Day 3: Finals Matches for Saturday 10:00 AM

[SansSouci]

Let's go ahead and baby both of them. Two backs and four labrum surgeries for me just from being impatient about getting back to being me. I can wait another year for Spencer.

Edit: reference to a post about the bull and that kid from Pennsylvania that's going to become our future AD.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

The point is, or the question was, what is the value of a guy who is obviously outmatched being in the room? 100 percent agree he deserves the big balls trophy for sticking it out knowing there may not be a light at the end of the tunnel. Most would not do that. Calling me an arse is exactly why I don't stick around long on these boards - people jump to conclusions and name-calling when all I'm trying to do is understand it better. A few people posted about the value of people like Perez, and that was great feedback.

I just think you should consider that there is a high probability that some of the Iowa wrestlers read the board. Should consider that before shitting on a guy who is getting no scholarship money and chooses to go through a grueling wrestling season with weight cutting every year. He's also not an Iowa native, so even more impressive imo.

 

[natchrlman]

Won 2-0. Stalling point and escape point

Thanks. Is that a good sign saying Costello is that good or a bad sign saying maybe Stoll isn't a 100 % ?

Gotta wonder how the rehab is going.

Going great

 

[T8KUDWN]

I just think you should consider that there is a high probability that some of the Iowa wrestlers read the board. Should consider that before shitting on a guy who is getting no scholarship money and chooses to go through a grueling wrestling season with weight cutting every year. He's also not an Iowa native, so even more impressive imo.

I agree, respect the hell out of guys like Perez who probably won't ever see the line up but show up & work their ass off. Help make their teammates better and themself a better man.

 

[WDuck5217]

Costello MO is always counter offense against guys better then him. No big surprise in this score from these two. I would be surprise if he would be .500 this year if a starter.

Plus, he knows better then to go down against Stoll

I agree with Costello typically having a counter offense style... especially against really good guys.
I didn't know what Holloway's record was last year but after seeing he was 6-12 I can see why you think Costello would be under .500, I do still think he would be at .500 or a little bit better because I think he was better then Holloway was last year. But I can see where you are coming from. I also have always liked Costello and think of him higher than most.

 

[24 so far]

I agree with Costello typically having a counter offense style... especially against really good guys.
I didn't know what Holloway's record was last year but after seeing he was 6-12 I can see why you think Costello would be under .500, I do still think he would be at .500 or a little bit better because I think he was better then Holloway was last year. But I can see where you are coming from. I also have always liked Costello and think of him higher than most.

And he's actually a HWT., that in and of itself makes him better than Holloway at that weight. Glad to have both on the team.

 

[ping72]

What is the point of this comment? I have a ton of respect for guys like Perez who are not going to see time as a starter unless someone gets injured. He shows up and puts in the work anyway. He's not seeking glory. He's doing it for the love of the sport and to push himself to become better at something.

"Not at all trying to be an arse" but you come off as an arse.

The point is, or the question was, what is the value of a guy who is obviously outmatched being in the room? 100 percent agree he deserves the big balls trophy for sticking it out knowing there may not be a light at the end of the tunnel. Most would not do that. Calling me an arse is exactly why I don't stick around long on these boards - people jump to conclusions and name-calling when all I'm trying to do is understand it better. A few people posted about the value of people like Perez, and that was great feedback.

It may be ignorance, but you still sound like a huge douche and a disgrace to the fan base. Why question the presence of anyone in the room (barring serious misconduct) ??

If you really wanted to know the value of a room workout partner you could have asked; rather than call out why a specific wrestler is there based upon two scores??? A lot of good wrestlers have been teched by Hawk starters.

Why is he there? Because he is currently 2nd string. If Stick gets injured, he is the difference between fielding a wrestler or forfeiting.

 

[Vallholl]

Not at all trying to be an arse, but I don't see the value of having Perez in the room. Granted, I'm sure he would still crush me and I have 100 pounds on him, but Iowa's not the place to just 'be.'

I agree, respect the hell out of guys like Perez who probably won't ever see the line up but show up & work their ass off. Help make their teammates better and themself a better man.

I echo everyone else to appreciates and celebrates those individuals who are willing to train every day with little chance of being a starter but train to be ready when needed. Not every wrestler is Chris Campbell, Mark Ironside, The Dakota Destroyer* or Cory Clark. Iowa Wrestling needs guys like Faraan Brantly, Patrick Rhoads**, Ryan Fulsaas***, Phil Laux, and Jesse Whitmer.

Rhoads Mom (or perhaps Dad) posted a quote along the lines of "wrestling at Iowa was a thrill of a lifetime for Patrick". His career included the Iowa Team holding a practice in his HS room, getting a spot start against #1Dieringer, and one season as a starter.

Not understanding why PerezX2 is in the room is to not understand Iowa Wrestling.

* https://books.google.com/books?id=DqxdCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=the+Dakota+Destroyer&source=bl&ots=NxUr6io-9e&sig=PTvOfkXdtHBVk4oYizHb-ddmbr4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF-InT6afXAhUMw4MKHRFqDfMQ6AEIXzAO#v=onepage&q=the Dakota Destroyer&f=false

** https://www.blackheartgoldpants.com...estling-depth-chart-and-remaining-eligibility

*** http://www.vcs.nu/fulsaas/

 

[minnhawkeye]

Have to respect guys like Perez they have to really love the sport.
They know it will help them in future with there life as it teaches so many
things that you need in life.
Also we don't know what he is planning in the future maybe he wants to be a coach and not many places better to learn then in the Iowa room

 

[nearfall2]

I echo everyone else to appreciates and celebrates those individuals who are willing to train every day with little chance of being a starter but train to be ready when needed. Not every wrestler is Chris Campbell, Mark Ironside, The Dakota Destroyer* or Cory Clark. Iowa Wrestling needs guys like Faraan Brantly, Patrick Rhoads**, Ryan Fulsaas***, Phil Laux, and Jesse Whitmer.

Rhoads Mom (or perhaps Dad) posted a quote along the lines of "wrestling at Iowa was a thrill of a lifetime for Patrick". His career included the Iowa Team holding a practice in his HS room, getting a spot start against #1Dieringer, and one season as a starter.

Not understanding why PerezX2 is in the room is to not understand Iowa Wrestling.

* https://books.google.com/books?id=DqxdCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA120&lpg=PA120&dq=the+Dakota+Destroyer&source=bl&ots=NxUr6io-9e&sig=PTvOfkXdtHBVk4oYizHb-ddmbr4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF-InT6afXAhUMw4MKHRFqDfMQ6AEIXzAO#v=onepage&q=the Dakota Destroyer&f=false

** https://www.blackheartgoldpants.com...estling-depth-chart-and-remaining-eligibility

*** http://www.vcs.nu/fulsaas/

According to some poster a few days ago (I'm too lazy to look it up) Jesse Whitmer and Cal Sanderf** are even in college careers. Both have 4 NCAA titles. Have to love good logic.

 

[SPOONER]

It may be ignorance, but you still sound like a huge douche and a disgrace to the fan base. Why question the presence of anyone in the room (barring serious misconduct) ??

If you really wanted to know the value of a room workout partner you could have asked; rather than call out why a specific wrestler is there based upon two scores??? A lot of good wrestlers have been teched by Hawk starters.

Why is he there? Because he is currently 2nd string. If Stick gets injured, he is the difference between fielding a wrestler or forfeiting.

This. And the odd thing is that it isn’t as if other sports are drastically different in that regard. Like Football, for instance.

 

[PAiaHwkFan]

It may be ignorance, but you still sound like a huge douche and a disgrace to the fan base. Why question the presence of anyone in the room (barring serious misconduct) ??

If you really wanted to know the value of a room workout partner you could have asked; rather than call out why a specific wrestler is there based upon two scores??? A lot of good wrestlers have been teched by Hawk starters.

Why is he there? Because he is currently 2nd string. If Stick gets injured, he is the difference between fielding a wrestler or forfeiting.

If I’m a douche and a disgrace for thinking, for example, Gilman drilling/practicing with Clark instead of Perez isn’t more valuable, than I’m happy to be a douche and not associated with some Iowa fans. As a lifetime Hawkeyes fan, maybe I’ll stick to PA wrestling, because it’s taught me the better the competition in the room, the better the wrestler. If you’re telling me Spencer Lee gets more out of a Perez type than a Gilman/Clark type, than maybe that’s why Iowa isn’t currently the Iowa I expect. Good riddance to this board ... only took a week to run off a diehard fan.

 

[sstark46]

A die-hard fan wouldn't question the value and dedication a guy like Perez Perez brings to the team

 

[PAiaHwkFan]

A die-hard fan wouldn't question the value and dedication a guy like Perez Perez brings to the team

Blah, blah bullshit ... never questioned Perez

 

[SPOONER]

If I’m a douche and a disgrace for thinking, for example, Gilman drilling/practicing with Clark instead of Perez isn’t more valuable, than I’m happy to be a douche and not associated with some Iowa fans. As a lifetime Hawkeyes fan, maybe I’ll stick to PA wrestling, because it’s taught me the better the competition in the room, the better the wrestler. If you’re telling me Spencer Lee gets more out of a Perez type than a Gilman/Clark type, than maybe that’s why Iowa isn’t currently the Iowa I expect. Good riddance to this board ... only took a week to run off a diehard fan.

No one is telling you that. Total straw man.

You don’t think PSU and the OSUs have room guys also? Remember when PSU recently lost their 133 pounder due to injury and literally lost every match at that weight the rest of the year?

Now that I’ve re-read your post it’s clear why you’re here.

 

[SPOONER]

Blah, blah bullshit ... never questioned Perez

Oh?

Yesterday at 10:29 AM: “Not at all trying to be an arse, but I don't see the value of having Perez in the room.”

 

[PAiaHwkFan]

Yo ...

Oh?

Yesterday at 10:29 AM: “Not at all trying to be an arse, but I don't see the value of having Perez in the room.”

Never questioned the man, questioned his wrestling ability .. if that doesn’t hold water, what does? Honestly, does he win a Big 10 match if he’s the guy?

 

[PAiaHwkFan]

Never thought there’d be so many snowflakes in here. I’ll stick to Iowa wrestling, and leave this board to y’all.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Yo ...

Never questioned the man, questioned his wrestling ability .. if that doesn’t hold water, what does? Honestly, does he win a Big 10 match if he’s the guy?

I think you'd be well advised to just let this go.

 

[PAiaHwkFan]

I’ll leave it with this .... Mr. Perez. If you happen to read this, congrats on being a Hawkeye and for leaving blood, sweat and tears in that room - words can’t show the heart you’ve put into something you love. God Bless you, your teammates and family. Go Hawkeyes!

 

[SPOONER]

Yo ...

Never questioned the man, questioned his wrestling ability .. if that doesn’t hold water, what does? Honestly, does he win a Big 10 match if he’s the guy?

Does the fact that everyone has Pérez types on the team matter at all? He might not win a big 10 match if we needed him. Just like you said. Kind of like what happened to PSU when they lost their 133 pounder.

You’re being critical of Iowa for having Pérez on the roster even though every other program in America has Pérez’s on their team. And being a little bitch about it for some odd reason, I might add.

 

[andegre]

It may be ignorance, but you still sound like a huge douche and a disgrace to the fan base. Why question the presence of anyone in the room (barring serious misconduct) ??

If you really wanted to know the value of a room workout partner you could have asked; rather than call out why a specific wrestler is there based upon two scores??? A lot of good wrestlers have been teched by Hawk starters.

Why is he there? Because he is currently 2nd string. If Stick gets injured, he is the difference between fielding a wrestler or forfeiting.

If I’m a douche and a disgrace for thinking, for example, Gilman drilling/practicing with Clark instead of Perez isn’t more valuable, than I’m happy to be a douche and not associated with some Iowa fans. As a lifetime Hawkeyes fan, maybe I’ll stick to PA wrestling, because it’s taught me the better the competition in the room, the better the wrestler. If you’re telling me Spencer Lee gets more out of a Perez type than a Gilman/Clark type, than maybe that’s why Iowa isn’t currently the Iowa I expect. Good riddance to this board ... only took a week to run off a diehard fan.

Do you realize it takes more scholly money (that we may not have) to get better backups? If you want better backups at certain weights, then you're taking away potential money for starter/aa caliber wrestlers at other weights. BrandsX2 are trying to balance that out.

When PSU started their run, theyir backups were NOWHERE near what they are now.

When we start winning again, we'll be able to spread our money out more while keeping/getting better starters too.

 

[JustWrestle133]

Yo ...

Never questioned the man, questioned his wrestling ability .. if that doesn’t hold water, what does? Honestly, does he win a Big 10 match if he’s the guy?

I find it interesting that Iowa with Perez, Ohio State with NaTo at 133 or injured, and Penn State post Suriano transfer could have had the 3 worst records in the BIG at 125. Who would win those matches could decide the outcome of some duals. That is why guys like Perez are important/

That obviously won't happen with NaTo and Stickley being good to go at 125 weight wise. I just thought that was interesting and illustrates why having guys like Perez Perez are valuable to a program. Also, why Ohio State recruited about a dozen 125's recently and why Penn State did the same at both 125 and 133.

 

[TarpHawk]

I think the reactions to PAia are over the top.

Having a mix of talent levels in the room is fine. It mixes up the intensity of workouts, and even someone with lesser wrestling skills may be great at arena sprints or motivating others, etc.

There is obviously a point at which a person is so overmatched that he doesn't help anyone. And all else equal, I'd rather have another great body in the room.

I think people are mostly upset that PAia called someone out by name. Even so, who cares? It's not like Perez is going to have his feelings hurt.

 

[MVPFAN]

I think the reactions to PAia are over the top.

Having a mix of talent levels in the room is fine. It mixes up the intensity of workouts, and even someone with lesser wrestling skills may be great at arena sprints or motivating others, etc.

There is obviously a point at which a person is so overmatched that he doesn't help anyone. And all else equal, I'd rather have another great body in the room.

I think people are mostly upset that PAia called someone out by name. Even so, who cares? It's not like Perez is going to have his feelings hurt.

I agree. If people took the time they would see he made a couple good follow up posts to his original comment yesterday. It did not need to be brought back up again to have another bunch of people tell him the same shit he already addressed. Like having 8 different bosses telling you to get your TPS reports done.

Hopefully PAiahwkfan will stick it out and contribute to the board.

 

[Gusaford]

As Ron Ziegler, Nixon's press secretary, once said: "If my answers sound confusing, I think they are confusing because the questions are confusing and the situation is confusing – and I'm not in a position to clarify it."

 

[IAChief32]

find it interesting that Iowa with Perez, Ohio State with NaTo at 133 or injured, and Penn State post Suriano transfer could have had the 3 worst records in the BIG at 125.

Good thing Stickley won the starting spot.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

I find it interesting that Iowa with Perez, Ohio State with NaTo at 133 or injured, and Penn State post Suriano transfer could have had the 3 worst records in the BIG at 125. Who would win those matches could decide the outcome of some duals. That is why guys like Perez are important/

That obviously won't happen with NaTo and Stickley being good to go at 125 weight wise. I just thought that was interesting and illustrates why having guys like Perez Perez are valuable to a program. Also, why Ohio State recruited about a dozen 125's recently and why Penn State did the same at both 125 and 133.

Some teams like PSU and tO$U don't care about winning dual me

I agree. If people took the time they would see he made a couple good follow up posts to his original comment yesterday. It did not need to be brought back up again to have another bunch of people tell him the same shit he already addressed. Like having 8 different bosses telling you to get your TPS reports done.

Hopefully PAiahwkfan will stick it out and contribute to the board.

Sometimes when you make a controversial post it is best to let the dust settle and reattack a couple days later - or just delete it. God bless us everyone ...

 

[wasdt21]

if you are gonna get your panties bunched, might not not be the place for you.

 

[lookleft goright]

if you are gonna get your panties bunched, might not not be the place for you.

Is there a good place to be to get your panties bunched?
Asking for a friend.

 

[rossel 33]

Yo ...

Never questioned the man, questioned his wrestling ability .. if that doesn’t hold water, what does? Honestly, does he win a Big 10 match if he’s the guy?

Yeah... c'mon snowflakes.... he never questioned "the man" .... just questioned Perez

did I get that right?

 

[stangs_sb]

I was lucky enough to spend this weekend in Iowa City. I attended the wrestle offs on Friday, coaches clinic on Friday evening, wrestle offs on Saturday and the football game. I don't post on here much as i just like reading the post and getting everyone's thoughts on stuff, but I'm on a Hawkeye high right now so I'll just add my 2 cents in on what I saw:

125: I was very impressed by Stickley. One of my co-coaches told me last year to watch out for him, he will be a good one in the future. I saw someone said that he reminded him of McD, I was thinking a little like Lizak, but I'll take the McD comparison.
133: not much to add
141: Turk is our guy, not much to add about him. I will add a little bit about Murin. Great match with Turk. I loved his competitiveness. He doesn't like to lose(which I'm sure nobody does) but after the match he sat against the wall with his head in his hands. Sounds stupid for me to post this, but he just looks like he is the type of kid that will do anything to be successful. I'm very excited about him.
149: not much to add. Sorensen added a pretty sick ankle pick, at least i don't remember him hitting it last year. He hit it quite a few times Friday.
157: STUD
165: Excited for Marinelli
174: Nothing to add. Gunther is so tough to score on. Pretty boring to watch, but he wins. I was hoping for more from this match, kind of like everyone else I'm sure.
184: nothing to add
197: Fun weight to watch. Warner is the real deal. I liked Wilcke's action and movement. He wrestles like a light weight in my opinion. He will do fine at 197 this year and hopefully go 184 next year.
HWT: pretty boring match. What stood out to me was how good Stool looked. He looked like he weights about 260 or so. A lot trimmer and stronger. I'm excited to see him go all year.

Some side notes: Tom is a such a great guy. I was able to talk with him for just a bit. I used to go to his and Terry's camps in Sheldon back in the 90's and he talked with me like were old pals. Asking about how things are in NW Iowa and about farming mainly. HAHA, we were interrupted by a young wrestler and I was able to listen to him have a great conversation with his youngster. Tom asked him if he could get anything for him and told him he was welcomed back anytime. Tom goes from young kid to young kid, just making their day. It was awesome.

Finally, the coaching clinic was great. Strittmatter was awesome. Lots of good stuff. Really enjoyed watching and listening to him.

Oh, and the football game was OK i guess.

 

[Jaybird319]

Good stuff right there!

 

[texas twister]

Yeah... c'mon snowflakes.... he never questioned "the man" .... just questioned Perez

did I get that right?

How about we just let it fade into the sunset. Got my Big10 plus subscription today. Ready for some Iowa City duals.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Just a thought, a true 'die-hard fan' doesn't quit after a week. Not questioning the poster, just his action.

 

[artradley]

Wilcke's duck under was awesome. Surprised nobody had mentioned it earlier. Thought he looked bigger and more aggressive than last year.

From what I saw last year Wilcke seemed to have a number of very slick moves in his arsenal -- far more than I usually see in a big guy. But he didn't seem to be able to execute any of them against better competition. If he can turn the corner on that he could be a very fun guy to watch and a big factor in the team's success.

 

[woodsiding]

I was lucky enough to spend this weekend in Iowa City. I attended the wrestle offs on Friday, coaches clinic on Friday evening, wrestle offs on Saturday and the football game. I don't post on here much as i just like reading the post and getting everyone's thoughts on stuff, but I'm on a Hawkeye high right now so I'll just add my 2 cents in on what I saw:

125: I was very impressed by Stickley. One of my co-coaches told me last year to watch out for him, he will be a good one in the future. I saw someone said that he reminded him of McD, I was thinking a little like Lizak, but I'll take the McD comparison.
133: not much to add
141: Turk is our guy, not much to add about him. I will add a little bit about Murin. Great match with Turk. I loved his competitiveness. He doesn't like to lose(which I'm sure nobody does) but after the match he sat against the wall with his head in his hands. Sounds stupid for me to post this, but he just looks like he is the type of kid that will do anything to be successful. I'm very excited about him.
149: not much to add. Sorensen added a pretty sick ankle pick, at least i don't remember him hitting it last year. He hit it quite a few times Friday.
157: STUD
165: Excited for Marinelli
174: Nothing to add. Gunther is so tough to score on. Pretty boring to watch, but he wins. I was hoping for more from this match, kind of like everyone else I'm sure.
184: nothing to add
197: Fun weight to watch. Warner is the real deal. I liked Wilcke's action and movement. He wrestles like a light weight in my opinion. He will do fine at 197 this year and hopefully go 184 next year.
HWT: pretty boring match. What stood out to me was how good Stool looked. He looked like he weights about 260 or so. A lot trimmer and stronger. I'm excited to see him go all year.

Some side notes: Tom is a such a great guy. I was able to talk with him for just a bit. I used to go to his and Terry's camps in Sheldon back in the 90's and he talked with me like were old pals. Asking about how things are in NW Iowa and about farming mainly. HAHA, we were interrupted by a young wrestler and I was able to listen to him have a great conversation with his youngster. Tom asked him if he could get anything for him and told him he was welcomed back anytime. Tom goes from young kid to young kid, just making their day. It was awesome.

Finally, the coaching clinic was great. Strittmatter was awesome. Lots of good stuff. Really enjoyed watching and listening to him.

Oh, and the football game was OK i guess.

Good post. My thoughts on 133 and 174: obviously it was a close match, and laux does look more physical. This is the type of thing where I could see it playing out for a while, but I hope it doesnt. We've seen Laux and know where that ceiling is. There are no ncaa points there, might as well go all in on glynn and see how he develops. There is little to lose.

Young and gunther, I see the opposite. Both have shown some good matches, I think it'll take some common opponents to sort out.

 

[ih8iast8]

Just a thought, a true 'die-hard fan' doesn't quit after a week. Not questioning the poster, just his action.

Don't tell that to the Iowa football fans. It is regular menstrual cycle on that board.

 

[IAChief32]

From what I saw last year Wilcke seemed to have a number of very slick moves in his arsenal -- far more than I usually see in a big guy. But he didn't seem to be able to execute any of them against better competition. If he can turn the corner on that he could be a very fun guy to watch and a big factor in the team's success.

Wish we had video of that duck on Warner. It was more money than DayHawk’s 401K.

 

[hawkster03]

Sorry I'm a little behind, is Warner going to wrestle this year?????? Redshirt??