This right here is a perfect example of when I tell you that you refuse to learn. Anything to keep you from having to move off of your narratives. You prefer to be wrong. It's sad.
Iowa school voucher scam update: Private schools raising tuition up to 40%. Special ed services to public schools will have a 30 million dollar cut
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I can't believe anyone supports this outside of the private schools/churches... even parents of private school kids gain nothing with the cost increases.
Absolutely. They're crooks. They use their power to scam the rest of us. Like someone else said, Iowans are too simple minded to put an end to it. Kim can steal all our money as long as we don't have socialism.
I played high school basketball with the son of that priest. We felt terrible for him because he was a really nice kid.
Fear. Fear of imaginary boogeymen. Dont look at the man behind the curtain
Here is a hard numbers comparison.
Iowa City Community Schools.
Enrollment: 14,440
Budget: $318,846,417
Per Student: $22,081
Special Ed Students make up 10% of the enrollment. Obviously they are very loose on what they consider special ed...but whatever 10%.
They dedicate 3.1% of the budget to special ed....ten million. That actually seems ridiculously low to me....I would think higher.
So that is $685 taken off the budget for the other 90%.
Per Student not Special Ed: $21,396
The issue has never been if there is enough money....but where it is being spent.
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Iowa City Community Schools.
Enrollment: 14,440
Budget: $318,846,417
Per Student: $22,081
Special Ed Students make up 10% of the enrollment. Obviously they are very loose on what they consider special ed...but whatever 10%.
They dedicate 3.1% of the budget to special ed....ten million. That actually seems ridiculously low to me....I would think higher.
So that is $685 taken off the budget for the other 90%.
Per Student not Special Ed: $21,396
The issue has never been if there is enough money....but where it is being spent.
Iowa City Community School District sees high special education balance deficit, requests additional aid
After reporting a high deficit in the special education balance for the 2021-22 academic year, the Iowa City Community School District is seeking additional aid with approval from the school board. The board of directors approved the request to seek additional growth and aid at the Sept. 27...
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There's no defense of this. None. Be better.Here is a hard numbers comparison.
Iowa City Community Schools.
Enrollment: 14,440
Budget: $318,846,417
Per Student: $22,081
Special Ed Students make up 10% of the enrollment. Obviously they are very loose on what they consider special ed...but whatever 10%.
They dedicate 3.1% of the budget to special ed....ten million. That actually seems ridiculously low to me....I would think higher.
So that is $685 taken off the budget for the other 90%.
Per Student not Special Ed: $21,396
The issue has never been if there is enough money....but where it is being spent.
Iowa City Community School District sees high special education balance deficit, requests additional aid
After reporting a high deficit in the special education balance for the 2021-22 academic year, the Iowa City Community School District is seeking additional aid with approval from the school board. The board of directors approved the request to seek additional growth and aid at the Sept. 27...
He used to work on education campaigns for Republicans. He's a true believer. Privatization is always the way to go.
They indeed did raise tuition. Tuition is still virtually free for this fall if you meet income qualifications. In a few years, it’s free for anyone regardless of income
If public school teachers would do their job and quit praising Bernie Sanders and the Squad all of the time then the state wouldn’t have to do vouchers. Teachers brought this on themselves. Public school teachers have the biggest egos of anyone. They want power and control of people and the best way for that is a classroom of young kids. So they can spew their bullcrap on them.
Indeed.
I posted exactly this in the OTHER thread about how this would enable private schools to spend more per student, and require public schools to reduce their spending on the "regular" students, since they have a fixed amount they must allocate towards special needs kids that private schools are exempt from educating.
With roughly 18 years in academics, much more than that,.. but apparently my teachers earned something over the pay grade you're most familiar with Tom.
Wtf you think you are? A textbook? Just because some random ass person on a message board posts something doesn't make it true. Doesn't mean you should learn anything from them. This board is content for entertainment and nothing else. If you are learning from this board you are learning the wrong things! Lol
Well your numbers are wrong based on the elementary level financial statements (joke) of an Annual Report that Dowling released (LOL).
Try to keep up.
Total expenditures of $21,147,313
1,391 students (allegedly)
Cost per student: $15,203
Where's the balance sheet? Are the results reported in this coloring book cash or accrual basis? No note disclosures to these "financial statements"? I wonder why?
I am not anti public education. Not one bit.
21,396 per non special ed student.
Say we give Tom and 4 of his buddies $200,000 a year to teach 100 students....each has 20 at a time. Between the 5 going to be able to pretty much have enough knowledge in English, Math, History, etc to teach them.
At 21,396 that would give Tom and buddies a budget of 2,139,600 for those 100 students
Take off a million for the salaries. Now down to 1,139,600.
They need a building. Give em 300,000 a year to use to either rent...or probably smart to just go buy something way bigger than they need for a few million and use the 300,000 to pay it off in a few years.
Down to 839,000.
Utilities...200,000 in the budget.
639,000
It would be a very local school...so probably not much bussing needed...but throw in 100,000 for any transportation needs, field trips, etc
539,000
Textbooks...let's go online versions to save money, and just easier to carry a laptop than 10 textbooks. Say they want 10 textbooks for each student. Around $100 a piece. That's 100,000.
439,000
Not much admin, but some. Person should have a sub license as well. 50,000
389,000
Need laptops. 100 students. Staff...40,000
349,000
Students need to be fed. Linked below, and those services are in Cali, but figure if you can get delivered school meals in San Fran for 6 bucks, you can in Iowa City. 170 school days x 100 students × 6 = 102,000
247,000
Maintenance/Janitor 50,000
197,000
Some start up costs...student desks 20,000
177,000
Teacher/office desks 5,000
172,000
Footballs, basketballs, softballs, bats, flags, cones, and a whistle for Tom ... 20,000
152,000
Chalkboards, projectors, filling cabinents, and many other start up purchases. 50,000
102,000
So we have spent almost half the budget on the teachers, where is should go, and have a first year surplus of 102,000. With another 200,000 in start up costs. Textbooks will need to be updated every once in awhile depending on the subject, but not all that often. Some laptops will need to be replaced every year for new students or broken/lost ones. Broken/lost ones should be on the student to some extent.
So going forward surplus is around 300,000. Buy the building and after 10 years or so the surplus is now 600,000.
I am sure I missed costs...I am also sure I over budgeted on the building and utilities.
Point is, the money is there. It has always been there. Just so much of it disappears on stuff that is not in the classroom.
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21,396 per non special ed student.
Say we give Tom and 4 of his buddies $200,000 a year to teach 100 students....each has 20 at a time. Between the 5 going to be able to pretty much have enough knowledge in English, Math, History, etc to teach them.
At 21,396 that would give Tom and buddies a budget of 2,139,600 for those 100 students
Take off a million for the salaries. Now down to 1,139,600.
They need a building. Give em 300,000 a year to use to either rent...or probably smart to just go buy something way bigger than they need for a few million and use the 300,000 to pay it off in a few years.
Down to 839,000.
Utilities...200,000 in the budget.
639,000
It would be a very local school...so probably not much bussing needed...but throw in 100,000 for any transportation needs, field trips, etc
539,000
Textbooks...let's go online versions to save money, and just easier to carry a laptop than 10 textbooks. Say they want 10 textbooks for each student. Around $100 a piece. That's 100,000.
439,000
Not much admin, but some. Person should have a sub license as well. 50,000
389,000
Need laptops. 100 students. Staff...40,000
349,000
Students need to be fed. Linked below, and those services are in Cali, but figure if you can get delivered school meals in San Fran for 6 bucks, you can in Iowa City. 170 school days x 100 students × 6 = 102,000
247,000
Maintenance/Janitor 50,000
197,000
Some start up costs...student desks 20,000
177,000
Teacher/office desks 5,000
172,000
Footballs, basketballs, softballs, bats, flags, cones, and a whistle for Tom ... 20,000
152,000
Chalkboards, projectors, filling cabinents, and many other start up purchases. 50,000
102,000
So we have spent almost half the budget on the teachers, where is should go, and have a first year surplus of 102,000. With another 200,000 in start up costs. Textbooks will need to be updated every once in awhile depending on the subject, but not all that often. Some laptops will need to be replaced every year for new students or broken/lost ones. Broken/lost ones should be on the student to some extent.
So going forward surplus is around 300,000. Buy the building and after 10 years or so the surplus is now 600,000.
I am sure I missed costs...I am also sure I over budgeted on the building and utilities.
Point is, the money is there. It has always been there. Just so much of it disappears on stuff that is not in the classroom.
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Yet here you are, supporting positions that undermine public education.
No I am not.. read that entire post and you will see I am not.
I support spending whatever we need to on education. Problem is so muchbof the budget gets wasted on things that are not directly related to teaching the students.
Yes. You are.
You continue to lump in costs public schools are required to provide (e.g. bus systems, and Benton County was one you'd linked), where there is no comparable overall cost to private schools
Transportation. Do you have reports on private schools. Actual numbers.I am not anti public education. Not one bit.
21,396 per non special ed student.
Say we give Tom and 4 of his buddies $200,000 a year to teach 100 students....each has 20 at a time. Between the 5 going to be able to pretty much have enough knowledge in English, Math, History, etc to teach them.
At 21,396 that would give Tom and buddies a budget of 2,139,600 for those 100 students
Take off a million for the salaries. Now down to 1,139,600.
They need a building. Give em 300,000 a year to use to either rent...or probably smart to just go buy something way bigger than they need for a few million and use the 300,000 to pay it off in a few years.
Down to 839,000.
Utilities...200,000 in the budget.
639,000
It would be a very local school...so probably not much bussing needed...but throw in 100,000 for any transportation needs, field trips, etc
539,000
Textbooks...let's go online versions to save money, and just easier to carry a laptop than 10 textbooks. Say they want 10 textbooks for each student. Around $100 a piece. That's 100,000.
439,000
Not much admin, but some. Person should have a sub license as well. 50,000
389,000
Need laptops. 100 students. Staff...40,000
349,000
Students need to be fed. Linked below, and those services are in Cali, but figure if you can get delivered school meals in San Fran for 6 bucks, you can in Iowa City. 170 school days x 100 students × 6 = 102,000
247,000
Maintenance/Janitor 50,000
197,000
Some start up costs...student desks 20,000
177,000
Teacher/office desks 5,000
172,000
Footballs, basketballs, softballs, bats, flags, cones, and a whistle for Tom ... 20,000
152,000
Chalkboards, projectors, filling cabinents, and many other start up purchases. 50,000
102,000
So we have spent almost half the budget on the teachers, where is should go, and have a first year surplus of 102,000. With another 200,000 in start up costs. Textbooks will need to be updated every once in awhile depending on the subject, but not all that often. Some laptops will need to be replaced every year for new students or broken/lost ones. Broken/lost ones should be on the student to some extent.
So going forward surplus is around 300,000. Buy the building and after 10 years or so the surplus is now 600,000.
I am sure I missed costs...I am also sure I over budgeted on the building and utilities.
Point is, the money is there. It has always been there. Just so much of it disappears on stuff that is not in the classroom.
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I get that there are other costs.
I don't even have a problem with the price tag....my problem has and always has been that all this money goes out and is not going to the one place that would make a difference...the teacher in the classroom.
The example I used...yes rough numbers....but the financial point is in that example the teacher is getting paid, there is enough surplus to fund retirement, and the class size was 20.
Put the money where it makes a difference. Pay the teacher, keep the class size smaller, allow the teacher to be able to develop a relationship with each student....and suddenly we do not have burned out teachers, we are attracting people to go into the classroom, and retaining the ones we have.
I am a prime example...I went to school to become a teacher. Ended up working in retail because I get paid 4 or 5x as I would as a teacher. No doubt I would be more excited to wake up in the morning and know I get to introduce some kids to Beowulf...and maybe, just maybe one of them would love it as much as me. Still have bills to pay, toys to buy, and stupid things to waste money on that I wouldn't be able to do on the pay of a teacher. Hell if I would have gone that route I would have been coaching and pretty much spent every waking hour involved in something school related
Do you have information refuting tuition raises?
No idea. Even if in my fictional example if they had to go out and buy 4 busses and get drivers....there would be enough money, and still have almost half the budget going to the teachers.
Correct, it's a racket the public school system in Iowa is way too top heavy with overpaid administrators. Diocese schools have little to zero administrators and those they have are paid pennies on the dollar compared to their public schools counterparts.
Private schools raising tuition still will not exceed the cap being set by the state for the per pupil tuition assistance.
This whole thread is much ado about nothing.
What a great blanket cop out.
Let me take this thinking a step further…
Wtf you think you are? A textbook? Oh, wait, you actually are a textbook? Pshh. Well wtf does that matter anyway? I mean, you're just a book with text in it written by somebody who feels all entitled n shit to write a textbook. Doesn't mean anybody should learn anything from you, you dumb textbook…
Dude, anything to protect your fragile little ego.
Fuçking hilarious.
Proves my point. People with just third grade education are the ones that cause thr problem.
It makes me very sad that people with lack of intelligence like you vote.
