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DanL53 said:
So we differ between really disappointed and a little disappointed. ;)

I keep thinking add 6'6" to wings of 6'5" and 6'6" and all good passers and watch the motion offense post up 6' point guards.
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There's a reason Fran has made Moore a high priority and spent the time recruiting him. He's good. Yes, having versatile 6-4 to 6-6 guys on the perimeter is very good. And it's even better if there's a really good PG who can get into the lane to make things go. If Iowa is going to go from pretty good to really good, Fran needs to land a difference maker at PG.
 
You cannot lose something you don't have. Fran should have signed a PG in this class. Oh wait.......
 
Fran needed to have signed a pg last class. Williams may be an option but he was not the pg they were looking for.
 
What PG would want to come in this year with 2 senior PG's one of which has been a starter from day 1.

I would have done what Fran did. Get a combo guard and then really push 2016 for a special PG that you can turn the keys over to. I can't even fathom a PG out there that can't see the opportunity that awaits their arrival to Iowa City next Fall.
 
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2432Hawk said:
What PG would want to come in this year with 2 senior PG's one of which has been a starter from day 1.

I would have done what Fran did. Get a combo guard and then really push 2016 for a special PG that you can turn the keys over to. I can't even fathom a PG out there that can't see the opportunity that awaits their arrival to Iowa City next Fall.
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Agree. And people forget Conner is coming in as a point in 2017. It would be great to get Moore, but our recruiting is going well enough that we may not need a classic point for one year.
 
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If I was a 2017 PG, I would be a little concerned about coming to Iowa. But that's just me.
 
BGHAWK said:
If I was a 2017 PG, I would be a little concerned about coming to Iowa. But that's just me.
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My guess is there is some negative recruiting happening against Iowa bc of Connor coming in the 2017 class. I don't think it is a real issue but my guess is it is being thrown around to some of our PG recruits that "you don't want to be behind coaches son for 3 years". It's BS but it is the business.
 
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HawkAttackDial911 said:
How big is Connor now? I'm under the impression he's a combo guard with the potential to get even bigger.
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Connor is going to be a combo guard in college. He will be a multiple position player, but quite capable of playing PG if needed. Moore/Simpson have capabilities Connor doesn't which we could certainly use in a starter.
 
It's amazing pg's commit to programs that already have established players, oh I remember, it happens all the time.
 
Moore is a completely different type of guard than Connor. It has been quite awhile since we have has a great penetrator who could score or dish it.

I still marvel what Ronnie Lester could do in the lane. He was the catalyst foursome get Hawkeye teams. I am not comparing Charlie to Ronnie, just wanted to make a point what great point guards can do for a team.

I am concerned Charlie is getting a lot of intercity pressure to go down state. Hope I'm wrong and he becomes a Hawk.
 
unIowa said:
He will be a big PG that can play some 2 but my guess is he plays the 1 most of the time he is in.
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Connor was a 2 when he played beside Lohaus. He is definitely a combo guard who is becoming a good enough outside shooter to be a scoring threat. I would think that he would be great to play beside as an SG as he could allow the PG to score more. What PG doesn't want that?
 
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BBHawk said:
Connor was a 2 when he played beside Lohaus. He is definitely a combo guard who is becoming a good enough outside shooter to be a scoring threat. I would think that he would be great to play beside as an SG as he could allow the PG to score more. What PG doesn't want that?
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A big part of what I thought we missed last year with Marble gone. The addition of so many guys who have that "combo" feel to their game is going to help quite a lot as they gain experience. Another reason I'm not overly concerned with nabbing a do it all pure point guard.
 
BBHawk said:
Connor was a 2 when he played beside Lohaus. He is definitely a combo guard who is becoming a good enough outside shooter to be a scoring threat. I would think that he would be great to play beside as an SG as he could allow the PG to score more. What PG doesn't want that?
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I agree he would be a fine fit at the 2, but the problem is that rival coaches are going to tell the potential recruits that the point job is Conner's for 4 years. It is hard to dispel that notion when Conner is capable of playing the point, his Dad was a point and he is going to play for his Dad.
 
Mohawkeye said:
I agree he would be a fine fit at the 2, but the problem is that rival coaches are going to tell the potential recruits that the point job is Conner's for 4 years. It is hard to dispel that notion when Conner is capable of playing the point, his Dad was a point and he is going to play for his Dad.
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This assumes that a PG would a) believe everything that opposing coaches say, and b) think that Connor McC will be good enough to win the position from them when they have had a year to establish themselves before he gets there, and c) that coach McC is so shallow as to lie to them about this. I don't think that Moore subscribes to any of the above.
 
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Mohawkeye said:
I agree he would be a fine fit at the 2, but the problem is that rival coaches are going to tell the potential recruits that the point job is Conner's for 4 years. It is hard to dispel that notion when Conner is capable of playing the point, his Dad was a point and he is going to play for his Dad.
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From everything I've heard, Fran's as honest of a man and recruiter as they come. I'm sure if recruits have concerns regarding Connor, he will be upfront with them. I'd be interested to know what Fran is thinking as far as position and playing time for his son.
 
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Not trying to be a butt or anything and I haven't seen them play in person but are the coaches kids truly big ten caliber players? Just asking.
 
I don't think there will be ANY concern with them fundamentally. Patrick I know is really athletic (he was able to dunk in 8th grade- I don't think comparing him to Uthoff is all that absurd). I've had some questions about Connor's athleticism for awhile, I know he's a really smart player and a good shooter, but am not sure about quickness and keeping up with B1G PG's.
 
Kurt Warner said:
Not trying to be a butt or anything and I haven't seen them play in person but are the coaches kids truly big ten caliber players? Just asking.
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CM is a top100kid and PM is a top 50 if not 25 at this point. they are really good
 
If we don't get Moore or Simpson, it won't be because of any lack of effort on the coaching staff's part. You can only do so much. I just hope we don't fall back to tying one up for four years with Bohannon. I would rather book the scholarship.
 
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The way Fran likes to play, I agree a PG is key. He likes to push the ball and run - you need a great ball handling / good vision PG to do that. I don't think you need a scoring PG for Fran's system to work, although it always helps.
 
Ronman said:
If we don't get Moore or Simpson, it won't be because of any lack of effort on the coaching staff's part. You can only do so much. I just hope we don't fall back to tying one up for four years with Bohannon. I would rather book the scholarship.
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Or at least wait until the Spring to see what options open up. I've nothing against Bohannon, but I think we could do better by waiting.
 
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Mohawkeye said:
Or at least wait until the Spring to see what options open up. I've nothing against Bohannon, but I think we could do better by waiting.
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Totally agree. If Fran doesn't land Moore shop the JUCO and 5th year transfer market during the spring. With Williams and then Connor only a year out really Fran only needs a one year stop gap if he doesn't land his 4 year PG in Moore.
 
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Connor is similar to valentine from msu. Can play "point" could play off the ball fine. Maybe a "point forward." Both good passers, around six five, decent shooters, play like coaches sons. Ranked pretty silimarly also.
I know iowa recruited rj hunter. Patrick seems to be a combination maybe of rj and uthoff.
 
unIowa said:
Ahhhhh, no.
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In his defense you don't see to many "pass-first" guys off the ball. From what has been said about CM their mentality and court vision sound like they could be similar. Maybe not other parts of their game but that aspect seems similar. Beyond that they're both not very athletic but crafty enough to get where they want to go.

It might be tough to grasp because one guy is cocky and African American and the other is a white coach's son but I can see it.
 
buttermypancakes said:
In his defense you don't see to many "pass-first" guys off the ball. From what has been said about CM their mentality and court vision sound like they could be similar. Maybe not other parts of their game but that aspect seems similar. Beyond that they're both not very athletic but crafty enough to get where they want to go.

It might be tough to grasp because one guy is cocky and African American and the other is a white coach's son but I can see it.
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Both are coach's sons
 
Alabama and Auburn land 5* studs. They are more irrelevant than Iowa is. I get Auburn has Pearl but what the heck does Bama offer? Fran needs to get a "salesman" on the staff. The top level kids don't care about loyalty and hard work anymore. They want to be sold BS instead.
 
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