Oh it's happening boys! Buckle up! Fix saw the wounded deer that Spencer is and decided to go the route that gives him the best chance of winning it all, and that means going 125lbs and stepping on that deers neck! Can't blame him!
Fix to 125
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Spencer is an animal. His knees are better than most suspect. His conditioning needs work. March is a long way off, and a long string of bonus wins between now and then will help get him there. Noone is a threat at 125 including any of the 133s skinnied down. I think 2 ACLs and a year off have numbed everyone's memories a bit. Do I think Spencer is the best wrestler of this decade? No, I am not drinking that cool aide. Do I think he is at a level all by himself at 125 in 2023? He is literally 2 levels above everyone else.
PS - noone is prepared to do battle with Spencer. He is that much stronger. Maybe if Dayton were still a natural 125 and he had 2-3 prior bouts under his belt, he could develop a strategy to keep it close into the third. That hasn't helped with RBY. Getting one shot at Spencer at nationals has to be a shocker to the system.
PS - noone is prepared to do battle with Spencer. He is that much stronger. Maybe if Dayton were still a natural 125 and he had 2-3 prior bouts under his belt, he could develop a strategy to keep it close into the third. That hasn't helped with RBY. Getting one shot at Spencer at nationals has to be a shocker to the system.
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I'd rather see them hit heads and double-forfeit, but that won't happen because they'd both have to take a shot for it to happen.
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I agree with the above and i don't think he's descending to 125.
However, you can look at it this way if you're Fix; The three days weighing in at 125 would be brutal. However, he could look at the field at 125 and think he can get through the semis at less than 100%. Then weigh in Saturday morning and start getting ready for Saturday night. I'm not saying Fix would ever do anything like this but...
The fact the wrestlers have to make weight three straight days, although they do get a pound each day is brutal for the hard weight cutters. The matches in question are always the morning matches after the second weigh in on the second day. They make weight and are getting ready for the first and second rounds and then have to make weight the next day after their weights jump from getting ready for round two... This fact alone causes many upsets because the opponents get tougher.... I do believe that if they can make it past the best guys in the morning matches and into the finals, that a 10-12 pound weight gain is in the cards, but that goes for both wrestlers, so not much of an advantage. If one guy gains 15 and the other guy 12--so what... If you're comparing Spencer, he is not a small 125 any longer and the difference is visible, so he will also be much larger for the finals as well. The best wrestler on that day is going to win the finals and weight really won't matter in my opinion. If anything, Spencer will be one of the bigger guys now.
Why is that funny? It’s not like it is suspicions or rumors… It’s documented that he has been caught cheating.
There is a debate to be had there for sure. I think the standard for Lee is absurdly high with fans and wrestling media compared to other wrestlers. How many wrestler's opponents get complimented in how they look when getting teched? Or, wrestler A didn't tech or pin a guy, therefore something must be wrong with him. Since this a Fix thread, I'll use him as an example. So far this year, Fix has had regular decisions against Phipps, Nagao, Palmer, Rich and Redding. Nobody bats an eyelash. Same with Yianni. As a comparison, Lee has had 3 regular decisions since the 2020 season.
Lee is the most scrutinized wrestler I've ever seen. This is partly due to him being a Hawk but also because of how great he is.
Suriano was already wrestling 57 kg and Michigan had Ragusin wrestling 133. Not exactly apples to apples..
To be fair, it also has to do with the level of competition the last couple of years at 125. That's not a knock on Spencer. It's just a perception, real or not.
To be fair, Phipps, Nagao, Palmer, Rich and Redding are not challenging anyone for an NCAA title either.
Honestly, I think it has WAY more to do with the injuries/illnesses that he has gone through most of his career. If you only gauged him off his performances at NCAA's he would be considered right at the very top with Cael. However, he has had moments of considerable vulnerability during the regular season and missing so much time makes even his own fans question him...
VITO Auruja will beat him. Glory possible could too if he is up at 133. I do not think Fix is stupid enough to even think about going to 125? My guess is if he does, he will not even make the finals. He has a snowballs chance in Hell at beating SL!
This was almost a likable post till the, " Do I think he is the best wrestler of the decade part!?!?!"
Here we go AGAIN! Please everyone, go back and LOOK at what this kid has done! He has done it at less then 100% his entire college career. There is not even a single wrestler in the modern era(after WWII) that could do what he has done!
When I think of SL, I can not help but think of the great Mariano Rivera. These guys are SOOOOO far and away better that it is almost unimaginable. I think there is a stat that more men have walked on the moon then scored against Rivera in the post season.
That is what links them together for me. When the brightest lights are on, they are at their very best. Please see B1Gs and NCAAs!!!
Lee when healthy has to be considered one of the most dominant ever at 125. I don't think that can be questioned. The question of his health is one that has yet to be answered. His trap arm tilt is a thing of beauty. His natural strength and feel for where his position is uncanny. That I won't have haven't questioned. His health is a question mark. If he is like most wrestlers coming off major injury even he isn't sure what his health really is. Does he trust his knees or his gas tank when he needs them? The world will never know....
As much as it pains me, gotta say rby. I’ll never root for a cheat. I don’t like how rby wrestles the other world beaters but at least he doesn’t take PED’s.
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Which piss filled cool aid are you drinking then? I don’t think anybody in the past 10 years, 20 years, 50 years could’ve done what Spencer has done so far with his injuries. That’s pure talent. I can think of 2 other wrestlers that I could see someone saying have been better than Spencer in the past 10 years of college wrestling but even they wouldn’t have done half of what Lee has done so far in the same shoes.
And to be fair, I think the perception of the talent at 125 is skewed because we compare everyone to the top guy, which has been Spencer the past several years.To be fair, it also has to do with the level of competition the last couple of years at 125. That's not a knock on Spencer. It's just a perception, real or not.
To be fair, Phipps, Nagao, Palmer, Rich and Redding are not challenging anyone for an NCAA title either.
How many NCAA finals do you think Glory, Courtney, and Mueller would have won in the last 20 years? It is what it is. Nothing against Lee. He may very well won over all those past champions. But I doubt it.
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"Two raccoons and an elephant..."
Uh, WHAT?
You don't want to know. Trust me on this.
Cherry picking. How many ncaa finals do you think suriano would’ve won? Or tomasello for that matter. Oh, wait…
Suriano at least started his collegiate career at 125. Fix has been a 133 lifer. Not to mention Mastro is a potential top 5ish wrestler at 125. He’s going to struggle to score any team points at 133. If it’s happening it’s a terrible move for Okie St
I'd at least take Suriano over Cruz and Donahoe. Not that I'm a fan of Nicky Pushups.
Donahoe wrestled the tournament of his life that year with home field advantage. You put Suriano in that bracket and there would have been a very strong chance he wouldn't even reach the Finals to even have a chance to beat Donahoe. Donahoe beat Tanner Gardner, Troy Nickerson and then Sam Hazewinkle his last 3 matches to win it all that year. Mind you Hazewinkle beat Jayson Ness 10-0 the match before and Nickerson shut out Angel Escobedo in the Quarters to get to Paul.
That was one super solid bracket that I would recommend rescinding using the winner as an example of a weaker champ.
I absolutely could see him dropping, however, doing it for B12's makes no sense whatsoever. You need 15 matches at the weight to get an RPI, 5 for the Coaches poll and 8 for win%. If he's dropping, you would think he would have already started. As mentioned earlier, it's at least a 4 week decent. Best case is maybe a mid 20's to high teens seed if Fix drops for B12. Same goes for Glory if he does not start getting matches in at 125. Forget a 1-2-3 scenario. We could see a semi final match as early as the second round.
Maybe they'll just hold a Kevin Dresser Open the week before. Get a few good wins in against some watermelons with eyes.
They could call it the Soldier Salute II.
But, it would only have any accuracy to it if you actually wrestled the version of that wrestler when he won it all. Spencer Lee is the perfect current example and if you go back a ways, more in keeping in line with this exercise, J. Jaggers would be Exhibit A and Quentin Wright Exhibit B. Those guy turned into a wrecking ball at NCAA's after having rather lackluster regular season performances...
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