Don't really like the guy but how about Ryan at Ohio State he has done a good job there after leaving Hosta I think it was. Would put him in there someplace.
He is at it again.....KMF
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And participation trophies for everyone.
Seriously, there is no one here that doesn't support athletes and coaches and the sport of wrestling.
It's fine for you to tell other fans to shut up because you personally think they shouldn't be so concerned about winning and losing. Hey--wrestling is just a sport. You're absolutely right.
But be aware that some people--including Tom and Terry Brands and many, many fans of Iowa Wrestling, some of whom have gone through the program but many who simply embrace the level of dedication and achievement it has represented for the past four decades--believe that winning is important. Not more important than eradicating cancer, but important enough to vent when they see things happening that are distressing to the legacy of the program, not to mention the future of the program.
I'm not into participation trophies. But to each his own.
You are an absolute insufferable turd... I know acuhawk I can assure you he's not changing user names and is FAR more informed on the goings on within the program than most here. Laughable that that's best arguement you can throw at him... It must be a rough life being such an important person.
Just so I'm clear, do you actually think random strangers on a message board hurt recruiting more than the schools recruiting against us?? Please take a moment to think before you answer.
My short list of guys to replace Brands if it comes to it. Keep in mind I want to see Brands get himself out of this and I can give him a bit of a pass this year but next year he has no excuses IMO. But right now if I am Barta there is a short list on in my desk that only break in case of emergency.
In order.
1. Casey Cunningham: I know he said he wont leave happy valley but make him an offer he cant refuse.
2. Mark Perry. He is already in place and this would be the easiest of transitions
3. Doug Schwab. Always liked him and I see good things out of UNI. He is better at selling a program than TNT are.
4. Kevin Dresser. I like the guy. good dude and lets not underestimate how nice it would be to walk into a kids house wearing the Iowa Brand name.
I am certainly open to other outside the program as well as interviewing Burroughs, Dake or Taylor to hear their thoughts on how they would get Iowa on top.
I also would like it if somehow the guy we would bring in can also find a spot for either Metcalf, DSJ, Jay Borschall or Ironside. I would say MCD but I think he and Slaton iare in a good spot to benefit the team without even being on the staff.
And one last comment, can we plase hire a coach who can teach turning guys. All we are is highcrotches and Spiral rides to eat clock anymore. Only guys who turns where guys who had it mastered before Iowa. Clark, Evan etc. They even made Evan worse at it. Meanwhile nobody ever taught Ramos, Gilman or Sorenson to turn guys and only pins are if they catch you. Its really pathetic. And I would tell TnT that. Heck Jaybo even tweets it.
In order.
1. Casey Cunningham: I know he said he wont leave happy valley but make him an offer he cant refuse.
2. Mark Perry. He is already in place and this would be the easiest of transitions
3. Doug Schwab. Always liked him and I see good things out of UNI. He is better at selling a program than TNT are.
4. Kevin Dresser. I like the guy. good dude and lets not underestimate how nice it would be to walk into a kids house wearing the Iowa Brand name.
I am certainly open to other outside the program as well as interviewing Burroughs, Dake or Taylor to hear their thoughts on how they would get Iowa on top.
I also would like it if somehow the guy we would bring in can also find a spot for either Metcalf, DSJ, Jay Borschall or Ironside. I would say MCD but I think he and Slaton iare in a good spot to benefit the team without even being on the staff.
And one last comment, can we plase hire a coach who can teach turning guys. All we are is highcrotches and Spiral rides to eat clock anymore. Only guys who turns where guys who had it mastered before Iowa. Clark, Evan etc. They even made Evan worse at it. Meanwhile nobody ever taught Ramos, Gilman or Sorenson to turn guys and only pins are if they catch you. Its really pathetic. And I would tell TnT that. Heck Jaybo even tweets it.
Thanks man. I got a chuckle out of his post. It reminded me of the George Carlin quote:
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
I will definitely let him have the last word. Regarding life, it would be perfect if I could trade the student loans for a 401K the size of Dayhawks. I would buy that recruiting coordinator just to make nut happy. Hope all is well with you.
Ditto pal... Hope hunting season is going well for you and your son!
Personally, if they were to try and replace Brands, I think it should be someone without Iowa ties and most likely someone with connections to the Ohio, Pa, NJ recruiting hot beds.
I have no idea if Keith Gavin is a good choice, but someone with that type of pedigree. Also, I just want to mention that I am still in the camp that thinks Brands can pull himself out of this and he is heading in the right direction wight he changes he is making and has made.
I don't know that they need replaced.
Cunningham- He is very good.
Perry- Not even close to sold on him being the guy. I think he does add some very good value in his club role.
Schwab- Done ok at UNI, I don't see him being a better option at this point.
Dresser- Hell no. Hire him as club fundraiser maybe.
Hire Dan Gable as recruiting corinadtor he would be the best...
Casey is the ONLY one named so far that I would consider. Even then, I am not convinced it wouldn't be risky considering he has zero experience being a Head Coach. Honestly, what is holding Iowa back isn't the coaching staff. it is the current DI landscape. Changing coaches isn't going to somehow power Iowa past PSU and tOSU and, in my opinion, it would only make it that much harder to try to compete with them......
Keep TnT until there is a better option that wants the job. The only possible successors I can think of are still competing at some level.
To the "Fire Brands Crew": If Iowa and PSU traded coaching staffs, including the funding for the RTS's, who would be the dominant program in 5 years? I'm not sold that Cael in Iowa would be able to compete with Brands.
I think firing Brands would be a very similar result to Nebraska firing Pelini.
To the "Fire Brands Crew": If Iowa and PSU traded coaching staffs, including the funding for the RTS's, who would be the dominant program in 5 years? I'm not sold that Cael in Iowa would be able to compete with Brands.
I think firing Brands would be a very similar result to Nebraska firing Pelini.
Head coaching experience is overrated. After 7 year I still don't think Brands knows how to be a head coach. Is Brands one of the best at running a practice...sure. At running a program or being a CEO? I have a hard tame believing many D1 coaches assistant or not can be worse with dealing with the media, selling the program or having a vision for a complete lineup.
Look Cael is the best at being in a home and getting a top kid to sign. Cunningham is the best assistant in the practice room at this time. Its not a coincidence that PSU is a terror from 149-184 each year. IMO Cunningham can surround himself with assistant who can handle some of the CEO aspects of a program. Plus we get him we cut a huge key out of the PSU machine that is running the practices.
I believe Brands give off a certain vibe and its not for everyone and I also believe this is hurting what could be a wider search of recruits each year. IMO its why we are left out at 133 right now and also another quality 174/184 type.
Regardless if you disagree with me can you agree on one disturbing trend. Why is it that with many top P4P kids do we notice Iowa isn't even in the the top 5 lists anymore? Have you noticed that Ok st, Neb and UNC are making a lot more? Given that I hardly use geography as an excuse. Top kids want to go to top 5 programs. I don't buy it for a minute that wearing an Iowa shirt into a kids house doesn't mean as much as it use to. What's turning kids off from even being on a top 5 list? It certainly isn't wrestling in front of 15k fans. No one can really offer that.
Don't believe me, someone go do some research on the last 5 years of the top 5 p4p kids and who they had on there lists. List how many times each schools was listed and what that's schools pull through rate is. The results will be ugly. Im afraid you will see Cael is a closer and we are not getting our feet into doors.
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You are on drugs if you think Cael wouldn't have Iowa running everything within 2 yrs. First he would have kids transferring from PSU to Iowa. Second he would still own the national elite guys. Look how close he was in Ames Iowa of all places and still landed the Varners and David Taylors. you been to ames iowa? At one point had David Taylor wanting to move there.
What would happen is PSU wouldn't be able to shut down the boarders. Cael would still get the Retherford types from PA and PSU wrestling would be good but more of a 3-10 every year.
I guess if some of you cant wrap your head around the fact that the Brands brothers image is negatively influencing recruiting at some level then I'm not sure what I can say. Things like Flo putting out Gilman's little tirade do not go over well with a lot of parents who are trying to raise a kid opposite of that. IMO I lot of parent are saying no thanks, tom brands allows that kind of stuff and our potential list of who we can recruit is hurting.
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When Cael was at ISU he did land 2 very elite wrestlers in Varner and Taylor. But that was over a 6 year period. Who else? Certainly nothing like the numbers he's been getting at PSU.
Methinks location (PA being home) and slush fund accomodations are factors you are ignoring.
My bad. I'm not necessarily implying that the only reason Brands committed to Iowa was because he's Terry's kid, but I'm thinking that played a very large roll in it. And he's 80th on the Flo November 15th ranking for the class of 2018, so that's where I got the 80 from. And trust me, I like him to...but why can we only get two of the top 100 when we are consistently one of the top 5 teams in the nation? PSU has kids ranked 8, 12, 13, 20, and 23, and then a couple others farther down the list. And Minnesota and Ohio State have a pretty impressive group as well...and that's a problem...
Sorensen is the only one with money graduating next year. We shot a pretty heavy load getting Lee and Warner...plus Max. They would have robbed Peter to pay Paul to get a really good 133 like RBY but didn’t get him.
Brands stated we don't have any money left to give this year. I think we used what would have gone to Teasdale for Cass.. All the people the other schools are landing, especially PSU don't add up with 9.9. They are using creative financing that Iowa is not able to use. Until these loop holes are closed we are at a disadvantage.
And like you, AZ, I think that expenditure was well worth it. But it sure would be nice to latch on to a few more kids, perhaps not that talented, but talented enough to step in and make a difference (like a Marinelli). And of course, we would be looking much better if Teasdale would not have backed out...that stung. Little jackass...LOL!
Can’t always get talented top kids if you don’t have scholarship dollars. That is unless they have rich uncles or money coming from other places to replace those scholarship dollars.
I'm with you, MVP! How in the hell is PSU landing top recruits every fricking year? I would love to see the program get the good old fashioned NCAA death sentence, if/when the NCAA ever takes a closer look and if they somehow discover that Cael and PSU are to wrestling what Rick Pitino and Louisville are to basketball. And I'm not implying that there's anything illegal going on; I'm confident everyone is playing by the rules. However, I just don't see how they can keep reloading every year while abiding by the same recruiting and scholarship policies as the rest of us. And of course I'm biased, but I still don't see it...
Can't say that I disagree with anything you're saying, ihawkd, but I'm in the camp that says let's wait and see how it plays out.
1. Will Lee and Warner not only bring us back into contention but have a positive impact on external perception of the program by recruits, parents, and fans?
2. Will our performance this year be so dismal that it saps recruiting momentum just enough to keep us from landing a couple more blue-chippers that would get us back to a title before Lee and Warner graduate?
3. Has Brands used up so much runway that unless we win a title by his next contract extension he's toast? Even if we're back to scoring 120+ points but only taking 2nd?
4. Will there be an obvious alternative by the time of Brands' next contract?
5. Will any of the mid-tier guys currently on the roster--ANY of them--become title contenders in order not to have to recruit over them with scholarship money we don't have?
Too many variables yet to play out. But I'm not in a good mood either.
Planning is an issue. the 2019 class is not as star laden as the 2018 class is, but the 2020 class looks promising.
back to PSU....only 4 guys (teske, RBY, Teaz and Snacks) are coming in next fall. Its now being reported that beard is deferring a year (gray shirting). Probably because A) we need him here later to fit the lineup best (6th year for Cassar) B)dont have the schollie $ until NNN leave.
The truth is out there for those that want to accept the reality instead of the outrage.
Yet you yourself fall into the Gilman and Ramos rule trap. For every Gilman (who is outspoken), we have nine others that just come in and do their thing. At first we are robots (McD and Metcalf), then we are loudmouth jerks...Ramos and Gilman. See how that works out? Suggest you go watch Cory Clark’s post semi and finals interview. Cory Clark, the guy with the ripped up shoulder and wrist who a won a title against all odds. Blame Tom for Gilman than you should also give him credit for Clark which leads me to my next point...
Brands doesn’t know how to coach? Kind of funny considering that all of his perceived “jerks” that are no longer wrestling are on staff somewhere which tells me that people in the know in the wrestling world like their mindset. Metcalf, Evans, Ramos, DSJ. Gilman would be snatches up tomorrow if he wanted to coach.Three titles and all top 5s the whole time he has been at Iowa (except for 2007 when the guys were forced to sit). John Smith hasn’t done any of that in ten years and Cael hasn’t done the latter since he has been at PSU. Both of those guys can coach a bit.
IMO...Brands lets guys be themselves. You don’t want to talk to the media, don’t. If you like that sort of thing? Do it. Give an ode to your mullet on national TV if you want. So who are really the robots...the team with a bunch of different type of guys or the ones who spout the company line every time a mic is near?
Sure, only bringing in 3 top 10s, #12 Joe Lee and Teske to join the already overstuffed roster and then slushing in state Beard to sit out a year so he fits better.
Interesting take.As a parent of 3, I'm not sure whether I'd let my kids wrestle for the Brands brother (as I don't know them), but I can say with 10000% certainty that no kid of mine would EVER wrestle for someone who is as big of a scumbag as Bael Sanderson is.
This I agree with. Similarly, if Lance Armstrong had changed teams in the middle of his Tour de France run, you can be sure that team would be running things within a year.
Winners win.
You must be assuming that Lance's new team would also have a paid mole within the international doping organization to warn them of all impending in-race testing within 36 hours. In which case, I agree.
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