HaHa...it's a level playing field my a$$. If you have an unfair advantage in college athletics because of money it's BS!. In my eyes under these circumstances if you bring up anything related to RTC's during the recruiting process it should be a violation. Good luck policing it though..... I think it's just a matter of time before the NCAA puts a stop to it.
Careful. Big schools generally have much more money than other confrences’ Schools.
Lee knows exactly what he was offered, but says nothing.
Not much? Get outta here. Imagine if several thousand Hawk fans did the same thing. HUGE, instant impact. Huge props to you, Gjderaad!
<ahem> <footstomp>. Just giving you examples of what our other guys are making.
If a kid turned down such an attractive offer he must of found a way to make a lot more money down the line or maybe was told that.I don't know anything from anything but let's run with your premise. An assistant coach takes a kid out to dinner or pulls him into a room on the guise of watching match video...talk goes to money:
Coach: Mike Spencer, we really want you to come to our school. As you know, we are the best in the nation right now. To stay that way, we sometimes ask our wrestler's to temporarily sacrifice for the good of the team. Look at Joe Penny...two time NCAA champ. You know how much schollie money he is getting?
Mike: How much coach?
Coach: 20% Mike. 20%. Why? You don't really think all of our guys have rich uncles, right? Haha...internet joke, sorry. It's because he believes in us and we believe in him. He knows that if he helps the team now, we will take care of him in the future. You know how much Mylo Pony, our stud 86kg made last year in our club? $75,000 plus bonuses to help <ahem> cost of living expenses that college life can bring <big wink>. That's not counting his endorsement deals and camps. Hell, Rico Skinflootus made $50K and he only hit one or two tourneys while working in his financial job. We at PTU always take care of our family.
Mike: So does that mean you will help pay off any student loans?
Coach: <holds up hand> Lets make it very clear that it would be an NCAA violation if I were to offer you future payment for signing on with us
Obviously, I am having f** with this. However, a variation of that type of conversation is happening on college campuses all around the country in some sports. I don't know why we think wrestling would be immune. If "Mike Spencer" chose another, rival school and came out and repeated this conversation, he would get skinned alive. "No proof," "sour grapes," "his word against ours"...insert opinions from PTU fanbase and most in the wrestling community.
As fans, we have a vested interest in not schools cheating...especially the big ones with RTCs. If an Iowa, PSU, tOSU, OSU were caught using the RTC as an IOU, it would be very bad for all of our schools and potentially impact USA wrestling as well. But that's what we are doing...essentially housing the pro team with the amateur team (with the same coaching staffs) and pretending "never the twain shall meet." Let's hope it isn't.
You once asked me on the PSU board why PSU was not winning more NCAA championships before Cael came to PSU.
These offers are being made to recruits. Why do you think there is so much smoke on this? Hell I am guessing they are going to print this article up and hand it to incoming recruits so it can do most the heavy lifting.
Honest question here. Where is the smoke because I don't see it? A hundred guys on a message board believing something happened doesn't equal smoke. Where is the proof? Where is one recruit or disgruntled former wrestler spilling the beans? Isn't Tom Ryan basically doing the same thing recruiting-wise in Columbus without the huge fund? Is he cheating too?
I get you on that Chief, but my point is that is is not inconceivable that he has 15 super studs each getting about 2/3 of a scholly each. (I know guys went to Iowa for a heck of a lot less that that in the Gable era).
I don't know anything from anything but let's run with your premise. An assistant coach takes a kid out to dinner or pulls him into a room on the guise of watching match video...talk goes to money:
Coach: Mike Spencer, we really want you to come to our school. As you know, we are the best in the nation right now. To stay that way, we sometimes ask our wrestler's to temporarily sacrifice for the good of the team. Look at Joe Penny...two time NCAA champ. You know how much schollie money he is getting?
Mike: How much coach?
Coach: 20% Mike. 20%. Why? You don't really think all of our guys have rich uncles, right? Haha...internet joke, sorry. It's because he believes in us and we believe in him. He knows that if he helps the team now, we will take care of him in the future. You know how much Mylo Pony, our stud 86kg made last year in our club? $75,000 plus bonuses to help <ahem> cost of living expenses that college life can bring <big wink>. That's not counting his endorsement deals and camps. Hell, Rico Skinflootus made $50K and he only hit one or two tourneys while working in his financial job. We at PTU always take care of our family.
Mike: So does that mean you will help pay off any student loans?
Coach: <holds up hand> Lets make it very clear that it would be an NCAA violation if I were to offer you future payment for signing on with us
Obviously, I am having f** with this. However, a variation of that type of conversation is happening on college campuses all around the country in some sports. I don't know why we think wrestling would be immune. If "Mike Spencer" chose another, rival school and came out and repeated this conversation, he would get skinned alive. "No proof," "sour grapes," "his word against ours"...insert opinions from PTU fanbase and most in the wrestling community.
As fans, we have a vested interest in not schools cheating...especially the big ones with RTCs. If an Iowa, PSU, tOSU, OSU were caught using the RTC as an IOU, it would be very bad for all of our schools and potentially impact USA wrestling as well. But that's what we are doing...essentially housing the pro team with the amateur team (with the same coaching staffs) and pretending "never the twain shall meet." Let's hope it isn't.
Almost the entire PSU team receives some form of aid. I'm told the room guys as you call them receive book money. I'd also think freshmen get less than upper classmen because they haven't proved it on the mat yet. I would also imagine that even starters on RS get less than they would if they were starting. There's a lot of ways to milk the 9.9 without cheating. In the last reported fiscal year (2016?), PSU gave out 9.66 scholarships in total, so not even the full allotment. The important thing is that the coach must be completely transparent up front with the wrestler and family or you get bad feelings which can spread to the entire team. Even then you can have misunderstandings, which in part is what I believe happened in the Suriano case.
