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CyCity said:
Agreed, back when the Big 12 had 12 teams there were seasons when ISU had much easier schedules because they got to avoid the top teams in the conference.
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Since winning conference championships and competing for a chance at a National Championship is something that is never going to happen for ISU, by your own admission, why don't you guys just go to the MAC where you can get your easier schedule in football, win 8-9 games every year, and your basketball team can dominate the conference? Maybe the Clones could have some on-field success as a G5 instead of constantly getting beat as a P5.
 
SoDakHawk said:
Since winning conference championships and competing for a chance at a National Championship is something that is never going to happen for ISU, by your own admission, why don't you guys just go to the MAC where you can get your easier schedule in football, win 8-9 games every year, and your basketball team can dominate the conference? Maybe the Clones could have some on-field success as a G5 instead of constantly getting beat as a P5.
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Does it really need to be explained why someone from a major conference wouldn't want to go to a mid major conference or is this what they call trolling?
 
You are the one who brought up the topic of conversation: if only ISU didn't have to play such darn tough teams we could win more.

I simply pointed out that ISU does have the option choosing a different conference where they would be more successful.
 
SoDakHawk said:
You are the one who brought up the topic of conversation: if only ISU didn't have to play such darn tough teams we could win more.

I simply pointed out that ISU does have the option choosing a different conference where they would be more successful.
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Maybe they can go to a different major conference like the Big Ten where the competition is easier, that way they can stay in a major conference and still win more ;)
 
CyCity said:
If you don't think there can be advantages some years in a conference schedule that is not round robin I don't know what to tell you.

Iowa State football is one of the worst programs in major college football. Adding two teams will certainly help Iowa State some years. It won't lead to conference championships but it could increase from winning 6 or 7 games in a good season to 8 or 9 which would be very good for Iowa State.

You're arguing just to argue right now, you originally asked me when Iowa State benefited from a 12 team Big 12 and I pointed out 2000 as one example.
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One or maybe two seasons out of a sample size of fifteen is hardly indication that one type of schedule is advantageous. It is akin to saying the big xii was balanced north and south even though the results (11 conference championships for the South) clearly show differently.

College football is not at all the same it was 'back in the day of the good ole big xii' in many respects. For one example, Baylor is now a 'power' as opposed to a pushover. Funny how most any other team that can be named there is an example of how that team progressed (more than just perhaps the one-off season or so). Today, football is all about excelling and competing for a spot in the playoff picture. If that is not the objective, or if that is not attainable, then it is time to reassess and to move on to allow those programs that are striving to try to be the best the opportunity to compete with like programs.

Thus far, in this single thread, we have isu fans that state winning (not academics) is all that counts. We also have the sheepish admission that isu cannot/will not compete in football. If this is not one of the most pathetic things to ever have been put forth here concerning the condition of isu athletics, then I do not know what is.
 
CyCity said:
Maybe they can go to a different major conference like the Big Ten where the competition is easier, that way they can stay in a major conference and still win more ;)
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What makes you believe that isu would be attractive to any major conference now?
 
5Fan5 said:
One or maybe two seasons out of a sample size of fifteen is hardly indication that one type of schedule is advantageous. It is akin to saying the big xii was balanced north and south even though the results (11 conference championships for the South) clearly show differently.

College football is not at all the same it was 'back in the day of the good ole big xii' in many respects. For one example, Baylor is now a 'power' as opposed to a pushover. Funny how most any other team that can be named there is an example of how that team progressed (more than just perhaps the one-off season or so). Today, football is all about excelling and competing for a spot in the playoff picture. If that is not the objective, or if that is not attainable, then it is time to reassess and to move on to allow those programs that are striving to try to be the best the opportunity to compete with like programs.

Thus far, in this single thread, we have isu fans that state winning (not academics) is all that counts. We also have the sheepish admission that isu cannot/will not compete in football. If this is not one of the most pathetic things to ever have been put forth here concerning the condition of isu athletics, then I do not know what is.
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I think Iowa State hired Matt Campbell to strive to be the best.
 
CyCity said:
I know it's a crazy thought but ISU fans weren't the ones who invented the Strength of Schedule metric
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Yet isu fans are the only ones who are duped by it year after year after year after year.

SOS is 100% based on what a team does the season before. CAN ANYONE ON THE PLANET GUARANTEE THAT ALL TEAMS THAT WERE GREAT LAST YEAR WILL BE GREAT AGIN THIS YEAR?

Or is SOS just a myth that clown fans cuddle up to so that they don't feel as pathetic as isu actually is?
 
heat_dawg said:
Worked out well for Nebraska. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work for Iowa State.
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Yes is Nebraska winning at the clip they were when they were in the Texas Ten? How about Penn State? isu would lose more in the Big 10 than they already do in the Texas Ten.

The only conference isu might be able to join and increase their yearly win totals may be the Mountain West or CUSA. Hell based on their past history the MAC is no guarantee for the clowns.

Of course do tell us how it really is isu grad. Always entertaining.
 
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CyCity said:
I think Iowa State hired Matt Campbell to strive to be the best.
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Even isu's newest savior couldn't win the MAC title or even get in the Championship game. The Texas Ten Title of course will now be a layup for Matty boy.
 
CyCity said:
I think Iowa State hired Matt Campbell to strive to be the best.
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That sounds more than just vaguely familiar.... recall the Gene Chizik hire and you might remember how the previous coach was unceremoniously let go with games remaining to be played specifically so that the AD could conduct his exhaustive search to find the right man to lead isu upward and onward. Or, there is the Paul Rhoads example. Hired at an unprecedented first year sum to once again take isu to new heights.

Either isu is going to try to win championships or they are not. So far, you have both of those bases firmly covered. Nice job by you.
 
5Fan5 said:
That sounds more than just vaguely familiar.... recall the Gene Chizik hire and you might remember how the previous coach was unceremoniously let go with games remaining to be played specifically so that the AD could conduct his exhaustive search to find the right man to lead isu upward and onward. Or, there is the Paul Rhoads example. Hired at an unprecedented first year sum to once again take isu to new heights.

Either isu is going to try to win championships or they are not. So far, you have both of those bases firmly covered. Nice job by you.
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Sounds like when Iowa hired Todd Lickliter. Or there is the Fran McCaffery example. Iowa hasn't won a conference championship since the 1970's. They haven't even made the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament since the 1990's. Either Iowa is going to win championships or they are not.
 
CyCity said:
Sounds like when Iowa hired Todd Lickliter. Or there is the Fran McCaffery example. Iowa hasn't won a conference championship since the 1970's. They haven't even made the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament since the 1990's. Either Iowa is going to win championships or they are not.
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Yet Iowa still has better succes than the clowns. Is it time to resort to the selective time frame argument? Of course it is . That is all isu grads have, selective periods of outperforming Iowa.

Get back to us when that changes.
 
CyCity said:
Sounds like when Iowa hired Todd Lickliter. Or there is the Fran McCaffery example. Iowa hasn't won a conference championship since the 1970's. They haven't even made the second weekend since the 1990's. Either Iowa is going to win championships or they are not.
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Let me pretend to be you for a moment....

Who was talking about basketball? You are just making stuff up in order to argue. I answered your claim/question/comment (never mind if it was only directed toward that portion that I want addressed instead of the entire statement/question).

How am I doing?

Now, that aside, basketball really does not matter in the context of college athletics as we now have come to see and know them. Football rules. Either you are a factor as a program or you are not. That is quite pertinent to this thread. Your comment about the new coaching hire was poorly thought out given all the other minutia you have offered up here just today alone.
 
5Fan5 said:
Let me pretend to be you for a moment....

Who was talking about basketball? You are just making stuff up in order to argue. I answered your claim/question/comment (never mind if it was only directed toward that portion that I want addressed instead of the entire statement/question).

How am I doing?

Now, that aside, basketball really does not matter in the context of college athletics as we now have come to see and know them. Football rules. Either you are a factor as a program or you are not. That is quite pertinent to this thread. Your comment about the new coaching hire was poorly thought out given all the other minutia you have offered up here just today alone.
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I think both Iowa and Iowa State are trying to compete for championships in everything they do. Iowa State isn't going to drop football or go to a mid major so they have a better shot at conference championships just like Iowa would never do that in basketball either. Obviously Iowa State football has a long ways to go
 
Lone Clone said:
Wrong. Sorry, but wrong. I have been consistent throughout this thread. When you and others convinced me the $75 million figure was not correct, I conceded this and also said if it isn't correct, my statement about the payouts being essentially the same also was incorrect.

I introduced third-tier rights into the thread because they have to be considered when comparing the revenues between conferences. That hasn't changed. I don't think you or any of the other rational posters disagree with that. The fact is that some rights are retained by Big XII members that are not retained in other conferences. This is a very basic truth. The LHN is the gorilla in the room. Another example is the material on the Cyclone Channel.

I never made any comparison as to the value of those rights relative to other schools, except to say that I was sure Iowa's were worth more than ISU's.

I'm willing to admit errors; I am not willing to pretend I made statements I didn't make.
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84,000 posts on an opposing team's message board, where nobody likes you....that's one hell of a way to spend your life.
 
'Didn't break any rules?' The bat line straight to Fred from the PD might not break any rules but it may have prevented some rule breaking and probably isn't how it happens in this day and age on most campuses.
 
cidhawkeye said:
'Didn't break any rules?' The bat line straight to Fred from the PD might not break any rules but it may have prevented some rule breaking and probably isn't how it happens in this day and age on most campuses.
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It happens like this at a lot of big time programs. Either way no rules were broken
 
Lone Clone said:
But I've never had to change my screen name.
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Haha, dude everything from you is an argument. I've never posted here and probably won't much in the future. I'm a hawkeye fan, and come here to get updates on my favorite team, that's it. I don't come to a rival school's message board with the sole purpose of arguing with anonymous fans of that team. That's insane to me that somebody would actually dedicate their life to that.

84,000 posts on an opposing team's message board?!...that's got to be decades worth of arguing....good god, that is depressing.

Go ahead and follow my username to see just how much I post, if you don't believe me, by the way.

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CyCity said:
I think both Iowa and Iowa State are trying to compete for championships in everything they do. Iowa State isn't going to drop football or go to a mid major so they have a better shot at conference championships just like Iowa would never do that in basketball either. Obviously Iowa State football has a long ways to go
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So much misinformation from just one poster....

You have previously stated that isu will not be winning any championships in football. That contradicts your statement here - something you are wont to do quite often on here. Why is that?

Unlike, isu, Iowa pretty much can determine its own destiny and is in no real danger of being displaced from a major conference. Can you honestly say that same for isu?

Time is truly of the essence unless you believe that the current administration will be allowed to hire a fourth new football staff.
 
bigcat200 said:
Haha, dude everything from you is an argument. I've never posted here and probably won't much in the future. I'm a hawkeye fan, and come here to get updates on my favorite team, that's it. I don't come to a rival school's message board with the sole purpose of arguing with anonymous fans of that team. That's insane to me that somebody would actually dedicate their life to that.

84,000 posts on an opposing team's message board?!...that's got to be decades worth of arguing....good god, that is depressing.

Go ahead and follow my username to see just how much I post, if you don't believe me, by the way.

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It is called Little brother Syndrome. Too bad for isu grads there is no cure. They simply must post on Big Bro's board. It is an integral part of their culture.
 
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Seems we have lost our biggest isu contributor of the day.... busy watching isu baseball no doubt! :rolleyes:
 
CyCity said:
It happens like this at a lot of big time programs. Either way no rules were broken
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Since it happens at the U and FSU etc. that is the standard you want to live down to? I guess it ties into the 'academics aren't that important' mindset. If you think it's the right way to have things done than that's a you issue.
 
Rivalries are funny, I love the spin each fan base can put on reality.

ISU does good in basketball, makes a couple sweet 16's.
Spin: Basketball doesn't matter and they don't win the "right way"

ISU has a crappy football season.
Spin: They would win another conference (Big10) and the conference is too tough.

Iowa has an undefeated regular season.
Spin: The Big 10 is garbage and they got humiliated when it mattered.

ISU beats Iowa in football.
Spin: It's their Super Bowl, and the game doesn't matter to the Hawks.

Iowa or ISU kid gets arrested.
Spin: We have so much more program integrity and can't remember a single time one of our student athletes got in trouble.
 
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agr1858 said:
Rivalries are funny, I love the spin each fan base can put on reality.

ISU does good in basketball, makes a couple sweet 16's.
Spin: Basketball doesn't matter and they don't win the "right way"

ISU has a crappy football season.
Spin: They would win another conference (Big10) and the conference is too tough.

Iowa has an undefeated regular season.
Spin: The Big 10 is garbage and they got humiliated when it mattered.

ISU beats Iowa in football.
Spin: It's their Super Bowl, and the game doesn't matter to the Hawks.

Iowa or ISU kid gets arrested.
Spin: We have so much more program integrity and can't remember a single time one of our student athletes got in trouble.
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Iowa has far more kids arrested, if the PD in each city had the same attitude and process it would be closer. How the situations are handled by the coaches have been interesting.
 
agr1858 said:
Rivalries are funny, I love the spin each fan base can put on reality.

ISU does good in basketball, makes a couple sweet 16's.
Spin: Basketball doesn't matter and they don't win the "right way"

ISU has a crappy football season.
Spin: They would win another conference (Big10) and the conference is too tough.

Iowa has an undefeated regular season.
Spin: The Big 10 is garbage and they got humiliated when it mattered.

ISU beats Iowa in football.
Spin: It's their Super Bowl, and the game doesn't matter to the Hawks.

Iowa or ISU kid gets arrested.
Spin: We have so much more program integrity and can't remember a single time one of our student athletes got in trouble.
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All we need to know about isu is how your racist students and women's basketball coach behave. The isu culture is one of d-bags. Just way to many examples of douchy behavior for it to be any other way. How long before we get the exit fine example of how isu behaves? Based on history it won't be long at all.
 
agr1858 said:
Rivalries are funny, I love the spin each fan base can put on reality.

ISU does good in basketball, makes a couple sweet 16's.
Spin: Basketball doesn't matter and they don't win the "right way"

ISU has a crappy football season.
Spin: They would win another conference (Big10) and the conference is too tough.

Iowa has an undefeated regular season.
Spin: The Big 10 is garbage and they got humiliated when it mattered.

ISU beats Iowa in football.
Spin: It's their Super Bowl, and the game doesn't matter to the Hawks.

Iowa or ISU kid gets arrested.
Spin: We have so much more program integrity and can't remember a single time one of our student athletes got in trouble.
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Could not help to note that only two teams are mentioned in each of your examples. I am certain that one of those teams has several 'rivals;.

Who, besides Iowa is considered a 'rival' of isu?
 
5Fan5 said:
Could not help to note that only two teams are mentioned in each of your examples. I am certain that one of those teams has several 'rivals;.

Who, besides Iowa is considered a 'rival' of isu?
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Kansas would be ISU's biggest rival in basketball, with OU next.

Football would be KSU.
 
cidhawkeye said:
Since it happens at the U and FSU etc. that is the standard you want to live down to? I guess it ties into the 'academics aren't that important' mindset. If you think it's the right way to have things done than that's a you issue.
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Winning is by far the most important thing in college athletics. Iowa State isn't breaking any rules, if the local police try to work with the program for minor instances like noise violations I'm perfectly OK with it. If our players get in trouble they get suspended and miss games, let's remember that since some programs don't even do that
 
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