provided and have shown no skills whatsoever to demonstrate that you have any ability to debate in a normal manner. In this debate you should be looking for information that supports your premise, your only approach is to question two links provided.
I can only hope that this is some type of summer exercise that will lead to a thesis of 'how I spent my summer trolling people while introducing nothing of substance or providing any support of my opinion' if that is the case, hats off to you.
If that isn't the case, well you may have some functional debate skills that may need enhanced. Contact Emory University to get their methods on this subject. Do some homework while on a break from working for the summer.
Heard KSU's AD say they're going to divide the Big 12 into division. He was asked when all the TV contracts run out if he thought college football would got to 4 power conferences. He said he couldn't see that far ahead. He also said that he wouldn't rule out expansion yet.
If ISU gets into a division with KSU, KU, OU, and OSU they probably still be fighting with KU to stay out of last place.
If ISU gets into a division with KSU, KU, OU, and OSU they probably still be fighting with KU to stay out of last place.
Regarding Big 12 expansion. I believe Notre Dame is going to join the BIG soon and I think either Texas or Oklahoma will be invited as well. I think that will be the nail in the coffin of the BIG 12. I think a few of the remaining schools find another conference they will be happy with and a few will end up unhappy. I think ISU will be forced to play football in a non P5 conference resulting in significant revenue loss. I predict their fans grow greener with envy and start crying for the legislature or BOR to rob the U of I's football revenues to prop up and help pay for ISU to make up the difference. I predict the Legislature or BOR (or whoever is responsible) realizes that having ISU leech off of Iowa is not a good practice and they decide not to force Iowa to provide welfare for ISU. I predict eventually the BIG will force another in conference game in the schedule and the Iowa vs ISU series will either be ended or played every 2-3 years or so. In Iowa City every time they play due to BIG TV revenue. I predict ISU begins to have trouble filling their new bleachers and are forced to lower the price of hotdogs in the SUKUP endzone by 1 dollar. I predict that ISU wins their new conference title the first few years and then recruiting starts to fall to mid major level and they start to finish middle of the pack each year. I predict the whole time ISU is playing in their conference they will bitch and moan about how if they were in the BIG they would win the conference every year. I also predict that that ISU fans will insist that they are relevant and would beat Iowa every year if they still played each other. I predict the BIG with Notre dame and Texas/OK the level of competition improves and the BIG and SEC rotate national champions ever other year. I also predict that the level of recruiting will pick up across the conference and every 5-6 years Iowa plays for the conference title. I predict on those years Iowa plays for the conference title the crybaby clown fans gripe about how easy it is for iowa with a crappy schedule. Cyclone fans will be green with envy and hanker "the good old days" when they played big boy football despite 3 win seasons. The good old days where they made coins with the coaches head on it. The good old days when principle park had 8 cyclone license plates to 7 hawkeye license plates. The good old days when a cyclone fan felt warm fuzzys at the fact the the north side of Des Moines had more cyclones by 1% despite realizing the north side was only part of polk county. The good old days when if a hawk fan started to talk about cyclone football the cyclone fan would immediately change the subject to how crappy the BIG west is.
I then predict all will be well in life. Clown fans will eventually accept their place in the world. And the only challenge in life would be when they are at walmart and see a cyclone license plate that says HWKFN2.
My last prediction will be that southerniowacy will be unable to avoid commenting on this rather long post.
I then predict all will be well in life. Clown fans will eventually accept their place in the world. And the only challenge in life would be when they are at walmart and see a cyclone license plate that says HWKFN2.
My last prediction will be that southerniowacy will be unable to avoid commenting on this rather long post.
At the pool yesterday. 4 people with assorted Hawkeye gear. No clone gear. It's a route.
At walmart yesterday and saw a cyclone license plate that said "HWKFN2" Huge dilemma.
KSU's AD has nor more understanding regarding Power conferences than you do. Its like asking a passenger on the titanic if there will be fewer cruise lines in the future.
Doubtful, IMO.
Too many yearly local 5.6 rated commits to keep up long term with the top recruiting teams in the B1G...I think the lack of national recruiting will be what keeps Iowa from taking that next step into the elite of the conference, year in and year out.
You'll see the B1G grow stronger over the next 5-10 years, for sure...but can Iowa grab some of those perimeter playmakers & skill position players of the Southeast & West Coast to compliment the Midwest corn fed linemen they sign?
I think KF's lack of national recruiting says "No".
Lettuce be honest with ourselves, though...Iowa has exactly ONE outright Big Ten football championship since Color TV was made available to the masses in the late 1950s.
Let's not put too much pressure on the program.
So you are the grammar police, ok, know tell me what is wrong with what I said, forgetting the grammar and spelling.
You provided three links I believe, two which said they collected their data from hits on facebook, myspace and tweets. The third one from Emery U, they came up with a system involving tickets sold, attendance and a few other facts, but no details of what those things were. I stand by what I stated before. If you have real evidence then post it or shut up about it.
See quite a few hawkeye jerks here, but I am sure the whole fan base is not like that. Know many reasonable and respectful hawk fans, but not here.
The tavern hawks wet dream, also watch for cid and the grammar police. What is the ISU fans place in the world? Who gets to decide that, Iowa fans? Do you really think ND and Texas, when they are making more money now than any school in the big 10 is going to give up that, to make less money and join. People here are really crazy sometimes.
Wednesday morning, eight pounds, eight oz, she has all 10 fingers and toes, both her and mom doing well and got out of the hospital last night. Thanks for asking.
As an educator I would think grammar and spelling would be important. I would like to think you would choose to represent your profession better than that. But to each their own. Errors 'loss to ISU all the time' factually inaccurate.
20 years of losing. Think ISU has had some winning mixed in during those years. Quit running your team down unnecessarily.
You continue to complain about the methodology from multiple sources including award winning publications and institutes of higher learning and presented
nothing
Well except your unsubstantiated opinion.
Or as you would put it 'accept you're unsunstalized opinion.'
No grammar is not really that important in my area. In English, foreign language, it would be, but not in mine. I tell the kids every year, I do not check you work for spelling and grammar, just content. Please do not complain about mine.
The Register has won many awards, that does not mean everything they print is 100% correct and accurate. Your whole argument here is it was in the NY Times or US Today, so it must be the Gods Truth, what was sited was fan polls, nothing more, nothing less. A popularity contest to get people to vote for their favorite team. It did not say you could only vote once, it stated you could vote as many times as you wanted or cared too. How is that anyway close to being accurate?
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Thanks again, number three grandchild. After spending Thursday with her older sister, I realized that I am getting too old to care for a child 24/7. A two year old, wore me out. Made we wonder, how my wife and I did it ourselves, 30 years ago.
Congratulations on the grandbaby. You continue to look at 2 of the links, failing to look at or acknowledge the other data driven links. That is your method and you are consistent with it. I will take almost any measurement over your poll of one.
In my opinion you are doing your students a tremendous disservice to your students if you don't expect them to use proper spelling or grammar. I feel fortunate that my children didn't have teachers with that approach
Nice backhanded complement there but whatever. Nice to hear your opinion on how I do my job, always willing to listen to the general public. Let me ask you, if you have high school students, how do you know that their teachers are taking the approach that you say they are? In elementary they do, at the secondary level, most do not. Just the way it is. I would say my approach is fairly typical of non language educators, content is the most important thing.
I predicted correctly you couldn't resist. And grammar doesn't count when typing with thumbs on a phone. I was told by a clown fan that tavern hawks are people who didn't go to college and have no affiliation of the school but chose to be fans of said school. I always get this strange response from clowns that in order to be a fan of a school you should be an alum of said school. But alas I have had an epiphany and realize now that the clowns are just jealous that ISU hasn't attracted the non-college crowd to their fan base. So they create this air of snobbery to the hordes of people in the state of Iowa who chose not to go to college but chose to become hawk fans. My neighborhood has several Hawk fans. Only two of us households are actual graduates (I also worked for UIHC for 21 years). I for one am very happy to have thousands of "tavern hawks"! They buy the team gear, they by the product, they support Iowa financially, they buy tickets and hell they even occasionally buy Hawkeye license plates.
Which is why your stupid argument earlier regarding "more kids go to ISU than Iowa" means very little for fan base. To have this faux snobby attitude is just foolish
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Sorry I've already had my fill of Baghdad Bob during the gulf war. Jamie Pollard is a squeaky voiced whiner. Not gonna listen to somebody who isn't completely and totally biased.
To be fair, please post the data on the 20/1 ratio. I have noticed no one has commented on my response to the loyalty of the Iowa fan base. Now why is that I wonder? Maybe because I hit a nerve that most Iowa fans do not want to talk about? Its not ok for me to use the term freerrents when referring to your present coach, but its ok for Hawk fans to call ISU fans clowns? According to your ratio, of 20/1, Iowa fills a stadium with 70,000 people, if 65,000 are Hawk fans then Iowa has 13,000,000 fans in the state, and across the country. In a state with 2.9 million people, what a fan base the Hawks have. That is kind of hard to believe, so lets do it a different way to try and get to your ratio of 20/1. Iowa drew 70,000 per game, say 5,000 was from the other team, leaving us 65,000 iowa fans per game, ISU drew 55,000 per game, same 5,000 from the other team, so ISU had 50,000 Cyclone fans there per game. Difference of 15,000, multiply those fans by your 20/1 ratio, we get 3,000,000 fans that call themselves Hawk fans, not counting the 50,000 that attended the game.. Again this if from a state with only 2.9 million people. Ya, I guess, I can believe your figures. Just be sarcastic there, please try again.
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You always ask "please post the data" "or please post a link" etc. Then you follow up by spewing a bunch of nonsense and numbers that you cook up in your head with out supporting data. For the sake of the conversation we will call non grad ISU fans "Tavern Clowns"
Tavern Hawks outnumber Tavern Clowns 20/1. For every tavern clown there is 20 tavern hawks.
Iowa fills a stadium with 70,000 people? WTF? Do you have some sort of keyboarding tourette thing going on here? 65,000 are hawk fans? 13,000,000? Are you OK?
Let me repeat the 20/1 ratio thing here. For every "tavern clown" there is 20 "tavern hawks".
On a side note. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to complain about the clown label when in your previous post you said, "every tavern hawks wet dream"?
I'll answer the question for you. Of course you don't see it hypocritical. After all you spew garbage numbers out without supporting data and think it is OK only to get all butt hurt about data your don't like and demand supporting links and data. You are an interesting person, teacher.
Here is what you said,". The non grad Iowa Fan base outweighs the non-Grad ISU fan base 20:1" Since the graduation numbers are roughly equal, then I have to call BS on your facts. I ask for your data, because when I posted an item without it, I was attacked by the Hawk fans on here. Please show me were you got the ratio of 20/1. As for the tavern hawk quote, when its acceptable to call ISU fans CLOWNS, and they live in LAMES, and go to JOKE TRICE, then I thought Tavern Hawk would also be acceptable.
Not really interested in listening but do they mention the water or the lisence plate production schedule for the balance of 2016?
Joke Trice I like that one, thanks! What the hell does graduation numbers have to do with people who never went to college? Have you ever lived East of Des Moines? The Hawkeye Fan saturation is quite heavy. There an tens of thousands of Iowa Fans living in the eastern Half of the State that didn't go to Iowa. AKA Tavern Hawks. I hate to bring this up again but you are delusional if you think Iowa Has only 5% more fans than ISU does in this state. The farther East you go the far less cyclone fans you see. Draw a line from Marshalltown Iowa north to south it the overall fan ratio rapidly widens as you travel east. The working class towns of marshaltown (30 miles from Ames BTW) mason city, ottummwa (yes all yucky towns) are heavily hawkeye and chock full of tavern Hawks.
The reality staring you in the face is the ratio of Iowa fans vs ISU fans is extremely wide in the part of the state that houses a vast majority of the human beings. Polk county is 60/40 Iowa but you say its even stevens ok fine the only population base near the western half of the state is spilt. Council Bluffs and Sioux City are probably statistically insignificant. Take the Cedar Rapids area for example, the pupulatoin of Marion, Hiawath, and CR is around 255,000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Rapids,_Iowa) Iowa City are is 161,000 people, Davenport (minus Moline,east mollinr and Rock island) is 375,000, Dubuque is 58,000, Waterloo cedar falls population is 168,000, Clinton Populaiton is 26,000, Burlington/Fort Madison population is 36,000. Just those cities alone are over a million people. Of course not all of them are iowa fans but it is quite possible that these cities alone added together have more Iowa Fans (including tavern hawks) in them than there are people in entire swaths of western Iowa. And BTW I LOVE western Iowa.
I am amazed at how ignorant some clown fans are of Eastern Iowa. Its like they think its a open lot of hog confinements and tiny towns spaced far apart, but that would be western Iowa.
Using attendance as the only measure of fans is pretty disingenuous. Many of Iowa's students are from out-of-state (at least in comparison to ISU), and end up working out-of-state as well. On the other hand, the vast majority of ISU students are in-state, and the majority stay in Iowa to work after graduation. When the majority of your alumni base remains in the state after graduation, it is much easier to find fans to fill your (smaller) stadium.
Several publications have commented about Hawkeye fan loyalty, announcers on National games(I realize as an ISU fan you don't really understand what a legitimate national game is) have mentioned, universities who do studies that don't include Facebook, tweets etc as a measurement have praised the loyalty of the fans, heck Iowa has jumped bowl slots because of fan loyalty. Thanks for bringing the subject up to further discredit your opinion.
As far as teachers expecting proper grammar and spelling in non language based classes, where they attend school and in the area it is expected. It might help explain the academic rankings in the city. But those rankings are probably biased and inaccurate in your opinion. I am sure you will follow this up with nothing of substance per your usual course of action. Debate away.
I think you are incorrect in thinking that the majority of Fans in Kinnick are actually graduates of Iowa. It has already been established here that there is far more Iowa Fans in Iowa than ISU fans. Kinnick's attendance drop hasn't been because graduates leave the state its because the product on the field grew stale and fans quit buying tickets.
I never said that the majority of fans attending Iowa games are alumni. However, it stands to reason that if a higher proportion of graduates stayed in the area, the attendance would not have dipped as much. My response is directed more towards southerncy's assertion that because the attendance figures between the two schools are similar, the number of fans is similar, too. It is a bit of a false equivalency.
Very strange....this thread continues to show up when I access the site on my iphone, but on me computer it diesn't exist.....and I'm using Chrome with both, not a mobile app.
Some wacko dudes in the thread, BTW
Some wacko dudes in the thread, BTW
Look if you had said 3/1 maybe 5/1 iowa fans, I would agree, but no, you said 20/1 was the ratio. Iowa has a larger fan base, double maybe even triple to ISU, but not anywhere near 20/1. I do not know about eastern Iowa? I live and work in eastern Iowa, keep calling someone that disputes your ignorant. Still waiting for the data to prove your 20/1 ratio, either back it up or shut up and admit you are wrong.
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