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Iowa school voucher scam update: Private schools raising tuition up to 40%. Special ed services to public schools will have a 30 million dollar cut

I wonder where that private school tuition increase is going? It’s almost like taxpayers are subsidizing those churches who sponsor those schools. Almost like they are profiting from public dollars to support their religious mission.

It’s almost like people predicted this would happen.
I am sure that the wise white fathers of the Ioway Legislature have taken all this into account before they passed the voucher program!
You guys seem to have forgotten how wise these guys/gals along with out Governorreally Are! And then, we all know that Iowans will just naturally do the right ting!
 
Yes public schools are equipped for special ed students, private schools do not offer it.

How much simpler can I make it for you.
Not any more….Why dont these “private/parochial” schools offer special ed? Didn’t Christ INCLUDE everyone to His faith? Didn’t Christ heal the sick and infirmed? Show me where Christ was exclusionary. Tell me the time Christ turned his back on the crowds and sick……You can’t. But “His” schools can?
 
"virtually free"

Uh huh.
“Virtually free” except for the fact MY tax money is being spent / gifted to private schools. I want my tax money to go the public schools…..not a private or parochial school. If someone wants to give money to a private/ parochial school, so be it……let them give….and it is tax deductible. MY tax money…the money I pay in taxes, not ONE CENT of it should go to any religious affiliated organization.
 
Not any more….Why dont these “private/parochial” schools offer special ed? Didn’t Christ INCLUDE everyone to His faith? Didn’t Christ heal the sick and infirmed? Show me where Christ was exclusionary. Tell me the time Christ turned his back on the crowds and sick……You can’t. But “His” schools can?
They don't.
They won't.
Deal with it.
 
I have stated many times on this site my feelings on the Voucher program. Just a recap on where I stand.

I (and my kids) are proud alums of a our Parish's Small Catholic Grade/Middle School. I have been overjoyed with both the education and the positivity within the school over these many years...all the way back to when I was a student. My nephew is the principle now and I can tell you he is not making anywhere near what he did when he was in the public schools......but like the teachers who work with him...it is a labor of love and they are happy.

Now, although we saw some crazy/scary things for our kids (and what they witnessed) after moving onto the public schools, my family has also always been strong supporters of our public school system. I still have a child just entering 9th grade. And we will continue to support our district.

We are also very lucky that our district is incredibly cash rich. They keep spending money and building new things. It is truly amazing.

As for the voucher system. It is not something I am for. My parents and my wife and I made the CHOICE to send our kids to the Catholic school. I do not find it fair that other taxpayers should be paying for our choice...especially when those taxpayers already pay for the public option for my kids. It is just that simple. I also do not want our public schools to suffer because of this program.
 
I have stated many times on this site my feelings on the Voucher program. Just a recap on where I stand.

I (and my kids) are proud alums of a our Parish's Small Catholic Grade/Middle School. I have been overjoyed with both the education and the positivity within the school over these many years...all the way back to when I was a student. My nephew is the principle now and I can tell you he is not making anywhere near what he did when he was in the public schools......but like the teachers who work with him...it is a labor of love and they are happy.

Now, although we saw some crazy/scary things for our kids (and what they witnessed) after moving onto the public schools, my family has also always been strong supporters of our public school system. I still have a child just entering 9th grade. And we will continue to support our district.

We are also very lucky that our district is incredibly cash rich. They keep spending money and building new things. It is truly amazing.

As for the voucher system. It is not something I am for. My parents and my wife and I made the CHOICE to send our kids to the Catholic school. I do not find it fair that other taxpayers should be paying for our choice...especially when those taxpayers already pay for the public option for my kids. It is just that simple. I also do not want our public schools to suffer because of this program.

I’m extremely fortunate my blue collar parents decided to pay for my Catholic school education as well - and never expected the government to reimburse them.
 
This is why they are freaking out. They have been the only widget store in a town. They no longer understand the concept of actual dollars and budgeting like a business.
Every public school in the state has to certify a budget, submit a certified annual report, and conduct an audit every single year. Private schools are not beholden to any of this.

Just say you don't know anything about school finance to save us all some time.
 
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Well on the non-Christian part...Dowlings numbers reported in thar report say 7% non Catholic. So obviously they do accept students that do not share the same faith. Granted I do not see many people that are not into the faith wanting to send their kids there. Funny thing is the faith part is going to cost some extra money.

And it is not my number, the 12k, come straight from their budget overview.

A student being from a poor family or not is not relevant...the state and local community is paying their way to public school.

Just saying 12k goes much farther, with much better results, than what is paid for publicly.

I have been running these types of numbers going on 30 years. When I first got involved in political campaigns it was in education and the politics of it. The typical private school budget has always been less than the public schools. Yes there are some crazy high end private schools that even wealthy people cannot afford...but those are not the norm.
Have you ever seen how much help a kid with cerebral palsy takes? Are there any at Dowling? How would they handle that?
 
Every public school in the state has to certify a budget, submit a certified annual report, and conduct an audit every single year. Private schools are not beholden to any of this.

Just say you don't know anything about school finance to save us all some time.
Geebuss. Everyone knows this but in question is what they are spending it on. City government is similar as they pass budgets yearly and just add a %- both notorious for spending their max to show they need more the next year with zero thought of cutting.
 
What makes you think school administrators can't and don’t budget. Public employees budget all the time and often the budgets are stricter and more set in stone than private companies.
You would call it strict, I would call it earmarked. Just now are they having to deal with getting every remotely creative with how and where the money goes.
 
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Geebuss. Everyone knows this but in question is what they are spending it on. City government is similar as they pass budgets yearly and just add a %- both notorious for spending their max to show they need more the next year with zero thought of cutting.
Jesus, this is so inaccurate. Look at the unspent balances across the state and tell me that schools are spending to the maximum. Schools are extremely conservative and fiscally responsible as a whole. This will be even more the case with the current dipshits running our state.

Not to mention schools are required to publish all claims on a monthly basis and to post gross earnings for all employees at the end of every fiscal year. If you truly wanted to know where schools are spending their money, all you would have to do is look.
 
Then they should get ZERO public money.
Wrong!

People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.

You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.

I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.

Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.
 
You would call it strict, I would call it earmarked. Just now are they having to deal with getting every remotely creative with how and where the money goes.
Someone doesn't know what "earmarked" means.

Another of your many demonstrations showing your lack of intelligence.
 
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Wrong!

People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.

You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.

I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.

Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.
This is the far rights new efforts at segregation. Start with the cripples and then work toward the gays and on to the black people. They are the anti-civil rights advocates of the 50s and 60s.

Deplorable.
 
Wrong!

People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.

You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.

I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.

Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.
Any school that receives public funding should be held to the same standard as public schools have been held to forever.

This is really, really simple.
 
Wrong!

People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit.

You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at.

I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.

Catholic or private schools are not equipped nor should they be to handle these kids.

If they’re going to accept public funding by way of vouchers, why should they not also have to accept public rules on providing support for all kids?

You seem to be pushing the idea that all special education students need special facilities/accommodations. That’s not the case.
 
People send their children to private schools to get an education, many of these special needs kids are incapable of learning and sent to school just to be babysit. You are robbing normal children of an education when half the classroom time is spent by a teacher or a para trying to calm down a screaming child who has zero idea where they are at. I'm sorry but that's the reality of it.

To a point I agree with this,.. There is a line beyond which exist children that simply do not belong on the normal K-12 educational path.
 
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To a point I agree with this,.. There is a line beyond which exist children that simply do not belong on the normal K-12 educational path.
And they aren't. School's have special education programs for these kids that are separate from the mainstream. They will integrate some of the other students to provide aid as an opportunity for both the special needs child and the student helper.
 
One cool thing about the vouchers is most existing private schools are Catholic schools and those schools pump out more pinkos who resent American Christians than anything Mao or Stalin could have concocted. Especially now that more poor kids will be going there.
 
And they aren't. School's have special education programs for these kids that are separate from the mainstream. They will integrate some of the other students to provide aid as an opportunity for both the special needs child and the student helper.

I guess what I'm saying is that the line dividing normal from special needs & disruptive is currently misplaced...
 
Well on the non-Christian part...Dowlings numbers reported in thar report say 7% non Catholic. So obviously they do accept students that do not share the same faith. Granted I do not see many people that are not into the faith wanting to send their kids there. Funny thing is the faith part is going to cost some extra money.

And it is not my number, the 12k, come straight from their budget overview.

A student being from a poor family or not is not relevant...the state and local community is paying their way to public school.

Just saying 12k goes much farther, with much better results, than what is paid for publicly.

I have been running these types of numbers going on 30 years. When I first got involved in political campaigns it was in education and the politics of it. The typical private school budget has always been less than the public schools. Yes there are some crazy high end private schools that even wealthy people cannot afford...but those are not the norm.
The fact you would seriously try to answer that says you're not too bright.
 
One cool thing about the vouchers is most existing private schools are Catholic schools and those schools pump out more pinkos who resent American Christians than anything Mao or Stalin could have concocted. Especially now that more poor kids will be going there.

In my experience Catholic education has created more non-religious and anti-christian people than almost anything else I can think of...
 
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And they aren't. School's have special education programs for these kids that are separate from the mainstream. They will integrate some of the other students to provide aid as an opportunity for both the special needs child and the student helper.
You haven't been in a classroom lately, I can tell you they have children who do nothing but drool and scream the entire class. The other kids are impacted by this constant disruption, this isn't fair to the children who go to school to learn.
 
I guess what I'm saying is that the line dividing normal from special needs & disruptive is currently misplaced...
And I am saying what you're saying is misinformed as evidenced by your posts that demonstrate you have no clue how it works.
 
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