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Fran please go

that was part of the reason lot more to it than that.
I have very specific knowledge of that decision making process. Cannot share most of it. You are correct I was citing the fake public cover story. Think of how appalling the real reasons when the flacks had to float that bullshit cover story. The real behind the scenes story is much much less flattering to Iowa.
 
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Whitey was a 6'6 PF when Fran offered as HS junior and whitey ended up 6'9 which changed him from a tweener to a guy with a position. I think Fran got a lucky with the growth spurt. When you are not able to recruit high ranked guys, you take recruiting gambles and sometimes you end up with Whitey or a Garza and sometimes you have a Dailey or a hutton or an ellingson or a dom uhl or a Myer..or name any of the busts Fran has recruited.

I personally think it is obvious Fran has huge bias towards the treatment/playing time of his too boys and I think awarding PT based on DNA instead of merit is unethical and unfair to the players passed over. If a neutral coach were in charge, PMAC would be playing behind both Murrays and CMAC would be deep bench guy barely seeing the court.

Fran is a mediocre coach. Yes, I fear last year was as good as it gets with Fran and in my opinion finishing 3rd in B1G with two NBA level players and then flopping in NCAA along with rest of the B1G was not an example of great coaching.

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Our fanbase is like the worst girlfriend you can possibly imagine.
Nothing would make them happy.
 
First loss to ISU in how many years and the answer is Fran must go? Most thought this would be a down year for us. It may turn out that way but there are a lot of games to play. Turns out the basketball fans are a lot like the football fans.
at least some of these internet what ever they are
 
Iowa doesn't need a new basketball coach, it needs a new fan base! I am ashamed to be associated with 75% of Hawk fans. The Iowa fan base is geting dangerously close to Nebraska levels.

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Over the last 20-25 years, can someone identify a BIG coach (other than Ryan) that has taken their team from middle of the pack to "the next level"? ... on a consistent basis?
 
Over the last 20-25 years, can someone identify a BIG coach (other than Ryan) that has taken their team from middle of the pack to "the next level"? ... on a consistent basis?
Haven't we just ascended to middle of the pack at this point? Is there any hope to reach the next level?

I don't see it. Not without playing some semblance of defense.
 
I have very specific knowledge of that decision making process. Cannot share most of it. You are correct I was citing the fake public cover story. Think of how appalling the real reasons when the flacks had to float that bullshit cover story. The real behind the scenes story is much much less flattering to Iowa.
Why can't you share it? Did you sign a confidentiality form?
 
Over the last 20-25 years, can someone identify a BIG coach (other than Ryan) that has taken their team from middle of the pack to "the next level"? ... on a consistent basis?



Painter, Ryan, Izzo have been consistent contenders for B1G title---before those guys took over, those programs had periods of middle of the pack finishes before flourishing. Michigan had poor run until Belein took over. Matta took an OSU program to national title game and then flamed out.

OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, indiana, MSU, Michigan have all had ncaa final 4s and B1G titles in last 20 years. Purdue has had B1G tie. Maryland has had lot of upper division finishes.

Fran has gotten Iowa to be a 0.500 team in B1G over his 11 years and has made Iowa usually better than the perennial losers like Minnesota, Penn State, Rutgers, Nebraska and sometimes better than a few of the better historical good teams like OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, MSU, Michigan, Purdue, Maryland on their down years.

Fran has never made it to a Sunday game in BTT and he's never made it to sweet16 in NCAA. In conference play, he's had a couple logjam ties for 3rd place with multiple teams and last years clear 3rd place finish in B1G followed by BTT exit in semifinals, and blow out loss in NCAA round of 32, which was his best season at Iowa..

Alford and Davis have same to better B1G records. Fran has benefitted from doormats like Rutgers and Nebraska being added to B1G. Iowa clearly could do worse (lickliter). Could Fran do better than 0.500 B1G if he hired an defense expert as assistant and gave the guy the keys to the operation? Quite possible.
 
Painter, Ryan, Izzo have been consistent contenders for B1G title---before those guys took over, those programs had periods of middle of the pack finishes before flourishing. Michigan had poor run until Belein took over. Matta took an OSU program to national title game and then flamed out.

OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, indiana, MSU, Michigan have all had ncaa final 4s and B1G titles in last 20 years. Purdue has had B1G tie. Maryland has had lot of upper division finishes.

Fran has gotten Iowa to be a 0.500 team in B1G over his 11 years and has made Iowa usually better than the perennial losers like Minnesota, Penn State, Rutgers, Nebraska and sometimes better than a few of the better historical good teams like OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, MSU, Michigan, Purdue, Maryland on their down years.

Fran has never made it to a Sunday game in BTT and he's never made it to sweet16 in NCAA. In conference play, he's had a couple logjam ties for 3rd place with multiple teams and last years clear 3rd place finish in B1G followed by BTT exit in semifinals, and blow out loss in NCAA round of 32, which was his best season at Iowa..

Alford and Davis have same to better B1G records. Fran has benefitted from doormats like Rutgers and Nebraska being added to B1G. Iowa clearly could do worse (lickliter). Could Fran do better than 0.500 B1G if he hired an defense expert as assistant and gave the guy the keys to the operation? Quite possible.

Rutgers is the doormat of the B1G? I’d hate to hear what you’d call Northwestern during the Davis era. NW won 32 total conference games during Dr Tom’s tenure at Iowa. 32 conf wins in 13 years or 2.46 conf wins per season. Iowa played NW twice every season Dr Tom was here. Rutgers has won 31 in the last four years (not counting this year). Iowa has played them twice in the same season three of their seven seasons in the conference. Maryland has offset Rutgers at the very least.

Nebraska is about the equivalent of Wisconsin during Davis era. Wisconsin had two seasons over .500 in conference during that time and only five seasons where they were over .500 overall. Pretty close to Nebraska’s record since joining the B1G.

Other schools have had up and down years through the years. MSU has been about the most consistent outside of a few down years at the beginning of the Dr Tom era.
 
Painter, Ryan, Izzo have been consistent contenders for B1G title---before those guys took over, those programs had periods of middle of the pack finishes before flourishing. Michigan had poor run until Belein took over. Matta took an OSU program to national title game and then flamed out.

OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, indiana, MSU, Michigan have all had ncaa final 4s and B1G titles in last 20 years. Purdue has had B1G tie. Maryland has had lot of upper division finishes.

Fran has gotten Iowa to be a 0.500 team in B1G over his 11 years and has made Iowa usually better than the perennial losers like Minnesota, Penn State, Rutgers, Nebraska and sometimes better than a few of the better historical good teams like OSU, Wisconsin, Illinois, MSU, Michigan, Purdue, Maryland on their down years.

Fran has never made it to a Sunday game in BTT and he's never made it to sweet16 in NCAA. In conference play, he's had a couple logjam ties for 3rd place with multiple teams and last years clear 3rd place finish in B1G followed by BTT exit in semifinals, and blow out loss in NCAA round of 32, which was his best season at Iowa..

Alford and Davis have same to better B1G records. Fran has benefitted from doormats like Rutgers and Nebraska being added to B1G. Iowa clearly could do worse (lickliter). Could Fran do better than 0.500 B1G if he hired an defense expert as assistant and gave the guy the keys to the operation? Quite possible.
A. what is sometimes overlooked is that Fran took over a program that was a doormat, worst in the conference, and returned it too relevance, and did so with an exciting flair, who doesn’t like IOWA being associated with a high octane offense.
B. pretty good lately. IOWA was ranked #2 in country last year, and had 2 NBA guys, and was exciting to watch . For all the disappointments, questionable players usage and game strategy decisions, it was a far cry from when it took over.
when he was hired if you said in yr 10, this is what you’d have , you all would have taken it.

C. You are what your record says you are. -Bill Parcels
facing the reality of facts, this is what we have, no B1G title, no BTT appearances, no 2nd weekend NCAA tournament appearances , to think that they will suddenly start appearing now is the definition of insanity.

in my well documented view, Fran will never consistently get there becuse his game strategy consistently results in terrible defensive results and all the data on the longer runs in tournaments correlated with both strong offense and strong defense
 
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I fear the year is going to play out exactly as most predicted last year, knowing that Luca and Weesie would be gone. Those guys took the pressure off JBo and Connor, making them threats that they no longer are. Joe T and Patrick can be fun to watch but they're as wild as they were last year. Sandefort may be a star down the road but he's in over his head this year. We love the Murray's but when they're double covered, you can't expect too much. Perkins is better than I expected but apparently not good enough to start.
Last year I would have said, and maybe did, that 12 wins would be their ceiling in my opinion. I stand by that.

At the time, I didn’t realize you meant 12 B1G wins. Well done.
 
Once a coach realizes he can recruit to Iowa like it's in the Big Ten and not a mid-major program we'll have the success we all want. Until then, we get diamonds in the rough with Fran.

I honestly don't have a problem with the players we have on the team if they would play hard. If we go deep into the bench, we should run frequent subs as guys get gassed after busting their asses for a few minutes. I harken back to Arkansas' "40 minutes of hell" as an example.

Effort should never be in question.
Are Keegan, Luka, Cook, White, Bohannon, Uthoff and Gesell diamonds? I would really like to know, Mr. Expert.
 
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That's why I don't participate in football or basketball game threads anymore. They throw in the towel and start asking for everyone to be fired at the first sign of adversity. It takes the fun out of every game.
But they make entertaining post game reading.
 
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That's why I don't participate in football or basketball game threads anymore. They throw in the towel and start asking for everyone to be fired at the first sign of adversity. It takes the fun out of every game.
Some of these guys don’t understand basketball at all. Some of their comments during the games are laughable. Jbo’s case is especially curious. He will most likely be the third player ever to score 2,000 points at Iowa, and he’s a statistics leader in so many categories, and these guys rip into him at every game. It’s insane. I sometimes wonder if these guys are morons or IA St fans … they’re hard to tell apart as we all know :)
 
Are Keegan, Luka, Cook, White, Bohannon, Uthoff and Gesell diamonds? I would really like to know, Mr. Expert.
Are any of them good NBA players? Keegan is the best of the bunch, obviously, with his future still to be determined. He was pretty much an Iowa lock due to Kenyon.

Diamonds in the rough. Glad they finally decided to play with more effort, defend and rebound. Amazing it took this long to realize that is what it takes to win.
 
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Are any of them good NBA players? Keegan is the best of the bunch, obviously, with his future still to be determined. He was pretty much an Iowa lock due to Kenyon.

Diamonds in the rough. Glad they finally decided to play with more effort, defend and rebound. Amazing it took this long to realize that is what it takes to win.
C'mon man, the other teams have players too. Iowa is playing better for sure, but sometimes it takes a while to integrate the new pieces and for them to learn to play in a starters role. It's amazing how good a player like Bohannon is when other people are doing their job too. Oh and did I mention that health was definitely a factor this year. As a fan, sometimes you should just be thankful for the opportunity that is being earned by these players. It is more fun that way, I promise.

Edit: I am correcting "there" to "their", lol
 
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C'mon man, the other teams have players too. Iowa is playing better for sure, but sometimes it takes a while to integrate the new pieces and for them to learn to play in a starters role. It's amazing how good a player like Bohannon is when other people are doing there job too. Oh and did I mention that health was definitely a factor this year. As a fan, sometimes you should just be thankful for the opportunity that is being earned by these players. It is more fun that way, I promise.
I'm just glad they're finally giving more effort.

The Michigan game was a good wakeup call and I think we'll see a different outcome this time around come Thursday.
 
I'm just glad they're finally giving more effort.

The Michigan game was a good wakeup call and I think we'll see a different outcome this time around come Thursday.
Maybe it was wake up call...... i think that is when Fran switched the lineup. As irritating as it is sometimes, having jbo at the point makes him much more effective as well as the rest of the team. Not to mention Perkins coming out party as a starter. I think this is the reason for the uptick in play more so than a wake up call. Oh, and Keegan is literally playing like the NPOY right now.......that helps JMHO
 
Are any of them good NBA players? Keegan is the best of the bunch, obviously, with his future still to be determined. He was pretty much an Iowa lock due to Kenyon.

Diamonds in the rough. Glad they finally decided to play with more effort, defend and rebound. Amazing it took this long to realize that is what it takes to win.
Ok I get it now. You are not a fan.
 
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