California ER Doctors Corona Virus Briefing is Jaw Dropping
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What mortality rate would 'impress' you? The recent reports seem to suggest that we have significantly underestimated the total number of deaths attributable to the virus. The original article is behind a paywall (Washington Post) but it showed that from 3/1 to 4/4 the US had an excess of 15,400 deaths from their usual over that time period and only had 8128 COVID deaths recorded in that time. I linked an article that refers to it below. The same trend is being seen all over the world and has been shown in previously linked articles.
Also, it is important to remember that the IHME models are based on continued social distancing and they don't take into account any secondary waves.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...tal-death-rate-spiked-above-coronavirus-death
Are you referring, again, to the debunked serology studies which have been demonstrated as flawed based on test accuracy?
How many exceptions are allowed before it is no longer considered a fact?
It's really not. The fact one didn't finish residency is not an opinion. And neither is that they have been financially impacted by this.
The multitude of weaknesses in those studies have been pointed out on here many times already.
Another fact is that you and Joe seem to always post together.
Thanks for the thoughtful answer to my question. I was simply pointing out that something that is not true all of the time cannot by definition be a fact.
If you are trying to suggest that Joe and I are the same, I think we have slightly different approaches to how we address those we disagree with.
Right now, it's a fact that a tiny percentage of those who are dying are below 60 and healthy. I posted multiple links yesterday. I'm sure you or Joe will let us all know if that changes.
fact
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- a thing that is known or proved to be true.
Saying the two California docs are sticking their necks out not because they believe in what they are saying but just for financial re
You are attacking their background to undermine their credibility without ever addressing what they are saying. This is discredit them rather than take on their argument head on.
This doesn't surprise me.
Haw-Key is a ER DR who found some validity in what they are saying and he explained point by point why.
You are attacking their background to undermine their credibility without ever addressing what they are saying. This is discredit them rather than take on their argument head on.
This doesn't surprise me.
And now YouTube has taken down their video, which tells me these guys were on to something.
You mean our completely free and open Society tried to stifle or silence some kind of opposition opinion?
Well, I don't know what it is. I was just wondering why they took the video down. If in fact they did take it down against their wishes or some other reason.
You cherry pick questionable sources to support your previously held positions. People point out the weaknesses yet you continue to double down. This doesn't surprise me. So I will not waste time trying to convince an ant that the sky is blue.
My position on them is weirdly the same as their respective professional societies.
haw-key also:
- Stated 'we were ready' for this
And the simple fact hospitals are re-using PPE and asking for sew-a-thons for reusable masks they can use clearly indicates we were NOT ready
- Stated "We will not get to 10,000 deaths"
We are nearly 60,000 by the end of April
- Stated "We will not be Italy" and "Our deaths will not parallel or overtake Italy"
We now have 5x more cases and 2x more deaths than Italy, and account for fully 1/3rd of the world's documented cases and over 1/4th of the deaths, despite being 1/25th the world's overall population. In case 'the math' ain't your strong-suit, we're running 8x the world's case numbers and 6x the world's average death totals relative to our population fraction.
So, 'scuse me if I disregard anything that 'walking bag of disinformation and incorrect speculation' tries to claim as 'valid'.
Legal liability.
You certainly have the right to free speech. When you're speaking from a position of authority and expertise, and someone's relatives who act on your disinformation get Covid-19 and die from it, they're gonna end up taking a big chunk outta your wallet.
When their professional societies came out and contradicted them, Imma guess their lawyers were scrambling to re-org their LLC to minimize the financial liabilities they just created for themselves...
How are Univ Miami, Stanford and USC questionable sources ?
They say the virus is much more wide spread than previously known, with most showing mild to no symptoms. This drops the mortality rate way down.
This is what the ER doctors are saying they found when they tested 5000 patients.
This seems more plausible than the very few people who get tested right now being the only positives.
Those universities have not "endorsed" the studies.
The individual "researchers" presented it. And no one is attacking them, personally.
Your "Argument From Authority" fallacy isn't working here; people are attacking the methods and testing accuracy, not the researchers, Miami, Stanford or USC.
So, they have been sued? They're currently facing legal action for their video?
I'm referring to the likelihood they COULD be sued, in a class-action of relatives of people who listened to them and then contracted the virus and died from it, on the basis of their advice that it is not dangerous.
Again: these are not random tweets on the internet, they are doctors pushing advice to folks thru a video.
Sooo... it's not like a doctor who offers a prognosis, or option for treatment, and you get a second opinion.
You're speculating, here, correct?
It's about the POTENTIAL of being sued.....Who's the last person you knew who looked forward to "lawyering up" for any type of settlement. Most persons/businesses I know look for ways to avoid being sued.
No; it'd be like your doctor offering a treatment that his own society claims is NOT effective or safe, injury or killing someone when they do it (violating Standard of Care normalities) and losing his shirt over it.
And, this is even more of your opinion and speculation. You don't even know why the video was removed, but you're sure you've got it figured out to the furthest degree.
Maybe YouTube is covering its ass...maybe they got a phone call? Maybe THEIR lawyers told them to take it down? There could be a million reasons....all quite legitimate. The inference here was they removed it for some clandestine reason...and I seriously doubt that is the case....can I prove it? Nope....But others cannot prove their opinion either.
and...why should "we" know for sure? It was a business decision....and their officers don't owe us shit.....
Maybe, they did. MAYBE it was all legit. MAYBE it was clandestine. I can't prove it either. I just asked to see what would happen. I wish I could have placed a bet on my prediction, too!
But why the angst against YouTube for removing the vid....because they should have asked you first? Everything is not a conspiracy, is it?
Well, "we" don't have to know for usre. When you say "It was a business decision...", you're speculating again. We're not owed anything, that's true.
You dem/lefties always trust the government... ESPECIALLY when it seems to be sourcing from your chosen side, favoring your side, or agreeing with your opinion, bias, etc..
In my lifetime, from what I've seen? I wouldn't automatically trust them- ANY of them- any further than I could throw them! And, certainly not because "an expert" said something. That doesn't mean I never actually do trust them. Sometimes... I do trust them, without hesitation.
I don't know what the term "deep state" is supposed to do or mean. I guess it's not a universal reference. Is it supposed to discredit anything that calls into question what government agencies do? Are we not supposed to do that? Fine, be my guest.
I don't believe EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. That would be a miserable existence. But, you know what's worse? Believing that NOTHING is a conspiracy. Imagine how indoctrinated with fear you have to be that whatever they tell you, you believe it without any hesitation. Most people choose their disbelief based on political party motivation. We see that all the time. You think that the people who run this place aren't aware of that? These institutions have a self-preservation mechanisms that must be maintained. Government, just like religion, must have control over its people in order to be deemed necessary and continue to flourish. The individuals in those institutions probably don't wish other individuals any harm. But, the structure they are forced to work within, is capable of any sort of insidious action, if it means keeping the status quo. If you need proof, just look at the history of governments, or any ruling class, or structure throughout the entire history of the human race.
I don't have any "angst." Don't project, here. No, EVERYTHING is NOT a conspiracy. But, read above.
I certainly do not trust the government...Viet Nam taught me that. Nixon taught me that. Reagan/Iran/Contra taught me that. Bi;ll Clinton taught me that. W taught me that....the list goes on and on. Your big mistake here strum, is thinking the Dems are worse than the Repubbers on "selecting" information and staking their arguments. Only a fool would believe one side dies it.....Kinda like the fools here who are blaming the ills of Illinois on Cook County Democrats........both sides have had plenty to do with their current mess. Its not just one side.
I agree, 100%, there is no "side" that is clean. I never even meant to imply that one was more trustworthy... they're NOT! They act as ONE when it comes to the whole game board being disrupted.
I don't know why the video was removed. It was probably because they found themselves in a situation that wasn't good. What that situation was, exactly, we won't ever know. Was it possible their legal representation said "You guys might wind up getting your asses sued!" ? Absolutely! Was it possible that the status quo, Deep State, Whoever-Has-A-Larger-Stake-In-The-Outcome made sure it was yanked? Yes! That's possible. This is a free speech country... unless you go too far in someone's eyes. I don't like censorship of any kind. Their statement, based on their experience, wasn't any more of a threat than the president with his clorox/hydroxy-cocktail/etc. "suggestions." No one is yanking his statements from view.
No. That is not possible.
If it was yanked by anyone other than themselves, or their own lawyers, they'd have screamed bloody hell about it.
Instead, it's just quietly disappeared. There are two people who could want it to quietly disappear, and I'm gonna guess you know who they are.
