I’ll take you up on that and attach results. I have no issue saying I’m wrong if that’s the case.
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Hate to break it to you my friend, but what Cael and company have done these last 12 years is very Gable-like. I know Cael doesn’t have the streak or the years yet but if you don’t see what’s happening you are wearing blinders or deciding not to see what’s right in front of you. And I hate it!! But it is what it is.
I have actually posted it on here more than once. Trust me, especially after Ohio State taking 13th and OkState 14th, it isn’t even close.
The funny thing is, if you don’t count last year against Cornell, because they couldn’t control the Ivies shutting down, they are the ONLY other team to finish in the top 10 every year during that timeframe.
I'm not sure where you're going here. Aside from Carl what have the PSU assistant coaches won? Telford isn't good enough but freaking Jimmy Kennedy is? C'mon man!
Carl has built a winning culture for sure, a lot built on NLWC funding, and a lot of it built on transcendent stars like DT and Bo. TnT have admitted that they need to do things different and have had some success with Lee and some transfers that really helped the program.
Until Spencer's knees got shredded we had one of the Golden Boys of the sport and it seemed things were really moving in the right direction. He destroyed the field at a FS event in 2020 and was undoubtedly the reason Gilman ran to Carl. Things have taken a dramatic turn since Lee's latest knee injury. What was supposed to be another championship season turned into the Larry Lee notebook 2.0 and now we're back to the drawing board.
All Cael and crew have to do is point to trophy case and countless wrestlers over the last decade with their hands raised on Saturday night… its all about the culture
you know what Iowa did last night… they celebrated Jakes runner up…. 30 seconds after he was chasing Dean around the mat, their social media put out tweet congratulating JWs runner up accomplishment. Now, im not saying there is isnt a time and place to give JW his hand shake and say good job in a solid tourney run, but your rival just went 5/5 on Saturday night… maybe hold off on the congrats on the runnerup…
while we are speaking about runner up… aside for last year, Iowa has been runner up 1 time over the last decade. And maybe we are spoiled as fans to have be lucky enough for some top 5 finshes…but the standard is winning and if your standards have been questioned, you dont surround yourself with runner ups.
You have issues with the university praising an athlete immediately after a good showing?
Btw, ten runners up probably win a team national championship.
Yeah, let’s grab the pitchforks and chase Warner out of Iowa City for not coming away with first. Anyone who isn’t first needs to GTFO
Has nothing to do with praising.. has everything to do with timing. There was a time when fans celebrated McD throwing a second place trophy in the trash.
best of luck selling a program that is content with coming in 3rd, to recruits that want to grow and win individual awards..
#1- YES, they must take a look at what they are doing. I wrote about it several times already, but in a nut shell. Someone, somehow, find out what kind of training they are doing in the off season? Maybe, some answers could be found here?
I would not wrestle any tough matches till after break, season is too long I believe and the grind of practice appears to be an issue.
#2-YES, I believe that they are too limited on the way they teach. I know for instance they do not like Leg rides. Eierman only one doing it and that is because he came over as a JR. I remember Evans use to use it and as time went on it became less and less till zero. Everyone has different styles. Develop/improve what the kids already have and do! DeSanto not being able to finish even one shot on RBY in like the last 5 matches has me stumped!
#3 Someone said it very clearly somewhere. What is typically known as IOWA STYLE does not work well when the F-in refs do not call stalling!!! Clearly rules have to be changed. PUSH OUTS like FS would be a great start. How about a rule about this new "funk" crap. Something like. If offensive wrestlers A shoots, and defensive Wrestler B dives on an ankle. If no wrestler scores and it is blown a stale mate. Wrestler B gets a stall call. This is by rule a stall because many times you are avoiding action! Reward OFFENSIVE Wrestling! My MOM watching NCAA finals probable 15 year ago said. "You could never have wrestled like this." She was 100% dead right! I would have been stalled out of the match before the 3rd period just on the parallel rides for GOD sake!!!
#4 RECRUITMENT, find a way to get to the F*** st level or die!!! I understand whatever it is they are doing maybe shady etc.... but they are getting away with it!!! With this new NIL crap, new doors are open for more "creative ways" of bringing in kids. Figure it out and fast! They recruited OVER a 197 and 285 AA type Wrestler. Let that sink in. Say round of 16 or better wrestlers at the 2 toughest weights to fill. Not only that. they then added TWO more 2nd semester kids!?!?!? I am still wondering how you do this??? Remember the stud kid from Cali who went MMA. Forget his name right now, but they said in part he didn't have grades. So you sign him up 2nd semester. No GPA to maintain, hell do you even have to go to classes. This must be great for B-ball. get kids off the street for their march sh*t show! need to average at least 1 top ten P4p kid a year! My aim/goal would be 2. Believe ohio st landed 3 this year right?
#5 YEP, better get Jiggy wit it. New era is here take the lead.
#8Use the new girls wrestling to help grow the mens. I am not a huge fan of girls wrestling but it is growing fast and appears here to stay. They lady HAWKS seem to be building a dynasty team right now. How this will play out remains to be seen? I would however be using it to my advantage. Recruiting weekends bringing in guys and girls, side by side duals when wrestling a less quality opponent to fill the house. tournaments, camps, be the first and best place for the ladies. Have they guys run clinics to make money. How about facilities? When the new one is built can the old one become the girls room? Have the two best facilities in the country.
Just to add one other thing. Practice some "big" moves! Not just us but... remember Mcd hitting that headlock, or how about the one in Minnesota! Just a couple of examples but when someone was down by a few points with say 30 seconds to go you might as well go get yourself a cone because the match is over. MAN give yourself a shot!!!! See guys diving in on a double down by 4 with time winding down What the hell!?!?!?!
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Just saw what happened to the Iowa WBB Team and the Men's previously. So this was a really bad week for Iowa sports. Wrestling included, compared to our higher expectations.
This isn't the 80's and 90's and Gable is not coming back to Coach. Move on.
Gotta adjust to reality and try to do better.
With the Coaches contract extensions it seems like everyone that wants new coaches is just "pissing into the wind" and throwing a tantrum. The whiners come and blow off steam and will be gone soon. Weather the storm.
I saw a quote from Kurt Warner's father in law where he said something to the effect of it's not what you do in life or what you accomplish. It's WHO you become. Character is the important thing and the only thing you can take with you when you leave this Earth.
Most of the guys on this team seem to be well along that pathway. They may not have won individual titles or the Team Titles this year. Lots of injuries prevented getting close to making it happen. But I don't think there is anyone on this team that I would not want to be my friend or next door neighbor or date my daughter if I had one. In fact I would probably try and introduce her to everyone on the Team.....just hoping.
It was a fun year, sad ending. Life happens, but life is good. Carry on.
Can't wait to see the New Dragons coming in this fall with Spencer leading the charge.
This isn't the 80's and 90's and Gable is not coming back to Coach. Move on.
Gotta adjust to reality and try to do better.
With the Coaches contract extensions it seems like everyone that wants new coaches is just "pissing into the wind" and throwing a tantrum. The whiners come and blow off steam and will be gone soon. Weather the storm.
I saw a quote from Kurt Warner's father in law where he said something to the effect of it's not what you do in life or what you accomplish. It's WHO you become. Character is the important thing and the only thing you can take with you when you leave this Earth.
Most of the guys on this team seem to be well along that pathway. They may not have won individual titles or the Team Titles this year. Lots of injuries prevented getting close to making it happen. But I don't think there is anyone on this team that I would not want to be my friend or next door neighbor or date my daughter if I had one. In fact I would probably try and introduce her to everyone on the Team.....just hoping.
It was a fun year, sad ending. Life happens, but life is good. Carry on.
Can't wait to see the New Dragons coming in this fall with Spencer leading the charge.
If they aren’t going to start enforcing stalling it’ll change the rules to prevent it, then we need to start coaching guys to stall like Penn State. Unfortunately “if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em” applies or we’re going to continue to play third fiddle.
I agree that some diversity of experience in the room could be helpful. Nothing against Star or Telford at all. But no doubt having Mark Johnson and J. Robinson made that room extremely well rounded. Obviously could backfire too, but I also think it’s at least worth thinking about making some tough decisions here. Would have to be somebody who could fit in with t&Ty’s energy though.
Actually why not someone with ice water in their veins to balance out T&T's energy.
So, you needed a period of mourning before congratulating Warner on his accomplishments?
Lots of great points in this thread.
One thing I really agree with is that the Iowa coaching staff is in desperate need of some new blood, and definitely a new S&C coach.
I’m in no position to say who should be kicked out. Ideally M* and/ Telford find better opportunities/head coaching gigs. I’m not saying I want them gone. I just think Iowa needs a splash hire that reflects today’s wrestling. As many of you said, there’s no one on staff that can teach great funk and scrambling (if you can teach it).
Iowa needs to evolve their style. In recruiting and coaching. That’s easier said then done.
One thing I really agree with is that the Iowa coaching staff is in desperate need of some new blood, and definitely a new S&C coach.
I’m in no position to say who should be kicked out. Ideally M* and/ Telford find better opportunities/head coaching gigs. I’m not saying I want them gone. I just think Iowa needs a splash hire that reflects today’s wrestling. As many of you said, there’s no one on staff that can teach great funk and scrambling (if you can teach it).
Iowa needs to evolve their style. In recruiting and coaching. That’s easier said then done.
As i mentioned above… im not sure if thats the appropriate tome to push that out. Especially when PSU and their guys are advertising all over the post match interviews…..
So, the two teams were celebrating their respective successes at the same time. Interesting…..
Is it possible even more teams were celebrating AT THE SAME TIME?
They literally just hired Alex Harmer in September of 2021 after not having one for over a year.
As far as recruiting goes, I think a shift away from grinders to more raw athletic guys if we can't get a top 10 p4p.
Training and recovery cycle has to rethought completely. This year it really stands out how many guys didn't make it through a season, most were the super seniors. Think back how many of guys under Brands didn't finish their final year heathly. McD, DSJ, Moore, M*, CC, Kemdog. Injuries happen, but something ain't right. I said it before, S&C position shouldn't just be a former wrestler, there should be some serious credentials as a PT.
Training and recovery cycle has to rethought completely. This year it really stands out how many guys didn't make it through a season, most were the super seniors. Think back how many of guys under Brands didn't finish their final year heathly. McD, DSJ, Moore, M*, CC, Kemdog. Injuries happen, but something ain't right. I said it before, S&C position shouldn't just be a former wrestler, there should be some serious credentials as a PT.
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I'm sure the staff is scanning the boards for ideas on improvement and strategy as we speak.... and they will benifit from it...lol...
And what are the celebrating? Hey Warner has nothing to be ashamed about but im sure any competitor at that level would never say that runner up was something to be acknowledged.
For the most part, I'm in this ☝️ camp. Tweaks needed, sky not falling. That said, some of my fan observations (speaking 'on average', and mostly in comparison to PSU studs and maybe recent individual champs in general). Iowa guys:
1) less well conditioned (or wear themselves out too easily)
2) less attack diversity, too predictable.
3) less scrambling ability
4) less lateral/foot quickness
5) less able/willing/trained to game plan against specific opponent they'll face. Fine if you are SL, but not for most in big matches.
Recruiting is the biggie to me, but always easier said than done. I would closely study winners from the last 10 years. Body style, cutters/natural weight, diverse/flexible attackers vs studs at a couple moves, strong, quick, or both, mentally intense/focused vs relaxed. Interesting side note comes from a book I recently read on generalists vs specialists (not focused on sports, but many sports examples). Summary - unless your 'activity' is clearly repetitive (e.g., a golf stroke), having more of a generalist background especially during early training years is superior. So maybe look for guys that mixed in a little boxing, judo, gymnastics, etc. in their training., not just wrestling from day 1. No clue if it has any merit, but made sense to me.
Please understand, it was an official school press release.
You brought up McD not being happy with second place back in the day. However, Warner didn’t put out an official school release celebrating his second place finish, right? The una-freaking-versity did.
See, Stu?
Keeping the inner circle and shit canning this forum would be a good start.
No. I get your point. Trust me. I’m not happy with the results, either.
However, you equating an official congratulations from the U of I to an athlete for a second place finish to McD not being happy finishing second is sketch at best to me.
No I definitely understand not settling for anything other than first.
But damn man. Warner should feel proud of what he accomplished this week (he came in as 6 seed), but not satisfied (he’s capable of winning it). You can do both at the same time.
Thanks for bringing up that part. Warner wrestled well above his seed, should be proud and probably still wasn’t reel happy Saturday night.
Bingo. Nothing is going to change. They had a couple freakishly good recruiting years, got one team NC and one wrestler with a NC out of it, and now the well isn’t empty but it’s certainly not full. They are who they are and it is what it is.
Lol....it's the same shit over and over here if we happen to under perform at all......all the experts come in to vent the frustration. We had some bad luck the last couple of years with covid and injuries...."shit happens"!
It has nothing to do with Warners accomplishments as a whole… the inititial point was about the overall culture within the program. I have no doubt that Tom wants to win and 2 nd is not acceptable in his eyes…. But, the product on the mat suggests that a winning attitude and mindset is not prevalent. Hence me then bringing in M* or Telford… two guys that never won a natty and are expected to compete against other programs/staffs with better resumes, and better results on a national and international level.
Looks to me like the natives are restless and there's lots of frustration. That's probably true for the team as well.
I expect that TnT will do a post-mortem on this season, asking themselves:
"What's not working and what IS working?"
Then they may talk to people connected to the program (Gable, Barta, team, etc.), and then make some decisions. Expect changes.
I expect that TnT will do a post-mortem on this season, asking themselves:
"What's not working and what IS working?"
Then they may talk to people connected to the program (Gable, Barta, team, etc.), and then make some decisions. Expect changes.
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