He's definately a fixer-upper.
Downey just tweeted that he wants tobe a Hawkeye
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Does he wanna be a hawk for the wrestling or the girls? Let's just save everyone the headache and police paperwork and keep him out of IC.
I like it. Setup some strict guidelines for staying on the team and see if you can give the guy some guidance. He is seriously talented enough to make world teams. It is not like you are building the team around him. We have a core of guys that are not going to be taken astray by 1 guy. Also, it is not like he doesn't know what he is signing up for.
He is a "me first" guy. Wrestling is a somewhat selfish sport, but he takes it to another level
I honestly don't care what kind of conversations they have with him. Multiple assault charges before enrolling in school, kicked out of Nebraska for fighting, Kicked off Iowa State's team for being a cancer. There is nothing he could say that would make me comfortable with his presence around the team. Wrestling for a D1 program is a privilege not a right, and he's had plenty of chances. His rap sheet is 10x what Andrew Long's was, and we know the way this board likes to hold that over Cael's head.
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This definitely seems like a move to bolster the HWC.
Plus, remember, there is a flip-side to this. If Tom, Perry, M* and Terry manage to keep Downey "clean" during his time under them, they come out looking like saviors. Who knows if they spent time together at the Trials and saw something we can't.
Obviously, this could all be unfounded conjecture. But, I do see a positive side to this.
Plus, remember, there is a flip-side to this. If Tom, Perry, M* and Terry manage to keep Downey "clean" during his time under them, they come out looking like saviors. Who knows if they spent time together at the Trials and saw something we can't.
Obviously, this could all be unfounded conjecture. But, I do see a positive side to this.
After that amazing Tom Brands article a couple weeks ago maybe TnT are the right people for PD? It would be a remarkable story if he changes his life around. Also after Christmas lineup (once PD graduates)...
25 Wags/Stickley
33 Laux
41 Turk/Happel
49 BS
57 Kemdog
65 Bull
74 Young
84 Wicke
97 PD
HWT Stoll
There is no sense in bringing in a clown during a rebuilding year! Simply dont need a young Warner being anywhere around him. Team chemistry never needs a proven distraction.
Like all people not being the one whom is actually responsible, I like it if it works out and hate it if it doesn't! 
By the way, I like that the smiley face is Green & White. It is about the only way I can make the colors remotely relevant on this boar!
By the way, I like that the smiley face is Green & White. It is about the only way I can make the colors remotely relevant on this boar!
TnT MAY be able to handle PD3 but don't forget that PD2 comes along with him. Should make this board a lively place if he continues past behaviors.
I think it's a bad idea, but I'll trust the staff no matter what they decide with Downey. The Brands are great men and the Hawks would be the best possible place for PD3 if they will have him.
Warner and the other recruits we've been pulling in are high character kids. They won't take after idiots.
That said, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Iowa is one of the only places in the country where a guy like PDIII can get "rehabilitated"
Brands and Co. will have zero tolerance with any crap, and I feel there is a mounting culture of being a great wrestler as well as a great human being surrounding the Iowa program. PDIII will sink or swim if he were ever to come here, no middle ground.
Another big factor I think is that Iowa doesn't need PDIII, but PDIII desperatley needs an Iowa or some program with a good RTC. Kid obviously has international freestyle aspirations. At ISU, I think he got off on the idea that he was their only real AA threat, so he did his own thing, thinking the coaches needed him. Definitely, would not be the case at Iowa.
IF he were to come here, it'd be at little risk to us, and we'd have no problem washing our hands of him very quickly if he got out of line again. Hate to say it, but the risk/ reward is there with PDIII.
Like they say in poker, we'd have "pot odds" here
I wonder how many will eat crow and cheer and be very happy he is a Hawkeye when he joins and possibly wins a national title come March?
The dude doesn't lack confidence or talent. I welcome him with open arms if he has his act together and will make our team better. I didn't realize that many people on this board haven't done any wrongs in their life.
If it doesn't work out its easier to kick him off the team if he does become a cancer.
The dude doesn't lack confidence or talent. I welcome him with open arms if he has his act together and will make our team better. I didn't realize that many people on this board haven't done any wrongs in their life.
If it doesn't work out its easier to kick him off the team if he does become a cancer.
I'll buy purple and join the Panther Train, or even cheer for PSU before I cheer for Downey in a Black and Gold Singlet.
I'm rooting for this just because of this fact. If you think PSU fans spend a lot of time here now, just wait and see what happens if PD2 starts making appearances. My work day productivity will drop to near zero.
After viewing some of the threads he contributed to on the moribund ISU board, Brody Grothus' thread will seem like a one page essay compared to the novels he is going to generate. Would be the greatest development in the history of message boards. C'mon PD3 - study hard!!!!!
Somebody get on the horn to San Souci. I'm sure some of that HWC earmarked money can be diverted to pay for travel arrangements if needed for any meetings on the bridge. And if we need to dip into the PSU slush fund for 21guns we've got plenty of cash to spare.
Anyone ever been preemptively banned from HR? Asking for a friend....
But, if PD3 was on your team, PD2 might finally give you his suggestions on how to improve your rankings.
First of all,What is RPTA for a college major and the Brands gave Cooper another chance and he kept his nose clean. I trust them to make the right choice with PD3. I don't know what the right choice is, but I trust they will make it.
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Ha, no kidding. I know he said a few times he'd "check my math" and offer his suggestions....which he never did. He claims/claimed he was an engineer, did he really mean a train engineer (and that may still be insulting train engineers)? Because that would have made more sense.
#ThanksButNoThanks
I love the PD3 persona...as long as it's not on my team.
I love the PD3 persona...as long as it's not on my team.
Let me refer back to a Sunday thread where I said how great it would be to have David Taylor in the HWC. Your response:
"Keep Taylor away from this program. He is the exact opposite of Brands and what I think Iowa stands for. He comes off cheesy and phoney. He also has a real knack for losing the BIG matches. Burrough, Dake, Cox, Bubba. Sure when he outclasses guys he rolls through them, but when guys can match him talentwise he has real issues."
DonHawkeye, Sunday at 12:14 PM
So, to catch up.
Pat Downey would be fine, he's talented. Would receive some guidance and learn from a solid core around him.
David Taylor would be a flat no, he's cheesy and a phoney.
Well, to be fair, Downey did behave better at the WTT last weekend.
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lol that's awesome. Thumbs up to Downey but a flat no to David Taylor. Lol
Why anyone thinks putting this absolute jack wagon on the team--a young team--after he's failed chance after chance is beyond me. Iowa should be better than that.
I once took a single 5 semester hour course in the summer at Iowa. It met for 4 hours per day and had accelerated homework as well. I can't imagine he is going to pass 14 sh of legitimate coursework in half the time.
My guess is that the coaches are humoring him. If he wants to bust his balls and essentially walk on at the HWC, then fine. But he will never again have college eligibility.
My guess is that the coaches are humoring him. If he wants to bust his balls and essentially walk on at the HWC, then fine. But he will never again have college eligibility.
Well if there is one thing that Downey isn't it is fake.
Also if Taylor had college eligibility I would welcome him for a semester and hope The Brands would wipe the Cael phoney stench off him.
Also if Taylor had college eligibility I would welcome him for a semester and hope The Brands would wipe the Cael phoney stench off him.
Sounds good to me. Give him 1 shot, if he screws up, he gone, no harm no foul right?
I'm in the Downey camp because, like some have already stated, Iowa would be the place to "tame the beast". The dude just needs some proper guidance. I can't speak too much on the NE ordeal, but the ISU situation was doomed from the start. Past coaches have told me the Iowa room would be outstanding for him. For what it's worth... With that being said, one MAJOR situation that's being overlooked, is that he would need to qualify for grad school (GRE etc.) after already completeling the long list of standards stared by previous posters. Uphill battle to say the least...
I agree with your argument. But is it worth the risk for at most, 3 months of wrestling? I think the energy spent on developing Holloway & the reps he would get would be more valuable.
My point would be moot if this happened last yr & Stoll was still healthy. Adding Downey won't propell us into competing with PSU for the championship next season.
I don't agree that Iowa is some better place to tame beasts, or any other silly analogies that is getting thrown around. There's been bad apples there too.
From all accounts, PDIII looked up to KJ as a mentor, if not a father figure, and still found a way to jack it up. I don't see the Brands' having some magic Downey formula.
Hard pass.
KJ let him do whatever he wanted. let's just say neither guy was at practice all the time
Highly doubt Brands runs the Iowa room like a boot camp. He's going to allow his wrestlers to make big boy decisions. Downey clearly is not able to do that at this time. This is a waste of everyone's time, and could potentially alienate our upper weight guys.
Can't argue with the timeline of things, and I don't see it propelling us into contention with PSU next year either, but I'm looking to the future as well. 3 extra months in the Iowa room before transitioning into the HWC would be priceless (for him and us) IMO. It would also help in the development of Holloway if you believe he's the future. I do not.
I'm not sold. I'm basing my comments soley on the chance that there have been discussions between him and the staff, and that they would/could have a plan. That, and what previous coaches have told me in regards to him as a person and his undeniable talent.
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