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Gents its that time a year win we start looking for musical chairs for coaches what mite be selling insurance or used cars this time next year so we got the KJ award for coaches on the hot seat them what should be writing a hole entire new resume on account of there performance and why not its easier to be the best than the worst just ask Minkle or KJ or Goldman hears the list hombres.

Cary Mccoy down to Maryland get him a pillow or get him a nodoze gents hes been mailing it in for years and this one aint no different gets hisself a hole entire new team every year got 50 gents in the room asleep at the wheel they aint gonna tolerate this forever mite as well be this year.

Barry Davis up in Cheeseland sure hes a big talker and has a wrestler or two every decade but in 20 years he aint threatened to win it and this years gonna be a signature year for Barry battling it out for the B1G basement what he cant ruin he runs off figure hes close to retiring hell he looks like hes a million years old sawed off little runt time to move on.

Borreli down to Stanford hombres the apple fell a mile from the tree been there 9 years and hasnt got it together and aint gonna time for a change gents his only claim to fames letting Mckenna get out to Tommy Ryan maybe valet at a Stake and Shake gents is a job he can handle.

Goldman at Indys got more lives than a cat sure they cant wrestle on there feet but they cant get out or ride Gable used to call this fag wrestling hard to watch he wore out the welcome mat friends I got him as a clerk at the DMV he fits in the wheelhouse.

Storniolo up to Northwestern they ****canned my old friend Pirahna and now they got this good old boy punching the timeclock finished 14 in the B1G he battled for the worst and it took his talent to get it done cant recruit aint much on mat coaching but he dont work reel hard maybe he could get hisself on with a gov job or something that aint to taxing whatever he does move on and get a reel coach in there.

Brands and Brands up to Iowa now I know all you pollyannas gonna say Mudflap turnt on Tommy but its time to get him to quite quoting the Bible and start coaching wrestling he aint won it in 7 years and dont show no reel desire to win it gonna redshirt Warner and Lee win he could stand a chance this year maybe he needs to quit worrying about fighting space aliens and start worrying about beating Kale you pretty boys are calling me a turncoat but thems the facts if it wasnt for him testifying for Barta against them two ladies what was suiing the **** outa him we mite have a chance maybe Tommy ought to start his own church seeing as how hes so much into God and Jesus and leave the coaching to them that aims to win.
 
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He has the grammer of a hillbilly. Either that or he didn’t make it out of the 6th grade. I’m thinking most likely the latter.
 
KMF is a character someone created and posts under. His information might be legitimate, and certainly a lot of it is opinion. Regardless of whether it’s valid or not, he is a caricature that someone created to post on line wrestling opinions/news. I’m sure the real KMF doesn’t talk like that, at least not that bad.
 
I agree with KMF that seven years without a title is an eternity for Iowa. I know the times are changing, but there can be no more excuses of unfairness or whatever. We need to win one in the next four years, or we need a change. How long do we let the titleless streak go on? Even you Brands nutswingers must have a limit.
 
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hawknut said:
I agree with KMF that seven years without a title is an eternity for Iowa. I know the times are changing, but there can be no more excuses of unfairness or whatever. We need to win one in the next four years, or we need a change. How long do we let the titleless streak go on? Even you Brands nutswingers must have a limit.
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I was on board until you had to add your typical jackassery at the end...
 
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hawknut said:
I agree with KMF that seven years without a title is an eternity for Iowa. I know the times are changing, but there can be no more excuses of unfairness or whatever. We need to win one in the next four years, or we need a change. How long do we let the titleless streak go on? Even you Brands nutswingers must have a limit.
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With a glaring hole at 133 and nobody great at 174 or 141 we aren't gonna sniff a title in the next 4 years.
 
It used to be good for a laugh but getting old now and not doing the program any favors IMO.
 
WEH8ST8HAWK said:
With a glaring hole at 133 and nobody great at 174 or 141 we aren't gonna sniff a title in the next 4 years.
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You can win a title with 7 AAs. They just have to place high. tOSU will be in a major rebuild after this year and PSu will be rebuilding (or reloading) in 2 years. I think 7AAs will win it at least once if not twice in the next 4 years. Hell didn't PSU win it with 6 last year?
 
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JohnBasedow said:
Anybody here can criticize, but bad grammar is part of the Kentucky Mudflap schtick so that is what Gobblin is referring to. The guy writes in hillybilly language on purpose.
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Ya got OWNed. You think that poster didn't know goofball jargen...or did I just get owned thinking one of your fellow Iowians was smart enough to play stupid?
 
WEH8ST8HAWK said:
With a glaring hole at 133 and nobody great at 174 or 141 we aren't gonna sniff a title in the next 4 years.
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You can win titles with holes in the lineup. Every team has holes. You just need champs and really high AAs who can bonus.
 
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Murin and Young send their regards...
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I wish Murin was the answer at 133, but he can’t make it and he’s not 133 AA caliber this year. KMF is right, Coach needs to get with it and get into the present. All I hear are excuses and “Morningstar doing a good job recruiting”. How about Brands doing a good job recruiting? Clubs are developing this kids in HS like they used to do in the Iowa room. We need top kids.
 
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hawknut said:
Gobblin said:
Murin and Young send their regards...
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I wish Murin was the answer at 133, but he can’t make it and he’s not 133 AA caliber this year. KMF is right, Coach needs to get with it and get into the present. All I hear are excuses and “Morningstar doing a good job recruiting”. How about Brands doing a good job recruiting? Clubs are developing this kids in HS like they used to do in the Iowa room. We need top kids.
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Who are we going to hire to run our program that is better than Tom Brands? PSU has won 6 out of the last 7 titles for a reason. Cael is a good coach, but they are located in the biggest/best recruiting hot bed which helps save on scholarship money. I certainly don’t think Cael is the best coach in the country, but he is a good coach running a top program smack dab in the middle of wrestling country. We have great coaches, but the lost championships started on the recruiting trail the past few years. I truly believe the last couple of classes have changed that. Time will tell, but I don’t believe there is a better coach out there for Iowa than the coach we already have.
 
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Baseballa33 said:
Who are we going to hire to run our program that is better than Tom Brands? PSU has won 6 out of the last 7 titles for a reason. Cael is a good coach, but they are located in the biggest/best recruiting hot bed which helps save on scholarship money. I certainly don’t think Cael is the best coach in the country, but he is a good coach running a top program smack dab in the middle of wrestling country. We have great coaches, but the lost championships started on the recruiting trail the past few years. I truly believe the last couple of classes have changed that. Time will tell, but I don’t believe there is a better coach out there for Iowa than the coach we already have.
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Somehow, they can never answer that one. Some folks just do not like Tom. Funny thing is, they say familiarity breeds contempt. I have been to several practices and watched the interactions between the staff and coach. I have spoken to Tom a few times. I can't help but be impressed by the guy. Would have made a good military commander.

Each day, he gives a brief to the guys...stuff to work on, scouting reports, weigh management etc. These briefings could turn into a daily pro forma, standard issue thing but each one of them is unique in message and motivation.

Every fan that walks in there (on a typical practice day) gets a greeting by somebody on the staff...usually Tom or Terry, or both. For Tom, it seems fans are a love/hate relationship. Loves the passion we have for the Hawks and the sport but disdains the rumor stuff that gets kicked around on different sites. I don't think that's unusual for any coach of a big time program. As for the negative stuff about him, I honestly do not think he cares because I think he just accepts the fact that any and all failings are on him (even when they aren't).
 
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Baseballa33 said:
Who are we going to hire to run our program that is better than Tom Brands? PSU has won 6 out of the last 7 titles for a reason. Cael is a good coach, but they are located in the biggest/best recruiting hot bed which helps save on scholarship money. I certainly don’t think Cael is the best coach in the country, but he is a good coach running a top program smack dab in the middle of wrestling country. We have great coaches, but the lost championships started on the recruiting trail the past few years. I truly believe the last couple of classes have changed that. Time will tell, but I don’t believe there is a better coach out there for Iowa than the coach we already have.
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Ok, so what if we don’t win a title? Do we accept it and just let it go on? Should we let it go 15 years? 20? PSU has lots of top guy not from Penn. Are we just giving up?
 
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I have to say that I do not think there is anyone available who is a better coach the Tom. He is a top level coach with a top level staff at a top level wrestling school. He seems to be always trying to grow and improve and evolve. Let the guy evolve in peace.

If a farmer is in the middle of a drought and his crops aren't as good as they were previously, is it the farmers fault? Sometimes things are out of control of the farmer. I truly believe, Tom is doing all he can and the best he can.

Some of you guys need to get over yourself.
 
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hawknut said:
Ok, so what if we don’t win a title? Do we accept it and just let it go on? Should we let it go 15 years? 20? PSU has lots of top guy not from Penn. Are we just giving up?
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You didn't respond when I called you out about your sources. You and your sources are full of it.
 
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1. If it comes down to it, I would be OK with Perry running the program until Spencer finishes his freestyle career. IMO Spencer has all the tools. Polished, smart, will be a big name. However he may have his sights still set on being and AD. I am hoping TnT right the ship and Spencer is a big reason why and TnT have another decade then hand it off to Spencer.

2. All due respect. I do like Murin and Young but I dont see them being finalist types. And if you ar enot finalist types you keep recruiting over them. I dont see Murin 141 or Young 174 ever beating PSU guys liek Lee/Hall then RBY/Aaron Brooks. I do believe they can AA but trying to line up 7 AAs is not the key. Its all about deep horses and finalists. 20 point guys...Not a few points
 
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Ihawkd9times said:
1. If it comes down to it, I would be OK with Perry running the program until Spencer finishes his freestyle career. IMO Spencer has all the tools. Polished, smart, will be a big name. However he may have his sights still set on being and AD. I am hoping TnT right the ship and Spencer is a big reason why and TnT have another decade then hand it off to Spencer.

2. All due respect. I do like Murin and Young but I dont see them being finalist types. And if you ar enot finalist types you keep recruiting over them. I dont see Murin 141 or Young 174 ever beating PSU guys liek Lee/Hall then RBY/Aaron Brooks. I do believe they can AA but trying to line up 7 AAs is not the key. Its all about deep horses and finalists. 20 point guys...Not a few points
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But, recruiting a finalist type at every weight isn't realistic. Gable couldn't do it and Sanderson's recruiting is unprecedented, and he can't even do it. The realistic way to do it is to have 3 or 4 absolute hammers and 3 or 4 mid level AA's. Brands has definitely seemed to recognize this and his current makeup seems to be shaping up for this.

Starting next season:

125: Hammer-No need to expound
133: Hole as of now
141: Possible AA type with Murin
149: Solid AA to even possible Hammer with Lugo replacing Sorenson
157: Hammer-3rd,2nd,1st,1st is Perryesque.
165: Hammer-I absolutely believe in Marinelli.
174: Young can develop into an AA type and so can Gunther
184: Wilcke-If he drops back down can be an AA type.
197: Hammer-Warner is the real deal
285: Solid AA type.

Contrast this with PSU starting next season:

125:Solid AA type with either Teasdale or RBY
133:See 125
141:Solid AA type
149:Solid AA type that could develop into a hammer in Berge
157:Hammer
165:Hammer
174:Hammer
184:Hammer
197:possible AA
285:Solid AA type

For all the doom and gloom thrown Brands way, it sure seems like he has Iowa primed for their most competitive team with PSU in some time. I like what Brands has done to keep them fighting for Titles.
 
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MSU158 said:
But, recruiting a finalist type at every weight isn't realistic. Gable couldn't do it and Sanderson's recruiting is unprecedented, and he can't even do it. The realistic way to do it is to have 3 or 4 absolute hammers and 3 or 4 mid level AA's. Brands has definitely seemed to recognize this and his current makeup seems to be shaping up for this.

Starting next season:

125: Hammer-No need to expound
133: Hole as of now
141: Possible AA type with Murin
149: Solid AA to even possible Hammer with Lugo replacing Sorenson
157: Hammer-3rd,2nd,1st,1st is Perryesque.
165: Hammer-I absolutely believe in Marinelli.
174: Young can develop into an AA type and so can Gunther
184: Wilcke-If he drops back down can be an AA type.
197: Hammer-Warner is the real deal
285: Solid AA type.

Contrast this with PSU starting next season:

125:Solid AA type with either Teasdale or RBY
133:See 125
141:Solid AA type
149:Solid AA type that could develop into a hammer in Berge
157:Hammer
165:Hammer
174:Hammer
184:Hammer
197:possible AA
285:Solid AA type

For all the doom and gloom thrown Brands way, it sure seems like he has Iowa primed for their most competitive team with PSU in some time. I like what Brands has done to keep them fighting for Titles.
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If you were trying to counter point me with that you lost. But you are a Spartan fan so let me break it down. Fielding competitive teams and fighting for titles is NOT the standard at Iowa. Winning the whole F'ing thing each year is the standard.

This got Zalesky fired. At some point Brands will have rise above your standard or he will be gone.
 
Ihawkd9times said:
If you were trying to counter point me with that you lost. But you are a Spartan fan so let me break it down. Fielding competitive teams and fighting for titles is NOT the standard at Iowa. Winning the whole F'ing thing each year is the standard.

This got Zalesky fired. At some point Brands will have rise above your standard or he will be gone.
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I see what you are saying. However, this sounds very similar to a football program that borders Iowa. They felt previous coaches were not living up to the standard and fired them. Now the standard is getting blown out by the black and gold.

I like the way the staff has changed their approach to recruiting. They did miss on a 133lber this year but the Hawks are still on track. Just need a little time - one cannot expect the results to show up immediately. If we are having the same talk in 2 years then we can re-evaluate to ensure we are still trending in the right direction.

Plus how do you think Spencer would feel if he didn't have Tom and Terry around him for his 4/5 years as a Hawkeye?
 
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Ihawkd9times said:
If you were trying to counter point me with that you lost. But you are a Spartan fan so let me break it down. Fielding competitive teams and fighting for titles is NOT the standard at Iowa. Winning the whole F'ing thing each year is the standard.

This got Zalesky fired. At some point Brands will have rise above your standard or he will be gone.
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What Brands is doing/has done is NOTHING like what Zalesky did. Zalesky rode the coattails of Gable until nothing was left and they slowly got worse and worse, culminating with 4th and 6th place finishes at the B1G with losses to my MSU(I do love how you portray me as a Spartan fan as if I chose to just be a fan of a team that isn't good, vs. competing for one that was pretty damn good when I was there).

Also, Brands had to deal with the perfect storm of Social Media taking over recruiting and College sports making Iowa no longer the team that just is assumed the best place to be accompanied by the best DI wrestler of all time going to PSU(in the richest talent state by far) and Ryan taking over tOSU, which has arguably the best Athletic Department in all of College sports and their high school talent is the closest to Pennsylvania.

Finally, every team Brands has had has been competitive, especially in duals. Even with this year being probably his worst due to significant reloading, he is still no worse than 4th(Depending on which Michigan shows up) in the B1G and the 3 teams ahead of him are likely to finish top 3 at NCAA's. The biggest difference between him this year and Zalesky in his last, is Brands has his team poised to improve considerably. Under Zalesky, they were NOT looking up when Brands took over!
 
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Giving Brands credit for changing recruiting tactics, revitalizing the HWC, and beginning to pull us out of the hole of sub-90-point teams is all well and good, but he's also responsible for digging the hole. When the loudest argument in his favor is, "There's no one to replace him," that's not exactly high praise. There are things he's great at and things he's less great at.

I'd like to see how things shake out with the new crop of recruits and other changes being made. I don't know enough about Perry's skills as a head coach, but he's the one I'm watching now. I could foresee moving Perry to head coach and retaining Tom or Terry to lead HWC. Compounding the issue is that TnT are two people, not one.

Bottom line, I don't believe anyone is shouting, "Just keep doing what you're doing! Everything is great!" That may be what they're saying in State College and Columbus. So we'll see in a couple of years if the changes being made are radical enough to bring back titles to Iowa City. If not, we need to try something different. I can't imagine anyone, including TnT, would strongly disagree with that.
 
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