Not only that but Molinaro is smaller than Nolf. Not sure that is the best prep for the strength of IMar.
Molinaro atleast looks the part.
Flo - 141 rankings
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Molinaro atleast looks the part.
I throw this question out; At 141 is Brody an upgrade over Dziewa? Notwithstanding the regular season success he had at 149, will Brody be a better wrestler at 141 that Josh was after a fairly significant weight cut? Does anyone recall how there head to head matchups went in the room? Not that there head to head matchups matter that much just curious.
I'm having trouble sleeping at night waiting for the news of how Nico's battles with McIntosh go.
Remember when B Nickal came back from Jr World and was practicing with Snyder. He came back and said McCutheon was just as good or better than Snyder. Another post from the PSU board.
And the thread title references 141 rankings. The only recent post I can visualize is Tank with the head slap followed by Tank looking at the lights in CHA. Damn that was funny.
Nolf is great. Ranking him #1 ahead of Imar was sarcasm.
That is the million-dollar (or at least 15-20-point) question.
That is the million-dollar (or at least 15-20-point) question.
I wish I could see that battle sloe, I'll take Nico getting beat by somebody any way we can get it.
I'm a huge fan of Nolf, but until I see it in person I can't pick him to beat Imar. A few things to consider
1. Nolf is an extremely gifted offensive wrestle that is able to chain wrestle the way few can. Imar was as good at wrestling through positions as anyone I have seen since David Taylor. It is a natural feel that not many wrestlers have and Nolf doesn't have an edge on Imar in this category even though he is very good here.
2. Nolf has a great motor, but so does Imar. Didn't see Imar gas against anyone he wrestled last year
3. Nolf is very good on top, but I didn't see anyone ride Imar for any significant amount of time last year. Imar also rode extremely good wrestlers like dogs when he needed to. World bronze medalist James Green is still trying to get out.
It really comes down to Imar simply being better than Nolf at his own game. I view them as similar wrestlers, but Imar is more battle tested and more explosive. Everything that Nolf is doing, Imar is doing at a higher pace. I might be wrong, but nothing I have seen can lead me to logically pick Nolf over Imar at this point.
1. Nolf is an extremely gifted offensive wrestle that is able to chain wrestle the way few can. Imar was as good at wrestling through positions as anyone I have seen since David Taylor. It is a natural feel that not many wrestlers have and Nolf doesn't have an edge on Imar in this category even though he is very good here.
2. Nolf has a great motor, but so does Imar. Didn't see Imar gas against anyone he wrestled last year
3. Nolf is very good on top, but I didn't see anyone ride Imar for any significant amount of time last year. Imar also rode extremely good wrestlers like dogs when he needed to. World bronze medalist James Green is still trying to get out.
It really comes down to Imar simply being better than Nolf at his own game. I view them as similar wrestlers, but Imar is more battle tested and more explosive. Everything that Nolf is doing, Imar is doing at a higher pace. I might be wrong, but nothing I have seen can lead me to logically pick Nolf over Imar at this point.
Nolf should be in the same conversation as Marstellar at this point. Not IMar.
157 rankings are out - Flo . I have to agree more with these than some other rankings.. PSU fans probably going berserk Nolf is "only" ranked 7. Interesting Chance rolls in at 11.
They must have forgot about Cooper ;-). It's going to be tough for Ed to AA, but maybe he can sneak into the R12.
4 freshman in the top 20...hmmmm
They must have forgot about Cooper ;-). It's going to be tough for Ed to AA, but maybe he can sneak into the R12.
4 freshman in the top 20...hmmmm
Nolf should not be in the same conversation as IMar at this point. And Marstellar should not be in the same conversation as Nolf at this point. To suggest otherwise, pretty much disregards actual results from the 2014 season. Wins and losses.
I think putting Nolf and Marsteller in the same conversation is fine. Last years results are not drastically different nor are they very telling.
Yeah, Nolf took 2nd at the Scuffle while Marstellar took 4th (at different weights). Both beat Cornell AA's however it was Realbuto's first match back from injury when Nolf beat him. There only major competition of 2014 saw pretty similar results. I
I remember it being John Doe speaking about Gabe Dean (as Nickal had wrestled him and he's a 184 like Matt M), but carry on. Still Kool-aidish but wanted to set the record straight.
It was Gabe Dean and there should be no "ish" behind Kool-aid. An absolutely absurd statement to make. In BWI's defense, the majority of posters weren't buying it, but a few of the fellow drinkers loved it.
Not a fan of using Freestyle results to project Folkstyle, however this spring in Nolf's first Freestyle meet he bested Marsteller 8 to 5. Depending on your perspective you may or may not want to ignore that.
In JohnDoe's defense, Nickal actually tweeted this. I state this as one of the guys who probably was responsible for JohnDoe's departure and I have not been on the side of the debate on BWI with those who think that JD should be "coddled" over there and not subject to criticism because he does bring some inside info.
Judging from some of Bo's tweets over the past couple of years, he is incredibly supportive of his teammates and their abilities - so it is probably safe to say that any of his tweets should be taken with a grain of salt if you want to look at it objectively. He's a very good teammate who loves to pump up his fellow wrestlers.
Judging from some of Bo's tweets over the past couple of years, he is incredibly supportive of his teammates and their abilities - so it is probably safe to say that any of his tweets should be taken with a grain of salt if you want to look at it objectively. He's a very good teammate who loves to pump up his fellow wrestlers.
Do you really think many posters on HR care?
About facts? From my experience, there are many who do and a few that don't.
Out of curiosity what specifically are the results that separate these two so drastically?
No. The ramblings about how the BWI posters apparently ran off, arguably, their most connected poster. HR is the standard for college wrestling info and some of you "visitors" detract from the conversation by explaining crap about your home forum which brings nothing to the table. You think we care what Nolfe tweets?
Wiest, Trevor Missouri L 5-1
Walsh, Peyton Navy L 8-3
Collica, Anthony OK State L 4-1
Sulzer, Nick VA L 10-3
Also a loss at an instate open to Ryan Blees, but that doesn't go on his official record according to andrege.
Best wins over Dylan Palacio 11-10 and Ethan Ramos 7-5.
Compare that to Nolf
Green, James L 7-4
Wins over Brian Realbuto 7-4, Thomas Gantt 6-1, Russ Parsons 6-1 & Staudenmayer 6-1. A better best win and 3 pretty dominant wins over guys of equal ilk.
I didn't go into freestyle as someone suggested above, but that would only widen the gap.
From a resume standpoint, I stand by my point regarding IMar>Nolf>Marstellar. That's not to say that Chance is not a great wrestler and may prove this wrong in the upcoming season, but that is as much speculation as someone saying Nolf will close the gap on Imar.
Not that it's the end of the matter, but there is a reason that Nolf is ranked #5 in andrege's rankings and Marsteller is 164.
Not that it is germane to your post, but what exactly have you, MitchL, ever brought to the table on the HR?
I remember a dude named Destin McCauley. We will see what Nolf does when he gets there but hell, he might not get out of the big tens.
Bad comparison IMO...Destin never even got to college for a few years. Nolf is on track and placed 2nd at the Scuffle losing only to James Green. Once he gets some live matches under his belt he is going to be a tough out. To be honest, I think he could have AA'd last year at 157.
I hope some of you are right and it's just over hype but he has been top notch any time he has wrestled.
Pfft...That's because you're not insane. I applaud your sanity Sir.
Personally, I use freestyle results when it helps me win an argument.
You can't win an argument using Freestyle results, unless of course you're talking Freestyle.Pfft...
Sloe... so what you're telling me is.. Sorensen actually has a shot vs Retherford and Collica this year and he shouldn't just start focusing on getting 4th, despite the freestyle results?! Absurd.
Or...we can go with why are we after Carter Happel if most of his competition has been smaller school in-state Iowa guys? Carter is ranked high nationally because what he has accomplished in freestyle.
Both Zain and Collica will be a tough out for Brandon. But the reverse is true as well...freestyle or folkstyle, the cream tends to rise to the top. Unless you are St. Paris Graham, who has a murderous schedule and a great reputation, very few guys have the chance to be evaluated by college coaches against national level competition unless its in freestyle.
And conversely if he placed 7th, 5th, 3rd in Iowa Folkstyle and rolled thru "national" Freestyle meets, I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest he isn't ranked so high in National Folkstyle Rankings.
Well I'll stick with Brands on this...Jeremiah Moody has never placed above 3rd in Wisconsin States. He did however, place third in Greco and fourth in freestyle at Fargo. Venture to say that he would have never got a sniff from Iowa unless those national results might foretell something bigger. BTW, not many guys are great in freestyle and dump it in folkstyle and vice versa. Look at Nolf...had never seriously wrestled freestyle but could still hold his own against the top guys at his age and weight class.
Now this is not to say that if I guy gets beat because he gets taken down and caught in a leglace to quickly end it that he sucks. We see a lot of TFs in freestyle whereas a lot of closer matches in folkstyle.
Now this is not to say that if I guy gets beat because he gets taken down and caught in a leglace to quickly end it that he sucks. We see a lot of TFs in freestyle whereas a lot of closer matches in folkstyle.
Never have claimed to be the wealth of info, like you. But there is one difference. HR is our home site and you are just a visitor.
As someone who posts on BWI, you well know this forum is more willing to accept differing points of view. We can't say the same about your plagiarizing moderator, now can we?
Then again... you may still be around for entertainment value only.
When they start wrestling Freestyle in College, I'll give it more consideration. I hope Moody is the next Metcalf, but for now he's pretty much a no risk, high reward type. He isn't "expected" to do anything, and he costs the program about as much as you or I do. I would venture it's a different story to get Happel.
So, this is the second time I have seen this, not sure if it has been you both times or if it's two different people, but what's with the plagiarizing comment? I check BWI almost everyday and I don't understand the comment. He reposts a lot of stuff, but it is just collecting the info for wrestling fans. I assume you are referring to Tom and if soI have no clue what you are talking about, other than being annoyed by jammenz I have never seen anything out of line from him and obviously that's not out of line. Please elaborate.
You accuse someone of something pretty serious in his world and you refuse to explain yourself? Pretty weak!
