I don't see any reason why the B12 and ISU would have higher third tier income than Iowa and the B1G. Maybe the B12 has more product in their third tier, but that would be offset by the greater popularity and markets of the B1G.
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Ignoring the truth is the core competency for isu grads. Anything and everything that is contrary to what they dream up or what Pollard feeds them is automatically ignored and then they usually run away and hide like little girls.
It shows once again that clowns are to be laughed and not take seriously. LC is just one of many.
You act like that is a bad thing. ISU had holes to fill immediately and fix that by going the JUCO route.
Not to get all sanctimonious about things, but it's pretty obvious kids end up in JUCO because, well, they are not exactly academic high achievers. JUCOs are the short cuts taken by programs desperate to fill holes and, frankly, uncaring or indifferent about the real purpose of higher education, which has nothing to do with squeaking by in the classroom so you can do what's really important, football. Iowa is better than most in this regard, having usually declined to go that route. Had the Hawkeyes been as desperate as ISU, I'm pretty sure they would be equally tempted. But let's not kid ourselves about the widening gap between academic integrity and for-profit athletic enterprise. College athletics is a lot of fun if you can just turn your eyes from the real implications for too many kids who forsake meaningful study for devotion to weight rooms and skills development that ultimately, in most cases, means very little.
I thought Van Ginkel was a fine student but I guess he doesn't take it seriously. I'm surprised Iowa offered him
I just assumed Kirk was better than taken short cuts last year. I didn't realize he was desperate to fill holes and, frankly, uncaring or indifferent about the real purpose of higher education.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/172842
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/996
LOL!! Kirk offering one JUCO player is not comparable to ISU building their entire basketball program around JUCOs, and a fairly large chunk of their football program.
Nah... wait for it. Won't be long until the self-proclaimed expert will be declaring it 'not debatable'!
(Similar to Memphis compared to isu football.)
Kirk didn't take any shortcuts. KF never has and never will resort to shortcuts. Then again KF has results isu and isu grads can only dream about.
Feel free to tell us how it really is though isu grad.
If you offer a JUCO you don't care about the real purpose of higher education. I don't see how the number of how many you offer makes a difference, you either care about the purpose of higher education or you go the JUCO route
Not when you have an instance of a kid going the JC route simply to enable an FBS opportunity.Big difference.
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What about Mark Thompson who Iowa offered? And let's be clear Kinnick4Ever said it's obvious kids go JUCO because they are not academic achievers and the coaches that recruit those kids are taken short cuts and don't care about the real purpose of higher education. There was no mention of other reasons why someone would go to a JUCO
Yet with Van Ginkle which is where you started your rant the case was clear, he went the JC route for reasons other than academic. Also still waiting for isu grad to explain to us how KF takes short cuts. Or must we just add this to the list of things that isu grads simply want to ignore?
I will keep asking.
I was joking. To say you only go to a JUCO because you're not a academic achiever or only recruit JUCO players because you don't care about academics is silly.
Basically you're saying at times Iowa goes after talented players even though they are underachievers in the classroom and when they do this they don't care about the higher purpose of education. They're just as guilty of doing it but they don't do it as often as some other schools?
Basically isu grad still can't tell us how KF does things wrong yet he has still delivered results isu can only dream of.
I will keep asking.
I will say this, I couldn't care less about the academic standing of the athletes who play for ISU in any sport. I also don't care if they recruit native Iowans because the state doesn't have much P5 talent. All I care is that they win and if they do it within the rules, all the better. Coach Rhoads wasn't fired because of his team's academics and I've never seen a banner hung anywhere for Academic All-Americans. A coach with a 4.0 team GPA gets fired just as quickly as a coach with a 1.5 team GPA if they don't win.
It also underscores how difficult that job is. You can put lipstick on it but it requires cutting every corner and working every gray area possible to have any measure of success.
Agreed, they wouldn't have 3 bowl wins in 100 years if it was easy. They've also won 8 or more games in a season once...... Ever. There's very little off limits at this point.
You guys (the obsessive isu fans here on HR) are really going to have to prepare better. One day we are told how great isu is because it better reflects the 'values' of Iowa then we read how native Iowans are not significant (which is totally inaccurate). Academic progress at one time was supposedly a priority now it is just let them slide by on the narrowest of margins as long as they can ball. You almost need a scorecard just to keep up on the quickly changing viewpoints.
It is not surprising at all for you to want to now discount high academic achieving athletes. When and how frequently do you ever hear about such from isu? It should bother you because it reflects very directly and long term upon your favored institution. The BOR should worry a whole lot less on where the student population calls home and much more about how certain schools are devising ways to stay just inside the rules.
Paul Rhoads was fired because he was in a no-win situation, both literally and figuratively. He worked in an administration that has proved several times over an inability to hire and direct coaches to succeed. When the 'I'm so proud....' became the only thing left, there was no place else to go but down and eventually out. It can be argued that there is not another major college athletic program that has accomplished less under its current leadership.
You keep thinking that winning a few basketball games is all that really matters. The rest of the world of college athletics already knows that is not the case and continues to move forward.
And the elephant sitting in the corner still begs to know why? Why is it so difficult to find any real and sustained success in Ames, Iowa when there is evidence of it happening at nearly any other Power 5 program that can be named?
Sooner or later, you need to pull your head out of the sand.
Yes, and that coach was fired so that isu could move on to the 'next level'. Ten years hence and here they are.
Actually, it's NOT true. It would be accurate if it said ISU had only won MORE than 8 games once. They have had at least four 8 win seasons and one 9 win season since 1971.
Yeah... hey, may bad entirely for forgetting just how mediocre isu truly was/is. Reverse the situation and we would be hearing all about how dismal that record is from all of the obsessed peanut gallery.
Why does Lonely Clown have thousands of posts on a Hawkeye site?
Should we start a GoFundMe to get him some help?
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Of course, now all we here is crickets; Lonely Clown has conveniently disappeared after being made a fool once again
He has probably put you on ignore. He does that with everyone who makes a fool of him. Welcome to the club of many.
Yeah, i noticed he would not reply to anything that contradicted him. And now he is not replying to anyone since basically everything he posted in this thread has been contradicted.
He is a waste of space (literally) on this board. If I were a mod, he would be long gone. Lonely Clown needs to take his rubbish to a Clown site and stay where he might be wanted.
They wouldn't. The question is not whether one school or conference has more than the other. The question involves how they are marketed.
That wasn't the original premise. Some guy was on here indicating that the revenue was essentially even, he was proven wrong.
I'm being a realist, if someone told me ISU could have 6-7 wins every year but never win 8, I would take that in a heartbeat. The fact of the matter is most of the talent is in the south and there are more traditional power programs that are going to take the best recruits with a few exceptions made for teams with great tradition tOSU, Michigan, etc. I am a realist in understanding that in my lifetime, I'm 31, I will never see ISU win the conference championship, let alone the CFP but my family will always have season tickets because we enjoy gameday. Name me a local team: ISU, UI, IU, Minny, KSU, NU, NW, Mizzou, KU that you see winning a national championship in the next 50 years? At the pace it's going, it isn't going to happen.
and when he was proven wrong he went to the card isu grads always play. The "that wasn't what I really meant card".
Clowns gonna clown. Keep up the great work LC, isu grads across the nation are "so proud" you represent the way you do.
Northwestern University is NU. Indiana University is IU. The University of Nebraska is UN. Pretty simple really, not something you should have to go to college to figure out.
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