Finding a single case a couple of weeks earlier does not meaningfully alter our understanding of how and when the pandemic took hold and spread here.
California ER Doctors Corona Virus Briefing is Jaw Dropping
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I hope one outcome of this pandemic is a renewed effort to teach basic logic and statistics to American kids. We'll have lots of real-life examples to use.
What I don't understand is why Rs are so much worse at this. Is there any good reason for that?
What I don't understand is why Rs are so much worse at this. Is there any good reason for that?
They like to ignore science and math in favor of their narrow world view
Well, again, a country with 19% of the population of one country with a total number of deaths 40% of amother country is not doing as good a job of caring for its citizens. Pretty basic math, no?
That's not an accurate analogy. It is for you because you're already on board.
No, they do not.
Not until the corrections for testing accuracy are accounted for. The math on this has been posted for you, time and time again.
I hope one outcome of this 'pandemic' is a renewed effort to teach American kids critical thinking skills, skepticism of the media and a healthy distrust of anyone wishing to take their rights away from them.
So, so many examples to use.
I’m not sure if this is the best place to drop this or not, but here is a Times article outlining what can happen if things are opened early. It outlines the need for a second shutdown on a Japanese island after things had stabilized.
https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/
https://time.com/5826918/hokkaido-coronavirus-lockdown/
It's a pretty unreasonable standard to expect someone who wants to help to do the entire job themself.
If someone like Joes Place goes to the trouble of providing useful data, that by itself is good. If he fails to persuade, that's sad, but his effort was still worthy.
Well considering how long they say they have been practicing medicine, I guess that would mean they started at around 5 years old.
He provides data that advances his beliefs. Sometimes, I agree with it... sometimes, I don't. Science is never unanimous.
Dr. Osterholm addressed this question yesterday on MTP. Maybe you should google/ YouTube up his segment, I am sure you will find what he said about this very thing quite provoking. Osterholm does not mince his words. In fact, he might scare the hell out of you...yet he comes at you from a scientific perspective....and doesn’t tout a pollyannish/ blue sky approach.
This is all a hoax. It's extremely critical to the Trump platform/cult that this becomes reality.
Again, when Roy posts, I look to the other side of the room for the truth. Roy has more false information than anyone else on HROT, with the possible exception of Iowa.
Why do you avoid the per capita rate? Many of the countries with the largest populations have yet to be hit hard or have unreliable data (China & Russia).
Why wouldn’t you wanna believe the numbers Russia and China provide? My President has a great relationship with both of these guys/ countries!
Because, as I've posted for you several times now, there is no correlation between "country size" and "death rates". Particularly in the early stages of an outbreak, which we are still in.
Johns Hopkins Mortality Analyses uses deaths/100,000 population as one of its metrics. That's a per capita analyses. I'm going to assume that its a relevant and helpful stat or Johns Hopkins wouldn't rely on it.
Mortality: Deaths per 100,000 population -
Belgium - 62.11
Spain - 49.63
Italy - 44.09
France - 34.17
United Kingdom - 31.27
Netherlands - 26.06
USA - 16.77
Germany - 7.21
Iran - 6.98
China - .33
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Spain - 49.63
Italy - 44.09
France - 34.17
United Kingdom - 31.27
Netherlands - 26.06
USA - 16.77
Germany - 7.21
Iran - 6.98
China - .33
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Haven't read through the entire thread... But has it been pointed out that neither of these guys are experts in anything and use highly selected "data" with extreme bias.
The one guy didn't even finish residency. You have to be a major fvck up to not even finish residency. Therefore he's board certified in nothing.
They own some urgent cares who are hurting from reduced patient volumes. That's it. And the for profit urgent cares are some of the shadiest operations in healthcare.
The one guy didn't even finish residency. You have to be a major fvck up to not even finish residency. Therefore he's board certified in nothing.
They own some urgent cares who are hurting from reduced patient volumes. That's it. And the for profit urgent cares are some of the shadiest operations in healthcare.
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3 months? Probably more like 4-5. But if it ends up being 80k over a year? Color me unimpressed.
Joe I’ve avoided the ad hominem attacks on you for awhile. The fact I’ve held back shows an incredible amount of self control. You are a grade a DB.
I meant, admit it, you do have a very high opinion of yourself. It’s very off putting. I really just need to stop engaging you honestly.
You actually think you have critical thinking skills? You’re more about being critical of thinking skills. Not to mention you’re paranoid.
And one of the most respected epidemiologists in the US if not the world. He's the EF Hutton of epidemiologists.
He also worked for CDC, NIH, WHO and is carrying water for Fauci
Did you read where I pointed out these guys have minimal credentials and are only putting this out there because they are financially hurting?
I'll just leave this fine piece of satire here.
https://gomerblog.com/2020/04/break...ain-income/?utm_source=FB&utm_campaign=DIRECT
https://gomerblog.com/2020/04/break...ain-income/?utm_source=FB&utm_campaign=DIRECT
A: Yes, they are
B: Indications are there are other health problems triggered by the virus in young adults, including a possible 7-fold increase in stroke risks
C: Many that are not "dying" are dealing with potential long-term health issues from it
The simple fact we have indications it COULD BE 10x-20x more lethal than flu AND we're seeing other health issues associated with it, is a solid indicator we should not be making rash decisions about letting everyone be exposed to this. You don't get "do-overs" here.
Quite a feather in his cap....He has overcome a lot....afterall, he is a Norseman but still succeeded!
(Luther is really a fine college...)
Joe...why argue with these phuques? They got more questions than you have answers....I have said it before....you might as well go outside, face into the wind, pull out your dick and pee! It is my understanding this PM there is gonna be quite a wind to piss into, too....
Whatever you say, they are gonna "counter"? Their mantra is "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance....baffle them with bullshit!"
Back to the original topic, here is a joint statement between the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine linked below. It is a pretty strong statement coming out against their opinions.
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-1...-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
https://www.acep.org/corona/COVID-1...-joint-statement-on-physician-misinformation/
I think Dr. Fauci said it best when he said that the virus makes the timeline. My personal opinion is that the worst thing we can do (both humanistically and economically) is open up too early. If that happens and we have a severe rebound it is going to freak the public out even more.
I think rather than set an arbitrary timeline the timing should be based on criteria that are decided upon with the input of public health experts and epidemiologists. In the meantime, resources should be spent bolstering our public health force, increasing testing capabilities, etc. I am not in the camp that things need to be shut down until a vaccine, I agree that there needs to be a balance.
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