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Pennstate1985 said:
Here's the difference between the two. Tom brands had nothing to do with getting drunk and breaking into people's homes. Once he found out about it, he dismissed them from the team almost immediately. At Minnesota, team members were allegedly dealing drugs and JRob allegedly covered up this much more serious criminal activity.
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What f*cked up world do we live in where selling adderall is a more serious crime than stealing and breaking into someone's home. One is a violent crime that victimizes a person without their consent. The other is a crime of selling a drug to a consenting adult without a prescription or license.

I think J-rob should be fired - but not for his lack of reporting this crime to the police. He should be fired b/c the MN program has gone to sh*t. Like I've said previously, if he reported the crime to the police and the wrestlers were charged, they would be facing felonies and jail time. Serving time locked behind bars being a burden to society because they sold a chemical to an adult who willfully took it knowing the consequences.

At worst that crime, should result in a fine and probation.
 
Media: "anonymous allegations..."
U of MN: "Internal investigation automatically triggered by an anonymous complaint to EthicsPoint"
Police: "insufficient evidence to prosecute"
Iowa Fans: "Must be true, hang'em high."
 
jammenz said:
Media: "anonymous allegations..."
U of MN: "Internal investigation automatically triggered by an anonymous complaint to EthicsPoint"
Police: "insufficient evidence to prosecute"
Iowa Fans: "Must be true, hang'em high."
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It's not about the crime. It's the fact that he knew it happened and only had them write a paper without reporting it.
 
Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
What f*cked up world do we live in where selling adderall is a more serious crime than stealing and breaking into someone's home. One is a violent crime that victimizes a person without their consent. The other is a crime of selling a drug to a consenting adult without a prescription or license.

I think J-rob should be fired - but not for his lack of reporting this crime to the police. He should be fired b/c the MN program has gone to sh*t. Like I've said previously, if he reported the crime to the police and the wrestlers were charged, they would be facing felonies and jail time. Serving time locked behind bars being a burden to society because they sold a chemical to an adult who willfully took it knowing the consequences.

At worst that crime, should result in a fine and probation.
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Are you for real? This non-crime as you call it killed 7,000 people last year. More than coke did. One crime is about trespassing and stealing property. The other can destroy lives. You need to educate yourself a little bit here.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
Are you for real? This non-crime as you call it killed 7,000 people last year. More than coke did. One crime is about trespassing and stealing property. The other can destroy lives. You need to educate yourself a little bit here.
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How many people does alcohol kill a year? 10x that number. Over 80k per year. Alcohol is legal. The only people who die from adderall are the people who make a conscious choice to consume it.

How can you possibly claim that stealing property and breaking into someone's house is less severe of a crime than taking an illegal drug? With breaking into a house/property, the victim did not consent to that action, with dying from consuming a drug, the victim, is suffering the consequence of their direct action - choosing to consume a drug that can be very harmful.

Yet, our society is going to continue to place the burden on the government to protect people from the consequences of their consumption. How about we place the burden and responsibility on the individual.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
Are you for real? This non-crime as you call it killed 7,000 people last year. More than coke did. One crime is about trespassing and stealing property. The other can destroy lives. You need to educate yourself a little bit here.
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Consuming alcohol is not a crime. You can legally consume as much as you want. You can legally be an alcoholic. This kills multitudes more than adderall. The difference is our culture is accepting of alcohol. People understand that it's their own responsibility monitor their consumption and that the government shouldn't be the one monitoring you. Your attitude on this is why the U.S. has the highest non-violent crime incarceration rate in the world. Perpetuating a failed drug war and a massive waste of resources/loss of personal responsibility/freedom.
 
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Pennstate1985 said:
Are you for real? This non-crime as you call it killed 7,000 people last year. More than coke did. One crime is about trespassing and stealing property. The other can destroy lives. You need to educate yourself a little bit here.
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That and the seller or users do not know the drug interactions (for the most part) and how they affect the user. This is just not like pot or beer as these have real consequences to individual health. Doctor's are now very careful about who/what they they are prescribing to.

For all of Jammenz obfuscation, he still cannot get past the fact that J knew about a drug problem on his team and didn't do much about it.

Iowa fans in general, have been supportive of J but our guys faced real consequences for their behavior. Turns out, for all of Jammenz heming/hawing, the courts felt like it wasn't a big deal in the case of our three guys and nobody served time. Still, Brands kicked them off the team. One guy was able to work his way back on needing the athletic dept and Brands approval. Don't blame us for Minne being f*cked up.
 
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Azchief32 said:
That and the seller or users do not know the drug interactions (for the most part) and how they affect the user. This is just not like pot or beer as these have real consequences to individual health. Doctor's are now very careful about who/what they they are prescribing to.

For all of Jammenz obfuscation, he still cannot get past the fact that J knew about a drug problem on his team and didn't do much about it.

Iowa fans in general, have been supportive of J but our guys faced real consequences for their behavior. Turns out, for all of Jammenz heming/hawing, the courts felt like it wasn't a big deal in the case of our three guys and nobody served time. Still, Brands kicked them off the team. One guy was able to work his way back on needing the athletic dept and Brands approval. Don't blame us for Minne being f*cked up.
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At the end of the day, it's always the individual's responsibility to be aware of what they are consuming and the effects it has on your health (especially in the case of recreational drugs). Pain killers and opiates are one of the most over-prescribed drugs in this country and thousands of people a year die from overdoses for drugs they had prescriptions for.

The fact that alcohol is such a widespread part of our culture does not negate the fact that it's one of the most dangerous recreational drugs you can take. Society just accepts that fact and accepts all of the deaths/crimes that occur while under the influence of alcohol.
 
Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Consuming alcohol is not a crime. You can legally consume as much as you want. You can legally be an alcoholic.
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Not if you are under the age of 21 you can't. Comparing prescription drugs and alcohol is apples and oranges. But speaking of, combining alcohol and Xanax is potentially fatal. With all my meds, I can't drink. I am ok with that but I doubt my 20 year old self would have been.

Stick to the alcohol/weed argument.

Added: I get your individual choice/responsibility point, but if you are part of a team and represent the university, you have to abide by the rules. Just like we have to in the military.

I don't even want to estimate the # of ODs of young people related to prescription drugs that my wife has treated in the ICU but it's a weekly thing. So let's not remove the stigma just yet.
 
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Azchief32 said:
Not if you are under the age of 21 you can't. Comparing prescription drugs and alcohol is apples and oranges. But speaking of, combining alcohol and Xanax is potentiall fatal. With all my meds, I can't drink. I am ok with that but I doubt my 20 year old self would have been.

Stick to the alcohol/weed argument.
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Combining alcohol with a massive number of drugs is potentially fatal, yet you still need no prescription to consume alcohol.

Any time the drug laws are brought up, people can not remove their bias that alcohol is a culturally accepted drug. If this was a new drug just discovered today, there is no f*cking way it would be legal while many, much less dangerous recreational drugs are illegal.

My point is that we should not be locking people behind bars for non-violent crimes. We should let individuals have sovereignty and be responsible. People should be allowed to suffer the consequences of their actions. Instead we have a society that places the burden on the legal system and this results in a massive waste of resources with little positive benefit.

For someone in this thread to claim that selling adderall is more severe of a crime than stealing or breaking into someone's property/home shows how backwards our society's way of thinking has become.
 
Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
How many people does alcohol kill a year? 10x that number. Over 80k per year. Alcohol is legal. The only people who die from adderall are the people who make a conscious choice to consume it.

How can you possibly claim that stealing property and breaking into someone's house is less severe of a crime than taking an illegal drug? With breaking into a house/property, the victim did not consent to that action, with dying from consuming a drug, the victim, is suffering the consequence of their direct action - choosing to consume a drug that can be very harmful.

Yet, our society is going to continue to place the burden on the government to protect people from the consequences of their consumption. How about we place the burden and responsibility on the individual.
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This is going to be one of those agree to disagree discussions. I understand and respect where you are coming from, but I look at it from the standpoint that property can be replaced, but lives cannot. Not to mention that Xanax is a gateway to heroin, and that's bad news.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
This is going to be one of those agree to disagree discussions. I understand and respect where you are coming from, but I look at it from the standpoint that property can be replaced, but lives cannot. Not to mention that Xanax is a gateway to heroin, and that's bad news.
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You should be campaigning to make alcohol illegal then. It's very hard for people to remove their preconceived biases toward our societies acceptance of alcohol as a recreational drug even with the overwhelming statistics showing that alcohol is one of the most destructive drugs you can take.

With stealing or breaking into property, the victim has no control and they are not consenting to that action. They are subjected to the actions and unauthorized force of another person.

With drug consumption, the victim is the same person who is committing the destructive action. They are suffering the negative consequences of their voluntary choice to consume a dangerous drug.
 
jammenz said:
It's a good thing you didn't have lawyers and police when three Iowa wrestlers were facing 39 felony and misdemeanor charges, or you might have been calling for Tom Brand's head. It's probably a lot easier to get on your high horse when it is another team's coach, even if no charges have been filed.
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I'm not one who has piled on JRob, and have had respect for the man, with his long and distinguished career. Like many others on this board, I'm for getting the facts first, and let the courts decide if anything was illegal.

But seriously, jammenz, yours is one of the most moronic posts I've read in a while.
 
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I'm not one who has piled on JRob, and have had respect for the man, with his long and distinguished career. Like many others on this board, I'm for getting the facts first, and let the courts decide if anything was illegal.

But seriously, jammenz, yours is one of the most moronic posts I've read in a while.
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And that's saying a lot.
 
Pennstate1985 said:
Hard to press charges when you don't have the pills as proof if reports are true. Statements and essays don't prove anything. Sometimes you know a crime has been committed but can't get a conviction. That may be so here. However and as AZ said on BWI, there is a difference between being charged with a crime and losing your status/scholarship on the team. The threshold for being kicked off the team is much, much lower than for a criminal proceeding, so I would expect one or more members of the team to be missing come this fall.

Firing JRob for not reporting alleged dealing would be the right thing to do. Firing him and not penalizing those who were dealing would be the wrong thing to do.
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I agree with you 100%, I knew about this before it was made public but did not say anything. That is why I don't understand why they are saying no charges (well as of now) to the wrestlers.
Would think they would at least like to know how and who got all these pills for them...Maybe the wrestlers got deal if they informed the authorites how they came into the pills.
 
jammer I never called for js head. I think he should have resigned before it got to this point for the sake of Minnesota wrestling.i do not know what did or did not happen. I do know a room full of guys and potential recruit do not know who will be coaching that team. jay robinson has been one of the people I have had a lot of respect for in wrestling, but prolonging this is not good for your program, if it was brands I would say the same.
 
Is_there_vodka_in_heaven said:
Combining alcohol with a massive number of drugs is potentially fatal, yet you still need no prescription to consume alcohol.

Any time the drug laws are brought up, people can not remove their bias that alcohol is a culturally accepted drug. If this was a new drug just discovered today, there is no f*cking way it would be legal while many, much less dangerous recreational drugs are illegal.

My point is that we should not be locking people behind bars for non-violent crimes. We should let individuals have sovereignty and be responsible. People should be allowed to suffer the consequences of their actions. Instead we have a society that places the burden on the legal system and this results in a massive waste of resources with little positive benefit.

For someone in this thread to claim that selling adderall is more severe of a crime than stealing or breaking into someone's property/home shows how backwards our society's way of thinking has become.
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I think those selling rec drugs are every bit as much of a threat to society as some drunk college kids stealing from a garage. I don't know why we are arguing which is worse. Both cases involve college kids breaking the law. We know the police and coaches initially came down hard on the Iowa kids. We think the Minnesota kids got a slap on the wrist but don't know the facts yet. All we can do is speculate until some concrete information is offered. If the allegations are true and JROB only made them write papers to the team, I would say that isn't enough. I hope that isn't the case.
 
brucefan said:
You want us to cut the speculation, the conjecture, and the rationalizations, huh? But you also want us to write a letter of support for J.Rob despite not actually knowing any of the facts of the case. Seems to me having "little doubt that this intentions were honorable" is baseless speculation, conjecture, and rationalization. But I guess it's OK because it's your speculation, conjecture, and rationalization.
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My response is based on JRob's 40 years of good coaching and solid service, not a rationalization. I didn't say that he didn't do something wrong, or that he's some kind of saint. I said that the legal system would handle this. I'm not speculating on the facts of this case as many of you are, but I am guilty of having faith in JRobs intentions. If he's guilty of something, the legal system will handle it. I didn't ask anyone to write a letter to exonerate him, only to let the legal system handle it. So many of you are enjoying his pain, and I just don't get that.
 
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grapplefann said:
Most of us realize that JRob isn't the first coach to get hamstrung by student misbehavior, and he won't be the last either. Unlike many of the others, I have little doubt that his intentions were honorable. Please consider allowing this guy to end his great career with a little dignity by jotting a quick email supporting JRob to the Minny Board of Regents.
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grapplefann said:
My response is based on JRob's 40 years of good coaching and solid service, not a rationalization. I didn't say that he didn't do something wrong, or that he's some kind of saint. I said that the legal system would handle this. I'm not speculating on the facts of this case as many of you are, but I am guilty of having faith in JRobs intentions. If he's guilty of something, the legal system will handle it. I didn't ask anyone to write a letter to exonerate him, only to let the legal system handle it. So many of you are enjoying his pain, and I just don't get that.
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Unclutch your pearls, Wilma. No one in this thread is "enjoying his pain". And unless someone else wrote that first post of yours that I responded to, you most certainly did ask people to write letters of support for him.
 
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Unclutch your pearls, Wilma. No one in this thread is "enjoying his pain". And unless someone else wrote that first post of yours that I responded to, you most certainly did ask people to write letters of support for him.
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All of the things being said about JRob right now would have been said about JoePa a few years ago. No one here knows dick so writing letters would be completely ridiculous.

I'll wait back and see how it plays out.
 
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There could not be more difference between Jrob and Joepa. Apples and lug nut comparison.
That crap should stop now.
 
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"Passing around at parties and sharing in the cost of the drugs" isn't drug dealing. Awesome. I'm not selling these, I'm just asking you to share in the cost.
 
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rossel 33 said:
hmmmm..... the story continues
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The more info that come out, if verified, shows JRob to be more concerned with his reputation and an attempt to withhold important facts. The Gopher Cartel will leave a stain on his legacy that likely wipes out ALL the positive things he had done in his career prior to this scandal.

I think it is safe to say that the collapse that started prior to the 2015 Nationals was the beginning of the end. Minnesota is destined for middle tier status and a return to irrelevance. While I can feel some empathy for the recruits that signed in November 2014 and after, the likely best case scenario is a transfer ASAP.

There is simply no way in hell that any member of the current staff can be retained. There had to be signs. Ignorance and lack of action cannot be excused.
 
So JRob's lawyer admits that his client knew about the drug problem for 4-6 weeks prior to the end of the season, but chose not to address it with the team until two days after the season ended. He then goes on two weeks vacation and FINALLY informs his boss about the scope of the problem upon his return, which was one day before the police started their own investigation based on a tip. And he wonders why the university is upset at him.

The story also paints JRob as self serving for himself and his program more than helping his kids. If he was more interested in helping the kids, he would have addressed the issue immediately rather than wait until the season ended. That's the very definition of self serving.

Looks like the problem first surfaced at the Southern Scuffle, as he was tipped off that one wrestler was high at a recent tournament. The only one it could be is the Scuffle I believe.
 
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I have read the latest release and I see a coach who is passionately trying to protect his athletes, maybe to a fault. The university will want to distance themselves from this black eye so he will likely lose his job, but I doubt he faces criminal charges.
 
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SPOONER said:
"Passing around at parties and sharing in the cost of the drugs" isn't drug dealing. Awesome. I'm not selling these, I'm just asking you to share in the cost.
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It's like if someone buys a 12-pack to split with you and you pay them back half of the value of the 12-pack, they're not "selling" you the beer because that would be illegal without a license. You're splitting the cost. Similar thing could be happening here.
 
sstark46 said:
It's like if someone buys a 12-pack to split with you and you pay them back half of the value of the 12-pack, they're not "selling" you the beer because that would be illegal without a license. You're splitting the cost. Similar thing could be happening here.
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Except that splitting the cost of a 12 pack isn't illegal. Splitting the cost of a prescription drug is illegal. Not that I believe cost sharing was involved here. That's just lawyer-speak.
 
FineMaterial said:
Read the comments on the story. Sales of torches and pitchforks have been brisk in Minnesota. Surprising.
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LOL! It's more like a normal everyday occurrence here (Twin Cities proper anyway). Lots of folks offended by........... well, everything, and apparently don't need to be bothered with a J.O.B................
 
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