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Close friend pleading with me to not vaccinate our baby

Ya, there is. Rates increased right around the time the schedule ramped up. Unless you're Joe, who believes the rates of autism have remained constant throughout history.
You really do struggle with clear data and the truth. I get it, it’s how your brain is wired. Nothing anyone can do to help. Did you suffer a traumatic brain injury from a vaccine?
 
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Ya, there is. Rates increased right around the time the schedule ramped up. Unless you're Joe, who believes the rates of autism have remained constant throughout history.
Think these pharma fluffers are capable of putting two and two together?

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34) was signed into law by United States President Ronald Reagan as a part of a larger health bill on November 14, 1986. NCVIA's purpose was to eliminate the potential financial liability of vaccine manufacturers due to vaccine injury claims.

Among test subjects, the prevalence of antinuclear antibodies (ANA), the most common biomarker of autoimmunity, nearly doubled between 1988-2012. In the same study, the prevalence of ANA among adolescents aged 12 to 19 years old increased nearly 300%.
 
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why don't you post some snippets, im sure will be very cherry picked.

Edit: I've been skimming through the first 40 minutes and it has all been positive for vaccines and combatting misinformation. I've seen nothing to say the contrary up to this point.
Thanks for giving me a reason to post this again. I can't post it enough, you know to educate more and more parents about what actually happened and the truths that were admitted during this conference.
Segment starts @ 39:45
MD 1/2 day vaccine coverage is @ 46:00
 
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These are the sort of goofs those post on highwire.com.


Its pretty clear that a few of you must have suffered a brain injury related to vaccine use.
Yep, resort to attack person who says it when you can't defend the point on its merit. And Wikipedia? Really?
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Yep, resort to attack person who says it when you can't defend the point on its merit. And Wikipedia? Really?
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You are stating these individuals have validity in their statements. Most of those you are claiming are not in the medical field, as 99% of medical professionals will tell you to get the vaccine.
 
You are stating these individuals have validity in their statements. Most of those you are claiming are not in the medical field, as 99% of medical professionals will tell you to get the vaccine.
Dude they were specifically talking about the MDs who are on the front line with their patients. They don't know how to handle their patient's questions because they aren't properly educated about vaccines.

In addition, she said their patient's questions are actually valid, and not "misinformation" because the safety science is indeed inadequate to address them.

Seriously people does it really have to be this hard?
 
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Dude they were specifically talking about the MDs who are on the front line with their patients. They don't know how to handle their patient's questions because they aren't properly educated about vaccines.

In addition, she said their patient's questions are actually valid, and not "misinformation" because the safety science is indeed inadequate to address them.

Seriously people does it really have to be this hard?
Early on in the pandemic yes they didn't know how to answer them, 4 years later they have the science and easily accessible information. As a former Nursing Home administrator, wife who is a pharmacist and several friends that are in the medical community vaccines is very simple to explain. Unless you are contraindicated to vaccines you should have them period. Between personal immunity, herd immunity, which is needed for the most vulnerable of the community, the increasing anti vaccine movement is putting those at risk and those unvaccinated to be get severely sick. Have you seen someone with Polio, my great Uncle had it, effectively deformed and had several other long term symptoms and was disabled for the remainder of his life.

I am ok with further research. However as shown before, having your child have an intense medical attack, increases the chances of of the very things you are worried about (and have no proof vaccines increase the risk). Hereditary, environment, and age of mother (higher chance of chromosomes that have gone wonky) are the biggest reason for many birth risks or defects.

So yes you can cite whatever wonky research you want to, the stats and science clearly show vaccines work and necessary to maintain a healthy society.
 
Early on in the pandemic yes they didn't know how to answer them, 4 years later they have the science and easily accessible information. As a former Nursing Home administrator, wife who is a pharmacist and several friends that are in the medical community vaccines is very simple to explain. Unless you are contraindicated to vaccines you should have them period. Between personal immunity, herd immunity, which is needed for the most vulnerable of the community, the increasing anti vaccine movement is putting those at risk and those unvaccinated to be get severely sick. Have you seen someone with Polio, my great Uncle had it, effectively deformed and had several other long term symptoms and was disabled for the remainder of his life.

I am ok with further research. However as shown before, having your child have an intense medical attack, increases the chances of of the very things you are worried about (and have no proof vaccines increase the risk). Hereditary, environment, and age of mother (higher chance of chromosomes that have gone wonky) are the biggest reason for many birth risks or defects.

So yes you can cite whatever wonky research you want to, the stats and science clearly show vaccines work and necessary to maintain a healthy society.
Your Pharma talking points don’t mesh with the facts. America is one of the most vaccinated, least healthy countries on earth.

Vaccines are useless at making people - or society - healthy.
 
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Early on in the pandemic yes they didn't know how to answer them, 4 years later they have the science and easily accessible information. As a former Nursing Home administrator, wife who is a pharmacist and several friends that are in the medical community vaccines is very simple to explain. Unless you are contraindicated to vaccines you should have them period. Between personal immunity, herd immunity, which is needed for the most vulnerable of the community, the increasing anti vaccine movement is putting those at risk and those unvaccinated to be get severely sick. Have you seen someone with Polio, my great Uncle had it, effectively deformed and had several other long term symptoms and was disabled for the remainder of his life.

I am ok with further research. However as shown before, having your child have an intense medical attack, increases the chances of of the very things you are worried about (and have no proof vaccines increase the risk). Hereditary, environment, and age of mother (higher chance of chromosomes that have gone wonky) are the biggest reason for many birth risks or defects.

So yes you can cite whatever wonky research you want to, the stats and science clearly show vaccines work and necessary to maintain a healthy society.
You can't deny what was said at the meeting I posted for you, this is best information available, by the world's supposed experts. I highly encourage anyone to go watch and listen to the link I provided to what was said during that meeting.

If you or you want your kids to get the polio vaccine, then get it. Nobody is stopping you. I'm for proper informed consent, better safety testing, and against mandates, not doing away with vaccines.

If everything goes as planned we should all be seeing more data in the coming weeks and months, so really it's almost pointless to continue on many of these points until the transparency happens.
 
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Your Pharma talking points don’t mesh with the facts. America is one of the most vaccinated, least healthy countries on earth.

Vaccines are useless at making people - or society - healthy.
You are dumb. Vaccines create immunity against specific viruses and bacteria. What it does not stop is poor health decisions, and lack of exercise or poor eating habits that increase co-morbidities. It also does not effect declining conditions in health and water quality. If you really want to have a discussion on this I am more than willing to go more deeply into this. However it is clear you are confounding, the current health of an aging and overall less active, worse eating society than the benefits/costs of vaccines. Ever wonder why Iowa has a high cancer rate? It sure as hell isn't because of vaccine use. Its due to agriculture effecting the water supply with fertilizer and chemicals in run off.
 
You are stating these individuals have validity in their statements. Most of those you are claiming are not in the medical field, as 99% of medical professionals will tell you to get the vaccine.
So you’re telling me my families Dr. is in the top 1%?! Whew, well that’s a relief.
 
My nurses were the worst at getting vaccines, they would say they didn't feel good or got sick after getting a vaccine. Yes in general you can feel crappy after getting the vaccine for a day, but in general the benefits are massive. I can understand the concerns a little more on the flu vaccine, stating that it is not targeted, that it is merely a guess, and on that I will agree. Even still when working with the elderly, I always stated, what happens if that strain does hit, and 1, 2 or 3 more residents pass away because you decided not to get the vaccine? When you put it in terms like that, you can make it hit home a lot better. Your actions affect others. I went from a 50% staff vaccinations to 98% and it was only 1 to 2% that absolutely refused.
 
If your family doc is the 1% telling people not to vaccinate I would be concerned.
Fortunately, she did. No Covid shots in my house. My wife, 2 teenagers and I all got Covid…….and lived!!!!! Eat healthy and exercise my friend. As our astute family Dr pointed out the overwhelming majority of folks that died or suffered serious affects from Covid were overweight and/or 75 or older.

Two guys (39 and 41 both in good health) I work with both got the vaccine cause our work told them if they didn’t they would lose their jobs. Within a month to a month and a half both of them had massive heart attacks. One of them had to have two open heart surgeries. The other just the one and will be on some other med the rest of his life. Both guys will never come back to work. We are city employees and the city is fighting their workers comp claims tooth and nail not wanting to compensate them. The most mind numbing thing is both of them had Covid before they got vaccinated and then one of them got it again AFTER getting vaccinated! Because he was now high risk, cause of his heart issue, he had to go on a ventilator!

Fortunately, I ended up on the right side of history and refused to bend the knee.
 
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My nurses were the worst at getting vaccines, they would say they didn't feel good or got sick after getting a vaccine. Yes in general you can feel crappy after getting the vaccine for a day, but in general the benefits are massive. I can understand the concerns a little more on the flu vaccine, stating that it is not targeted, that it is merely a guess, and on that I will agree. Even still when working with the elderly, I always stated, what happens if that strain does hit, and 1, 2 or 3 more residents pass away because you decided not to get the vaccine? When you put it in terms like that, you can make it hit home a lot better. Your actions affect others. I went from a 50% staff vaccinations to 98% and it was only 1 to 2% that absolutely refused.
You're all of a sudden on the COVID vaccine now? We were talking mostly about the scheduled vaccines.
 
You are dumb. Vaccines create immunity against specific viruses and bacteria. What it does not stop is poor health decisions, and lack of exercise or poor eating habits that increase co-morbidities. It also does not affect declining conditions in health and water quality. If you really want to have a discussion on this I am more than willing to go more deeply into this. However it is clear you are confounding, the current health of an aging and overall less active, worse eating society than the benefits/costs of vaccines. Ever wonder why Iowa has a high cancer rate? It sure as hell isn't because of vaccine use. Its due to agriculture effecting the water supply with fertilizer and chemicals in run off.
I agree that it’s the toxins that are eaten. The toxins that are drunk. The toxins absorbed through the skin. The toxins that are inhaled. All bad.

Yet for some reason you think the toxins that are injected into babies - - oftentimes just hours after birth, are harmless.

You’re delusional.
 
I agree that it’s the toxins that are eaten. The toxins that are drunk. The toxins absorbed through the skin. The toxins that are inhaled. All bad.

Yet for some reason you think the toxins that are injected into babies - - oftentimes just hours after birth, are harmless.

You’re delusional.

I have 7 covid vaccines in me and am feeling great.

Just curious: are you a physician? What do you do for a living?
 
I have 7 covid vaccines in me and am feeling great.

Just curious: are you a physician? What do you do for a living?
If I had 7 shots I’d quit while I was ahead, but then again covid doesn’t concern me.

No, I’m not a physician. I work in biotech, and thankfully I don’t have a boss to threaten me with choosing between the shot or my job. 😁
 
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Fortunately, she did. No Covid shots in my house. My wife, 2 teenagers and I all got Covid…….and lived!!!!! Eat healthy and exercise my friend. As our astute family Dr pointed out the overwhelming majority of folks that died or suffered serious affects from Covid were overweight and/or 75 or older.

Two guys (39 and 41 both in good health) I work with both got the vaccine cause our work told them if they didn’t they would lose their jobs. Within a month to a month and a half both of them had massive heart attacks. One of them had to have two open heart surgeries. The other just the one and will be on some other med the rest of his life. Both guys will never come back to work. We are city employees and the city is fighting their workers comp claims tooth and nail not wanting to compensate them. The most mind numbing thing is both of them had Covid before they got vaccinated and then one of them got it again AFTER getting vaccinated! Because he was now high risk, cause of his heart issue, he had to go on a ventilator!

Fortunately, I ended up on the right side of history and refused to bend the knee.
You have to got to be shitting me. You are blaming heart attacks on Covid shots? They were completely healthy no risk factors for heart disease? What the hell are you smoking. I’ve had all the possible shots, I should have had a couple double bypass by then. In my community probably half the population didn’t get shots primarily middle age. We have had probably 60 middle age people die from Covid in the last 4 years. 5 more this September.
 
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I agree that it’s the toxins that are eaten. The toxins that are drunk. The toxins absorbed through the skin. The toxins that are inhaled. All bad.

Yet for some reason you think the toxins that are injected into babies - - oftentimes just hours after birth, are harmless.

You’re delusional.
Dead virus is hell of a lot better than a live one. So is a live virus a toxin if a child gets one?
 
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You have to got to be shitting me. You are blaming heart attacks on Covid shots? They were completely healthy no risk factors for heart disease? What the hell are you smoking. I’ve had all the possible shots, I should have had a couple double bypass by then. In my community probably half the population didn’t get shots primarily middle age. We have had probably 60 middle age people die from Covid in the last 4 years. 5 more this September.
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You have to got to be shitting me. You are blaming heart attacks on Covid shots? They were completely healthy no risk factors for heart disease? What the hell are you smoking. I’ve had all the possible shots, I should have had a couple double bypass by then. In my community probably half the population didn’t get shots primarily middle age. We have had probably 60 middle age people die from Covid in the last 4 years. 5 more this September.
What am I smoking? I don’t smoke anything, nor do I drink alcohol. I also exercise daily and eat healthy. You go ahead and stay up to date on that jab though, especially if you’re fat.
 
You don't get out much do you?
"A study today involving 46 million adults in England shows that the incidence of both heart attacks and strokes dropped following COVID-19 vaccination compared to the incidence before or without vaccination."


Here is an actually study in England. Not your wonky ideas of someone gets covid shot and month later dies of a heart attack and think its correlated. You would really struggle in science class.
 
What am I smoking? I don’t smoke anything, nor do I drink alcohol. I also exercise daily and eat healthy. You go ahead and stay up to date on that jab though, especially if you’re fat.
I don't smoke or drink. I do exercise but have a sedentary job.
 
You're all of a sudden on the COVID vaccine now? We were talking mostly about the scheduled vaccines.
Pretty much vaccines in general. With the nurses just the Flu shot. A potent Flu can kill 20-30% of the residents in a nursing home. Had it happen a couple years out of my 10 when I managed nursing homes.
 
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