Not sure about your assessment. Where do we have anyone on offense who would start for any other team? A TE or RB maybe. Buying players with NIL will be our only chance. It's only gonna get worse next year so yes we are as bad as Haydens last years
Is Kirk leaving us worse that Hayden did?
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Then proceeds to blame recruiting on message board posts instead of having the worst offense in the country. Really can't make this stuff up.
Too bad i dont care what the last 10 results vs each of the Big 3 is considering Ohio state was on the schedule twice and Michigan 3 times (not counting B1GCG) since the East snd West became a thing. Thats a lot of avoidance being in the B1G west.
Thank you. Iowa has been a run and TE first offense since Ferentz got here. How quickly everyone forgets not having our two top TE's and QB. In addition RB injuries have not helped. Would our offense play as badly with these guys, no. Would we score 25 a game, probably not. Should Brian be canned, yes. He gets out coached every second half. I personally don't think he coaches well, off script.
Because Iowa recruits a lot of quality young men. They're not quitters.
I didn’t say this board, I eluded to the fan base including this board, again another cherry picking fake.
A healthy KJ, Lachey, All, … u can’t be serious. Kj rides a bike for 10 mins before entering the game. His carries r preempted and have to be planned by bike time, thus he has a significant soft tissue injury that is obviously hampering his play. He was looked at as an all BIG type of back coming off of last yr. Again, some of you have no clue.
Chuck Long said on a podcast that Fry wanted to retire after the 95 season and the players talked him into to staying. If Kirk decided to retire the defense talent is fine but most obvious is the offense needs new life.
When Fry left the cupboard was empty. So no - we are not close to where we were when Fry left. There is talent on this team.
I think it’s safe to say we all scratch our heads about why Kirk has dug his heels in when the offense has reached catastrophic proportions.
We had Ken OKeefe and who woulda thunk we’d long for those days
He brought in Davis and that was a flop
And then he named buy wonder the OC in what has to be one of the biggest coaching gaffes in recent times
KF should step away at the end of the season. Brian will be gone. And competition is going to get way harder. Now, Brian will be lucky to be OLine coach at Jefferson Elementary. Kirk did his son no favors.
The time for change is now. Kirk’s stubbornness and flippant reactions to any question that even half-way resembles a difficult question - shows he believes he is larger than Iowa football.
Reboot now … there is no Kirk 4.0
oh the tired, look at his records response
KF has done nothing to shore up one huge part of the program and we should just accept 8-4 average record?
by golly gee, thanks Kirk for beating up a bunch of no name non-conference teams and the bottom of the barrel big ten west teams
That’s like saying, how do we know Nick Saban won’t be the coach in 3 years.
I think a lot of defensive recruits would love to play for PParker. He can make them a lot better, especially in the secondary, and his Lbkrs are in the league, as well as DLinemen. If Parker stays the defense will be very good to great.
Remember, the goofers beat iowa 55-0 or something like that in Fry's last game. Kirk could get the offense better by next year with a new OC, more portal players etc
But Kirk is pushing 68 so I think it is time for him to retire and let's get a coach who can score 31 pts per game avg
If I was a talented high school prospect, the first thing I'd do is go online and study the crap out of every team's fan message boards. Dumbass
I was there also how sad. Looks like it’s happening again.
The Hawks are 23-9 over the last 3 years. HF was 3-8 in his last year. All is not lost as this point.
Yes, much worse and the athletic department will be broken from decades of the Ferentz fraud. With little or no payback too. Besides the one time bribe to the hospital that he knew would get him the job for life.
This thread is not comparing the Iowa program to "good". It's comparing it to the end of the Fry era.
The program is in much better shape than it was when Fry retired.
Jeez just think if Kirk and Brian would have done just an AVG job on offense. I would say those records after the 2015 season would each have at least 1 more win in them, probably two wins in the 8 win years.
Everything else being the same and with an avg #60 ranked offense, last years record includes easy wins over ISU, ILL, and Nebby and 11-2 record
2021 Iowa beats Purdue and Kentucky at least for a 12-2 record
2020 Iowa's offense was ranked about 90th so they beat jNW at home, win the West, and are 7-1
2016 and 2018 at least 2 more wins
And those are stratospheric records in Iowa football history. Might even be a couple more wins in there for 8-10 more wins and Kirk is 3rd all time in Big Wins
To answer the OP's question....we won't know until Kirk leaves.
If Deacon Hill is playing QB at Northwestern, you have some of your answer.
Betts, Woods, Kampman, Khalil Hill, decent TEs, McCann better than what we have now
I've made the argument a dozen times if Ferentz would have recruited skilled offensive players and graduated to a modern offensive scheme Iowa would not be at the bottom of Division 1 in total offense yearly. What's so hard to grasp? Watch other games. This is modern day football. QBs throw the ball and WRs catch the football. 1st downs. TDs. How many TDs has Iowa scored? How many has the offense scored?
Defense is great but when the offense is powerless the defense is on the field. 10 points against Minny. Jesus. One capable(?) QB. Minus rushing yds in a half. This is 3rd rate football.
I grew up a fanatic Iowa fan. I an Iowa fan, not a Ferentz fan as more than many seem to be. The game left him.
History does not make a coach make, or keep.
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Again, I do not dispute the fact the Iowa offense is abysmal, likely broken and in need of a complete overhaul or it will continue to cost Iowa games and Kirk Ferentz affection from the Iowa fan base.
But AGAIN, none of that invalidates the accomplishments he has achieved as a future College Football Hall of Fame coach at Iowa.
Jeremy Allen FB Pro
Kevin Kasper WR Pro
Ladell Betts RB Pro
Zeron Flemister TE Pro
Austin Wheatley TE Pro
Dallas Clark TE Pro
Eric Steinbach OL Pro
Robert Gallery OL Pro
Bruce Nelson OL Pro
Levar Woods LB Pro
Aaron Kampmann DL Pro
Matt Bowen DB Pro
Jason Baker P Pro
Stone cold facts right here. We only have his entire tenure to base this on after all.
The program was low on talent when Hayden left...but it wasn't an embarrassing punch line throughout college football.
I’m 47, no aspect or our team then was as bad as out offense has been. Recruiting offensive skill positions is going to get worse over the next few years. I think Kirk is a great person, did a great job for years. He’s getting in his own way now.. also, did you see the nfl talent on that team.
No question KF inherited much more Offenses talent than we have now. The defense and culture took a bit to turn around, I would guess discipline got pretty lax Hayden’s last 5 years.
I’m worried about our image, it’s going to be impossible to recruit offensive talent to Iowa right now.
In my view the 1997 was the sure sign that Hayden was finished, as he went 7-5 with the two best in-state skill position players of the past 50 years -- Tim Dwight and Tavian Banks -- both in their senior seasons. Hayden couldn't incorporate Dwight into a passing game, and Iowa's run scheme was outdated that showed up against the good teams on their schedule that year (Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin). Iowa also had a poor Kicker that season.
Kirk has had championship level defense and special teams from 2021-present, and just wasted them with an offense that crated starting in the middle of 2021. After 2021, Kirk made no changes ("betting on themselves"), then after last year, made no changes to the coaching staff or offensive scheme, figuring that the portal transfers would make a difference (didn't happen and the QB they brought was damaged from his 2022 knee surgery).
If Kirk stays for 2024, the offense is guaranteed to continue to crater, as it will be impossible for Iowa to attract any decent transfers or recruits on the offensive side of the ball -- also expecting transfers from the group of RBs. Unfortunately, 2024 with Kirk will look a lot like 1998 did for Hayden.
Kirk has had championship level defense and special teams from 2021-present, and just wasted them with an offense that crated starting in the middle of 2021. After 2021, Kirk made no changes ("betting on themselves"), then after last year, made no changes to the coaching staff or offensive scheme, figuring that the portal transfers would make a difference (didn't happen and the QB they brought was damaged from his 2022 knee surgery).
If Kirk stays for 2024, the offense is guaranteed to continue to crater, as it will be impossible for Iowa to attract any decent transfers or recruits on the offensive side of the ball -- also expecting transfers from the group of RBs. Unfortunately, 2024 with Kirk will look a lot like 1998 did for Hayden.
If he gets a new OC it would add a few years, and some decent recruits would want to be a part of it.
And yet, McCann (as a freshman) was 9-20 with 3 INTs and 115 yards and Reiners 2-7 with 1 INT for 20 yards in the 49-7 loss at Minnesota. In McCann's first season, in 8 games, he had 2 TDs and 5 INTs. Looks familiar.
Those players improved under Ferentz. Jury is still out on the current team.Here are Kyle McCann's over all numbers at Iowa. Bad to start. Improvement - yes.
It certainly wasn't good.
Iowa passing totals in 1998 by QBs --> 150 - 299 (about 50%) 1,911 yards with 6 TDs and 15 INTS.
Iowa rushing totals in 1998 --> averaged 36.9 rushing attempts for 80.9 yards for a 2.2 average.
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65% his Sr year? Wow. That’s incredible compared to what we have now.And yet, McCann (as a freshman) was 9-20 with 3 INTs and 115 yards and Reiners 2-7 with 1 INT for 20 yards in the 49-7 loss at Minnesota. In McCann's first season, in 8 games, he had 2 TDs and 5 INTs. Looks familiar.
Here are Kyle McCann's over all numbers at Iowa. Bad to start. Improvement - yes.
