Basically thisThere is so much yelling from the cheap seats going on in this thread…I’m worried about my hearing.
Basically thisThere is so much yelling from the cheap seats going on in this thread…I’m worried about my hearing.
They don't offer special ed nor do they have teachers set up for that.Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Because private schools do not offer special education and should not be forced to offer classes they currently do not offer.Why?
I am sure that the wise white fathers of the Ioway Legislature have taken all this into account before they passed the voucher program!I wonder where that private school tuition increase is going? It’s almost like taxpayers are subsidizing those churches who sponsor those schools. Almost like they are profiting from public dollars to support their religious mission.
It’s almost like people predicted this would happen.
Not any more.Because private schools do not offer special education and should not be forced to offer classes they currently do not offer.
The public school systems are set up to take care of those students.
IowaPack….are you and Peter Malloy in a contest to see who is the dumbest phuque here on HROT this week?If they are increasing 7-10% that’s actually pretty low compared to the cost of everything else.
Yes public schools are equipped for special ed students, private schools do not offer it.Not any more.
Peter…..how phuquin’ stupid can you be?
Not any more….Why dont these “private/parochial” schools offer special ed? Didn’t Christ INCLUDE everyone to His faith? Didn’t Christ heal the sick and infirmed? Show me where Christ was exclusionary. Tell me the time Christ turned his back on the crowds and sick……You can’t. But “His” schools can?Yes public schools are equipped for special ed students, private schools do not offer it.
How much simpler can I make it for you.
“Virtually free” except for the fact MY tax money is being spent / gifted to private schools. I want my tax money to go the public schools…..not a private or parochial school. If someone wants to give money to a private/ parochial school, so be it……let them give….and it is tax deductible. MY tax money…the money I pay in taxes, not ONE CENT of it should go to any religious affiliated organization."virtually free"
Uh huh.
They don't.Not any more….Why dont these “private/parochial” schools offer special ed? Didn’t Christ INCLUDE everyone to His faith? Didn’t Christ heal the sick and infirmed? Show me where Christ was exclusionary. Tell me the time Christ turned his back on the crowds and sick……You can’t. But “His” schools can?
No. You wouldn’t be that lucky.No, I can’t hear @goldmom
I have stated many times on this site my feelings on the Voucher program. Just a recap on where I stand.
I (and my kids) are proud alums of a our Parish's Small Catholic Grade/Middle School. I have been overjoyed with both the education and the positivity within the school over these many years...all the way back to when I was a student. My nephew is the principle now and I can tell you he is not making anywhere near what he did when he was in the public schools......but like the teachers who work with him...it is a labor of love and they are happy.
Now, although we saw some crazy/scary things for our kids (and what they witnessed) after moving onto the public schools, my family has also always been strong supporters of our public school system. I still have a child just entering 9th grade. And we will continue to support our district.
We are also very lucky that our district is incredibly cash rich. They keep spending money and building new things. It is truly amazing.
As for the voucher system. It is not something I am for. My parents and my wife and I made the CHOICE to send our kids to the Catholic school. I do not find it fair that other taxpayers should be paying for our choice...especially when those taxpayers already pay for the public option for my kids. It is just that simple. I also do not want our public schools to suffer because of this program.
No. You wouldn’t be that lucky.
FYI I don’t care about the issue all that much but it’s funny that I live in your head. 😉
Every public school in the state has to certify a budget, submit a certified annual report, and conduct an audit every single year. Private schools are not beholden to any of this.This is why they are freaking out. They have been the only widget store in a town. They no longer understand the concept of actual dollars and budgeting like a business.
Have you ever seen how much help a kid with cerebral palsy takes? Are there any at Dowling? How would they handle that?Well on the non-Christian part...Dowlings numbers reported in thar report say 7% non Catholic. So obviously they do accept students that do not share the same faith. Granted I do not see many people that are not into the faith wanting to send their kids there. Funny thing is the faith part is going to cost some extra money.
And it is not my number, the 12k, come straight from their budget overview.
A student being from a poor family or not is not relevant...the state and local community is paying their way to public school.
Just saying 12k goes much farther, with much better results, than what is paid for publicly.
I have been running these types of numbers going on 30 years. When I first got involved in political campaigns it was in education and the politics of it. The typical private school budget has always been less than the public schools. Yes there are some crazy high end private schools that even wealthy people cannot afford...but those are not the norm.
They wouldn’t be allowed.Have you ever seen how much help a kid with cerebral palsy takes? Are there any at Dowling? How would they handle that?
Then they should get ZERO public money.Because private schools do not offer special education and should not be forced to offer classes they currently do not offer.
Geebuss. Everyone knows this but in question is what they are spending it on. City government is similar as they pass budgets yearly and just add a %- both notorious for spending their max to show they need more the next year with zero thought of cutting.Every public school in the state has to certify a budget, submit a certified annual report, and conduct an audit every single year. Private schools are not beholden to any of this.
Just say you don't know anything about school finance to save us all some time.
You would call it strict, I would call it earmarked. Just now are they having to deal with getting every remotely creative with how and where the money goes.What makes you think school administrators can't and don’t budget. Public employees budget all the time and often the budgets are stricter and more set in stone than private companies.
You mean like college tuition goes up because loan/grant money availability? Why does basic economics seem to elude your mind? I know, I know. Nothing to bitch about if you consider the obvious
Jesus, this is so inaccurate. Look at the unspent balances across the state and tell me that schools are spending to the maximum. Schools are extremely conservative and fiscally responsible as a whole. This will be even more the case with the current dipshits running our state.Geebuss. Everyone knows this but in question is what they are spending it on. City government is similar as they pass budgets yearly and just add a %- both notorious for spending their max to show they need more the next year with zero thought of cutting.
Which is quite literally what he'd posted for you. It's public record.Geebuss. Everyone knows this but in question is what they are spending it on.
Wrong!Then they should get ZERO public money.
Someone doesn't know what "earmarked" means.You would call it strict, I would call it earmarked. Just now are they having to deal with getting every remotely creative with how and where the money goes.
WTF?You mean like college tuition goes up because loan/grant money availability? Why does basic economics seem to elude your mind? I know, I know. Nothing to bitch about if you consider the obvious
This is the far rights new efforts at segregation. Start with the cripples and then work toward the gays and on to the black people. They are the anti-civil rights advocates of the 50s and 60s.Wrong!
People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.
You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.
I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.
Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.
Any school that receives public funding should be held to the same standard as public schools have been held to forever.Wrong!
People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.
You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.
I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.
Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.
Wrong!
People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.
You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.
I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.
Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.
People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit. You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at. I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.
And they aren't. School's have special education programs for these kids that are separate from the mainstream. They will integrate some of the other students to provide aid as an opportunity for both the special needs child and the student helper.To a point I agree with this,.. There is a line beyond which exist children that simply do not belong on the normal K-12 educational path.
And they aren't. School's have special education programs for these kids that are separate from the mainstream. They will integrate some of the other students to provide aid as an opportunity for both the special needs child and the student helper.
That's not the way it works.Any school that receives public funding should be held to the same standard as public schools have been held to forever.
This is really, really simple.
The fact you would seriously try to answer that says you're not too bright.Well on the non-Christian part...Dowlings numbers reported in thar report say 7% non Catholic. So obviously they do accept students that do not share the same faith. Granted I do not see many people that are not into the faith wanting to send their kids there. Funny thing is the faith part is going to cost some extra money.
And it is not my number, the 12k, come straight from their budget overview.
A student being from a poor family or not is not relevant...the state and local community is paying their way to public school.
Just saying 12k goes much farther, with much better results, than what is paid for publicly.
I have been running these types of numbers going on 30 years. When I first got involved in political campaigns it was in education and the politics of it. The typical private school budget has always been less than the public schools. Yes there are some crazy high end private schools that even wealthy people cannot afford...but those are not the norm.
One cool thing about the vouchers is most existing private schools are Catholic schools and those schools pump out more pinkos who resent American Christians than anything Mao or Stalin could have concocted. Especially now that more poor kids will be going there.
You haven't been in a classroom lately, I can tell you they have children who do nothing but drool and scream the entire class. The other kids are impacted by this constant disruption, this isn't fair to the children who go to school to learn.And they aren't. School's have special education programs for these kids that are separate from the mainstream. They will integrate some of the other students to provide aid as an opportunity for both the special needs child and the student helper.
And I am saying what you're saying is misinformed as evidenced by your posts that demonstrate you have no clue how it works.I guess what I'm saying is that the line dividing normal from special needs & disruptive is currently misplaced...
FineWrong!
People send their children to private schools to get an education