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Iowa recruiting thread.

Not sure why folks say we can’t beat PSU if we land Nagao:

We can win at:
125 - Ayala
133: Nagao
141: Woods
149: Chittum
165: Kennedy

They win with:
Haines
Brooks
Truax
Starocci
Kerk

I would say they needed Truax to beat Iowa

No one gives 2 craps about dual meets.

PSU will have 2 returning champs and 2 other returning finalists in their lineup. Iowa will have 1.
 
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You're probably right about Van Ness. But IF the 3 point TD happens, he's going to be up there.

And you can't call it "overachieving" at 141 and 149 - they're both former no. 1 recruits. And Iowa has out-bonused PSU, so they don't even need that at current.
I understand they were both top recruits, but that doesn't mean they are both legit point scorers. Two of Van Ness's three wins on the frontside took absolute meltdowns by his opponents. Just going off memory, the Maryland kid was up something like 6 or 7 points in the 3rd period before choking it away. Indiana kid blew a big lead too by getting thrown to his back in the 3rd. Yes, I give SVN some credit in those comebacks but he is anything but a bonus point machine.

Also, looking back at the 141 bracket from March, outside of Matthews (who also completely blew it with a bonehead decision in OT) Bartlett didn't beat a single guy seeded ahead of him. As a 6th seed, he beat the 27 seed, 11 seed (2x), 3 seed (Matthews), and the 10 seed to get 3rd. I am just not ready to crown him yet either.
 
I’m a nice guest so calm down.

No I’m not, thank goodness. Literally every attorney I’ve seen opine on the likely series of events that led to a trial date thinks the prosecution feels they have a strong case and don’t believe they need/should take a plea. And no, those opinions have no bearing on the outcome. And no, by posting a single one-liner here I am not influencing neither the perception nor reality of the Iowa wrestling program.
Thanks.
 
I understand they were both top recruits, but that doesn't mean they are both legit point scorers. Two of Van Ness's three wins on the frontside took absolute meltdowns by his opponents. Just going off memory, the Maryland kid was up something like 6 or 7 points in the 3rd period before choking it away. Indiana kid blew a big lead too by getting thrown to his back in the 3rd. Yes, I give SVN some credit in those comebacks but he is anything but a bonus point machine.

Also, looking back at the 141 bracket from March, outside of Matthews (who also completely blew it with a bonehead decision in OT) Bartlett didn't beat a single guy seeded ahead of him. As a 6th seed, he beat the 27 seed, 11 seed (2x), 3 seed (Matthews), and the 10 seed to get 3rd. I am just not ready to crown him yet either.

Man. I hope those Hawk colored glasses are right. We've just seen it too often from PSU - they wrestle their best at NCAAs.

So yes. Super hoping Van Ness and Bartlett return to the mean!
 
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Sure Van Ness has some holes in his game but he is a monster. Guy is old school Iowa Style. He is gonna be a hard out. Bartlett. He is good but yes could see him not ever finishing as high as this year again.
 
Is it? I'd argue its a rare scenario. And the gap is so large between them and the rest of the field, and they have so much depth, it would take a fairly unreasonable number of injuries for them to come back to the field.



Oh? We're all ears if you have info.
Angelo is coming beginning of May and I expect a commitment soon after. I believe he ends up a 184
 
Consensus is that that ship has sailed.
Legally speaking, no way. Cases settle at the last second all the time. They can even settle during a trial. Hell we just had a high profile example in the Fox News/Dominion civil suit. Criminal cases are the same that way. Cases can settle at any time as long as the judge allows it.
 
Brands is coming back at 174. Yes, we could upgrade at 184, but Assad is a nice fall back. Weird we haven't heard more in A.J. Anyone know when the court proceedings continue/end?
I thought Arnold was coming in at 74 next year.
 
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I thought Arnold was coming in at 74 next year.
He'll redshirt.

There was a time when Nelson was thinking about not coming back. Arnold likely got the message to be ready to go as a true freshman.
 
Man. I hope those Hawk colored glasses are right. We've just seen it too often from PSU - they wrestle their best at NCAAs.

So yes. Super hoping Van Ness and Bartlett return to the mean!
I guess I don't see it as Hawk-colored glasses. I gave a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why I feel the way I do about those two. PSU obviously has some studs in their current lineup, but Barlett and SVN just don't fall in that category imo. Maybe they prove me wrong but I feel pretty confident saying neither will win a NC before they graduate.
 
Consensus is that that ship has sailed.
My money says this doesn't go to trial. A lot can happen between now and then and neither side is without risk in a jury trial, not to mention the expense. Both sides typically posture to some extent pre-trial.

A plea bargain seems to be a likely resolution, with the AJ jockeying for something less than has been offered to date if not a dropping of the charges all together. The prosecution trying to keep the pressure on to force the acceptance of the current offer, whatever that is, but there is always an offer on the table.

There is also the potential for an out of court settlement with the victim, wherein she then refuses to testify and the criminal case goes away completely. For all we know this is already in play, with negotiations continuing over the price.

Expect the discussions on all sides to accelerate over the summer, but this thing going to trial is not a slam dunk.
 
I understand they were both top recruits, but that doesn't mean they are both legit point scorers. Two of Van Ness's three wins on the frontside took absolute meltdowns by his opponents. Just going off memory, the Maryland kid was up something like 6 or 7 points in the 3rd period before choking it away. Indiana kid blew a big lead too by getting thrown to his back in the 3rd. Yes, I give SVN some credit in those comebacks but he is anything but a bonus point machine.

Also, looking back at the 141 bracket from March, outside of Matthews (who also completely blew it with a bonehead decision in OT) Bartlett didn't beat a single guy seeded ahead of him. As a 6th seed, he beat the 27 seed, 11 seed (2x), 3 seed (Matthews), and the 10 seed to get 3rd. I am just not ready to crown him yet either.
I agree with you on this 100%. watching Bartlett wrestle is about as exciting as watching paint dry or Carl get a haircut.... There is a very small chance he repeats that performance again next season.
 
There isn't a realistic scenario where anyone other than PSU wins it this year.

You're also not going to upgrade the 5th place finisher at 174. That's crazy talk.
I think if your entire team finished at 5th place you'd probably win it all as long as no one averaged better than that.
5 is a solid placing .
 
I think if your entire team finished at 5th place you'd probably win it all as long as no one averaged better than that.
5 is a solid placing .
5th place without bonus is 10 points (this is assuming a loss in the QF or SF on the front side). 10 of those gets you 100 points, a nice number for sure but the last NCAA tournament it would win was back in 2009.
 
Semi serious question

Is there a code word that is used on the psu forums that indicates that there is something negative being said about psu that causes the posters to rally and defend what is their conception of their honor?
I ask because unless someone comes over here and links something that is being said on their forums I wouldn't know that negative things were being said. I can assume there are the 'Brands behavior' threads or the 'Iowa style' threads but I just don't see too many Iowa posters going over there to attack those thoughts.

It was a nice couple of years where there was very little psu traffic over here. Some insights and clarifications are appreciated but the 'we are only presenting the truth to combat your lies' approach coupled with the 'I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken mindset' gets a tad tiresome.
Another advantage of winning national team titles: the PSU rats scatter from HR with their tails between their legs.
 
Ok. So bestest case scenario for the Hawks and the only way we challenge PSU

125 Ayala - Champ
133 Nagao - Finalist (need to be on other side of Vito, and beat a continually regressing FIX)
141 Woods - Champ
149/157 Chittum - Finalist at which ever weight he goes.
149/157 Siebrecht/Ferrari/Rathjen - Need an AA
165 Kennedy - AA
174 Brands - AA
184 Assad - AA
197 AJ - We have to have him. He's at worst a Finalist
285 Cass - Top 3. Not sure he can beat Hendrickson or Kerk again

PSU is going to counter with 9 AAs:

125 Howard - Don't see how he makes it a season
133 Cannon - Former AA
141 Bartlett - Finalist
149 Van Ness - Finalist
157 Haines - Finalist/Champ
165 Mesenbrink/Facundo - We have no data that says Mesenbrink is a folkstyle upgrade over Facundo. No AA
174 Starocci - Champ
184 Truax - Top 3
197 Brook - Champ
285 Kerk - Champ

PSU on paper have 6 in the finals. We could counter with 4 WITH AJ. yeah. It's not looking so good for 2024.
Vito may take an O year,

NO way BartSimmson and Vanlockness are finalists! BabblingBrook aint beating AJ at 197! They have not signed Cannon(at least not yet!)
 
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Curious with all the religious stuff from the Nagao camp that the Ferrari chaos apparently has driven him completely away.

Maybe the negative vibes regarding the Clan aren't as big a deal as feared.
Or...$$$ talks louder.
 
Curious with all the religious stuff from the Nagao camp that the Ferrari chaos apparently has driven him completely away.

Maybe the negative vibes regarding the Clan aren't as big a deal as feared.
Or...$$$ talks louder.
No matter where he goes, the Ferraris will have little to no bearing. He’s a humble, quiet kid from a close knit, tight family. He was born with a rare condition that nearly killed him. He and his family put a lot of faith in Jesus Christ. He works his a** off and has achieved what he has through grit and hard work. He’s going to choose where he thinks he has the best chance to improve and win. He’s a kid that can absolutely jump a level with the right coaches and workout partners. He’s a very easy kid to root for.
 
Not true.

But everything else you wrote is spot on. Good kid. But it's a lot of money and I think it's tough to turn that down.
AJ could possibly, but Anthony and Angelo are both humble kids. Well liked by the team and staff already. The nonsense rhetoric about Anthony and Angelo can stop anytime because everyone who matters in all parties involved knows the truth.
 
WRONG!

WRONG!

CLOSE!

WRONG!

You all are losing it!

Finally someone with some common sense!!!! TY

With Nagao at 133 and AJ at 197 I would put us as the favorites right now!!! OH YEA I WOULD!!!!! Now maybe they upgrade some more at 125 and 133 but as of RIGHT NOW!

125 Ayala is better then anyone they have. He could be a contender? He is an AA at minimum.

133 Nagao is a contender to win!

141 Woods is the best at the weight!

149 Chittum appears to be the real deal. I have no problem believing he is better then what they have but remains to be seen.

157 Ferrari, Feeling many are not giving him enough respect. Thinking he is going to be real tough!

165 PK is better until proven otherwise

174 Brands is a returning AA and held starfish to a 1 point decision

184 Assad needs to have one year with no injuries(I would bring in Griffin!)

197 AJ is a monster and returning champ! I hope they move babblingBrooks up!!!

Heavy Big cass is 2 or 3 and hopefully can add the HP needed to become #1

In a dual we win at 125, 133, 141, possible at 149, I will give them 157 but will not be surprised if we win, we take 165, they get 174, 184, we take 197, they take heavy.

In tournament, We out pace them at 125 where they may score zero, 133 where they may score zero, 141 We are better and score more points.. 149, 157 remain to be seen but they will not put much more on the board at either I believe. You could maybe add 164 to those weights also. 174 they score more but we can score some points TWOOOOO!!!

184 they will out pace us but hopefully we will have something going! 197 We win and Heavy we can keep pace for the most part!

We have 10 legit AAs with several who could /should be in the finals and 2-3 champs!

LETS GO IOWA!!!
I stopped at, “As of right now,” and then included our current wish list. Lol
 
I think if your entire team finished at 5th place you'd probably win it all as long as no one averaged better than that.
5 is a solid placing .
Huh? Kinda not correct. Are you talking 10 wrestlers placing 5th? That might score 60-70 points and half way to placing a strong second….
 
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Huh? Kinda not correct. Are you talking 10 wrestlers placing 5th? That might score 60-70 points and half way to placing a strong second….


5th place is worth 7, lose first round, win the next four on the backside, lose the match to go the third place match, win the fifth place match - would be 2 points.

So min of 9 points for each 5th place. Obviously would be more, bonus points, wins on the front side before being sent to the backside.

Minimum would be 90 points for 10 5th place finishes.
 
I get that the Champ is the tourney winner - but to say that nobody cares about dual meets kind of belittles the attendance Iowa gets for duals.
I care about dual meets, and winning them can do a lot for momentum and confidence. I know at least 15,000 Iowa fans who care quite a bit about dual meets. They aren’t the ultimate goal by any means, but they do mean something, and of course key matches in dual meets can make a big difference in seeding for tournament time.
 
I care about dual meets, and winning them can do a lot for momentum and confidence. I know at least 15,000 Iowa fans who care quite a bit about dual meets. They aren’t the ultimate goal by any means, but they do mean something, and of course key matches in dual meets can make a big difference in seeding for tournament time.
I’m actually pretty shocked by how many Hawk fans (on here at least) don’t care about winning duals. I get the ultimate goal is the National Championships, but a good back and forth dual with two evenly matched squads is super exciting.
 
I’m actually pretty shocked by how many Hawk fans (on here at least) don’t care about winning duals. I get the ultimate goal is the National Championships, but a good back and forth dual with two evenly matched squads is super exciting.
True, and they can have implications beyond just the team score in the dual meet, including overall momentum for a program, recruiting, etc. You can bet your ass that the Iowa-ISU meet means a lot to the Clowns. They keep hoping they can knock us off and take that team score to every recruit in Iowa and beyond.

Breaking PSU's dual meet win streak would be a massive story that even the haters couldn't ignore, and it would be a statement that the Hawks are in the hunt to win Nationals. A jam-packed Carver, sitting next to the brand new Goschke wrestling facility, on national TV, with the Hawks taking down PSU would be an awesome sight, and you can bet it would catch the attention of recruits.

So while dual meets aren't the end-all, be-all, I think there's compelling evidence that they do have meaning, and they absolutely add excitement to the season.
 
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No, I watched some podcast with Basch/Btrasch? and the kid was quoting Bible verses.

But I kinda "dig" you slamming KD.
Yes. It’s propaganda that originates in Ames. Dresser and his goons are some of the biggest scumbags in the game when it comes to pushing fake narratives that they intend to hurt Iowa. But they’re so shitty at it that many have caught on and it’s now backfiring on them. It’s hilarious how pathetic and desperate they are over there.
 
Some good news for you guys…not in stone or anything but my son is good friends with Anthony Knox. I asked him tonight who he wants to wrestle for and he said he loves Iowa. Would be a great get. Tough SOB

That being said. The father is all about the Ivys. I say the kid wins that argument
 
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