You won't listen to anything he tells you.
Offit agrees the Covid vaccines are safe.
Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby
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Offit agrees the Covid vaccines are safe.
No, you're not.
You're posting bullshit from Epoch Times.
Crap that your list of MDs would not agree with.
You cherry-pick nonsense and exaggerate it, and ignore the main conclusions from the scientists.
I've brought this point up many times through the years with very little if any push back. Now you want to push back?
LOLWUT?
You post shit from the Epoch Times and Twitter, FAR more than you cite actual published reference articles on vaccines.
Offit acknowledges you can't say vaccines don't cause autism. That's good enough for me.
Offit also states there is NO EVIDENCE to support they do. And NO CORRELATION
You also cannot say M&Ms don't cause autism. Because they COULD.
Stay on point. We're talking about MDs dedicating about a 1/2 a day on vaccines over the entire course of their schooling.
Maybe you should read his book:
“Autism’s False Prophets: Bad Science, Risky Medicine and the Search for a Cure,” by Paul A. Offit, MD, describes the unsuccessful attempt by fringe scientists, advocacy groups, and personal injury lawyers to link autism with vaccines. It is a morality tale about falsification of research, discredited expert witness testimony, and a media mainly interested in ratings and sensationalism rather than scientific evidence. It reveals a legal system where personal injury lawyers are driven by the lure of huge financial settlements, judges have no background in science or medicine and juries have little understanding of the scientific method. It is a story that has been repeated over and over in the U.S. with other products that have been ultimately been proven safe. It is a story that will undoubtedly be repeated in the future unless changes are made in our legal system.
www.amazon.com/Autisms-False-Prophets-Science-Medicine/dp/023114637X
You stay on point.
YOU are the one posting nonsense from unreliable sources.
And IGNORING published articles on the topic.
Are parents complaining about their kids slipping into autism after eating M&Ms? Did the rate of autism increase as children's M&M consumption increased? No, autism increased after the vaccine schedule ramped up.
That would be weird considering that by 1940, pertussis deaths were at 2,926 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1940_1.pdf) in the US…and plummeting.On the basis of the rate of decline before 1940, 4,000–8,000 deaths from pertussis would be expected to have occurred in 1970–1974; however, only 52 such deaths occurred. It is unlikely that factors other than pertussis vaccine caused this decline in mortality.
An Evaluation of Pertussis Vaccine
Abstract. Infant mortality from pertussis in the United States was 4.5 deaths/1,OOO in 1900 but decreased to 0.003 deaths/1 ,000 by 1974. The attribution oacademic.oup.com
Maybe you can email your buddy Dr. Paul Offit and ask him about the effect of the pertussis vaccine on incidence and mortality.
Like everything else you post, that abstract from academic.oup is a steaming pile of crap. Maybe it should be renamed academic.oops
Not surprising coming from someone unfamiliar with negative vaccine effectiveness and innate immunity (among most other scientific concepts).
Joe I gotta go for the night. Thanks though. I'd like to leave with the thought of what the heck you and your boys are going to do when we get some transparency up in this joint.
And I already told you you're horribly wrong. You're off by quite a bit To a point I'd actually accuse you of purposefully lying.
The way I see it is if they want to risk killer diseases it's on them. Survival of the fittest.
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FUNFACT: Compare the population in 1940 to the 1970s...
Vaccines were introduced AFTER 1940.
And today they are in the tens.
Yes. It is. And the MD who told you now says you are just outright lying about it.
Holy shit...I didn't think you could be any dumber than I already thought. Just out of curiosity, what else are vaccines responsible for in your mind because we can't say they aren't linked?
This is just a crazy thread. How you can argue against vaccines is beyond idiotic. There is no reports showing a linkage of vaccines to any specific early developmental issue. There is definite cause and effect of women having children much later in life, when the risk of these developmental issues are more likely. Those Vaccines can stop your child from getting severely sick or dying. Period. End Stop.
100% of infants who acquire autism either drink formula, or breast milk.
I think we need to quit feeding them....
Posted for these idiots >3 years ago:
Anti-Vaxxers Got It Wrong: Severe Childhood Infections May Actually Cause Autism
‘That’s the biggest association I’ve ever found in this dataset,’ https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/serious-infections-linked-to-autism-study-69193 Finally, in what he calls “a Hail Mary,” Silva asked a friend, computational biologist Andrey Rzhetsky of the University of Chicago, to...
iowa.forums.rivals.com
Serious Infections Linked to Autism: Study
In both a mouse model and the hospital records of more than 3 million children, researchers found a connection between strong immune activation in males and later symptoms of autism spectrum disorder.
www.the-scientist.com
Finally, in what he calls “a Hail Mary,” Silva asked a friend, computational biologist Andrey Rzhetsky of the University of Chicago, to look at dataset of more than 3.5 million health insurance claims to see if there was any relationship between severe infections and autism in humans. “He comes back months later and says, ‘That’s the biggest association I’ve ever found in this dataset,’” says Silva. Male children, regardless of genetic status, who were hospitalized with infections between the ages of 18 months and four years were 40 percent more likely to be diagnosed with ASD later than were boys who weren’t hospitalized for infections, while for girls, hospitalization for infection at this age was associated with a 30 percent greater chance of ASD diagnosis. The difference for girls was not statistically significant, however.
“This paper has to be [understood] as proof that you need to vaccinate your kids,” since infectious diseases can not only be fatal, but can also raise the risk of ASD among children who survive, says coauthor Manuel López Aranda, a neuroscientist at UCLA.
The combination of basic science and the clinically relevant data analysis of more than 3 million children is “a slam dunk,” says Tanjala Gipson, a pediatric neurologist at Le Bonheur Children’s Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, who did not participate in the study. Open questions include: “how do I know my child is at risk? Do I need to be worried about every fever? Do I need to be worried about every infection?” she says. Thus, one next step would be determining whether there are biomarkers that indicate when children are more at risk.
The CDC put on their main webpage the header in bold "Vaccines do not cause Autism". Is that dumb too?
Somewhere during COVID they've since backed off that statement.
To answer your question, vaccines are suspected to be responsible for a laundry list of chronic diseases.
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Here’s another one (via Aaron Siri). It’s like these people can’t help but commit fraud. Every. Single. Time. 🤔 RotaTeq being an Offit/Plotkin concoction.
Nonetheless, numerous news outlets, such as Stat News in its article titled “Correcting Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s vaccine ‘facts’”, are stating Mr. Kennedy is wrong because they claim the clinical trial relied upon to license the rotavirus vaccine, RotaTeq, did include a placebo control. They are wrong.
A placebo is defined by the CDC as a “substance or treatment that has no effect on living beings.” This means a saline injection or water drops in mouth.
RotaTeq is administered via oral drops. A “placebo” would have been water drops in the mouth. The control used in the trial, however, included bioactive ingredients including almost all the ingredients in the RotaTeq vaccine itself.
How do I know this? Because in 2018, on behalf of ICAN, we were investigating the control used in each clinical trial relied upon by the FDA to license each childhood vaccine.
In that review, we found that while the package insert for the RotaTeq vaccine says the control in its clinical trial was a “placebo,” when we read the FDA’s clinical trial review for RotaTeq, the ingredients of this so-called “placebo” were redacted:
So, on behalf of ICAN we submitted a Freedom of Information Act Request to the FDA for “Documents sufficient to identify the ingredients of the ‘placebo’ in the prelicensure clinical trials identified in Section 6.1 of the package insert for RotaTeq.”
In a response dated June 14, 2018, the FDA provided the requested documents which clearly show that the control was not a placebo. Rather, it included polysorbate-80, sodium citrate, sodium phosphate, and sucrose.
These same four ingredients are also contained in RotaTeq. The only difference between the vaccine and the control is that RotaTeq also included tissue culture medium and rotavirus reassortments. So, bottom line: the control used in the RotaTeq clinical trial was not a placebo since it included bioactive ingredients.
For example, here is what the NIH explains about sodium phosphate, one of the ingredients in the control:
https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a609019.html
It's been in interviews with MDs, that I've posted here. Also, it was reported at the WHO's Vaccine Safety Summit in 2019.
You mean this summit?
The World Health Organization (WHO) and the European Commission co-hosted the Global Vaccination Summit on September 12, 2019 in Brussels, Belgium. The summit's goals were to:
- Highlight the importance of vaccination as a public health measure
- Demonstrate the EU's commitment to global vaccination
- Encourage political leaders to take action against vaccine misinformation
- Discuss best practices to combat vaccine hesitancy
That combo existed long before the dramatic increases in the rate of autism so there's no correlation. You're not good at this.
Uh yeah those were the goals, thankfully the summit was recorded. Did you happen to see the video footage of what actually happened?
why don't you post some snippets, im sure will be very cherry picked.
Edit: I've been skimming through the first 40 minutes and it has all been positive for vaccines and combatting misinformation. I've seen nothing to say the contrary up to this point.
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Went through over an hour and seen nothing you claim, not worth my time to keep going.
Those aren't "MDs"; you have an actual MD who has posted for you what the regimen is.
And they spend quite a bit of time learning basic immunology - something you have ZERO background or schooling in.
Then there are MDs who specialize in immunology, who spend years studying it, and they do not support your positions or the positions of the rando idiots you parrot on here.
They post shit that 100% debunks their position, as though it somehow supports their claims.
#CrazyPills
Funny, isn’t it? They only trust the ‘experts’ like Fauci, Offit, Plotkin, WHO, CDC, etc., until the experts say something they don’t like.
Then it’s time to move the goalposts. 🤔
Ya, there is. Rates increased right around the time the schedule ramped up. Unless you're Joe, who believes the rates of autism have remained constant throughout history.
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