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Last night, Feb 26, Jack McCaffery made it clear he won't be attending Iowa

No shit. The fans reaction to the "nepotism" is the main thing we're all talking about here.

Whether nepotism has even is existed is clearly debatable. Both Connor and Pat are big ten players. Connor definitely affected winning. And if you haven't noticed, Pat is no longer in the starting lineup and Fran is not force feeding him minutes
I suppose if you are still on the fence about Fran's nepotism, you probably still believe Brian Ferentz didn't get speical treatment in his rise to OC at University of Iowa.


Not really debateable about the special treatment and nepotism if you aren't a family member or for some reason have special loyalty towards Fran's family. CMAC started ahead of NBA player Keegan Murray and PMAC started ahead of NBA player Kris Murray. Only those that live in a world of unmeasureable and unquantifiable attributes would say either of the McCaffery boys should have started and played more minutes over the Murray brothers.


The good thing about Jack going elsewhere is it will mean Fran is no longer tempted to live vicariously through the B-ball play of his boys. Whatever PT Jack earns at his destination will be largely earned on his own, though he has had benefits as a Div1 coaches son of being part of the "insider" network that other players don't have. There is no hate involved---only belief we should all compete based on merit, not DNA.
 
Good luck to him wherever he plays. If Fran is still coaching Iowa next year and beyond, PMac will probably take his Covid year then I can see Jack transferring back to Iowa to play for his Dad to finish his college career or wherever Fran might be coaching at that time. Good luck to all three in their future endeavors.

Regarding Jack’s comments about the attacks, that’s on him for paying attention to it as his parents should be telling him to not be on social media. Anyone that spends anytime on it is wasting their time and energy. It truly is a cesspool of worthless information and nothing to take to heart or pay attention to what idiots have to say, Hawkeye fans or not.
 
Is it on the table that Patrick plays somewhere else next year? Going to be awkward for Fran recruiting when two of his sons choose to play elsewhere when they could be at Iowa. Would almost be malpractice for other staffs to not mention that.
 
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Is it on the table that Patrick plays somewhere else next year? Going to be awkward for Fran recruiting when two of his sons choose to play elsewhere when they could be at Iowa. Would almost be malpractice for other staffs to not mention that.
This is the first I have heard of Patrick even playing another year.
 
I suppose if you are still on the fence about Fran's nepotism, you probably still believe Brian Ferentz didn't get speical treatment in his rise to OC at University of Iowa.


Not really debateable about the special treatment and nepotism if you aren't a family member or for some reason have special loyalty towards Fran's family. CMAC started ahead of NBA player Keegan Murray and PMAC started ahead of NBA player Kris Murray. Only those that live in a world of unmeasureable and unquantifiable attributes would say either of the McCaffery boys should have started and played more minutes over the Murray brothers.


The good thing about Jack going elsewhere is it will mean Fran is no longer tempted to live vicariously through the B-ball play of his boys. Whatever PT Jack earns at his destination will be largely earned on his own, though he has had benefits as a Div1 coaches son of being part of the "insider" network that other players don't have. There is no hate involved---only belief we should all compete based on merit, not DNA.
Conner would not have played for most other Bigs with the same traits he had at Iowa. PM s demotion was for other reasons.
Excuse me, I misspoke. Nepotism on the basketball team is not debatable. There has been none.

Keegan and Kris were not yet NBA caliber players in the seasons you are referring to. As a matter of fact, Kris was a bonehead play waiting to happen until halfway through his second season. They had a high arch in their development and they continue to develop as players. If you recall, they had but one offer coming out of high school.

The season Keegan didn't start Iowa was using a 4 guard lineup with Garza. Nunge didn't start either. So other than JBo, who manned the PG spot, essentially any of the other guards could have been replaced by Keegan. But nobody complains that Frederick started over Keegan. Just the coach's son. Shoot, by your logic Keegan should have started over Wieskamp and Garza, as he is clearly the better NBA player today.

But at that time, Garza and Weezy were better players than Keegan. And that team was built around Garza. Red Auerbach said the best lineup isn't necessarily the best five players, but rather the five that play the best together. Connor lead the nation in assist/TO ratio that season and was a big part of Luka's success. There wouldn't be any problem with an upperclassmen who leads the nation in assist/TO ratio starting over a freshman that's still developing, if Connor wasn't the coach's son.

The team was built differently in the following season. Subsequently Connor was no longer a starter. Kris played more minutes than Connor and comparable minutes to Pat. The way that roster was constructed required Kris to be the backup center. And it turns out that Iowa was able to get a ton of mileage out of going small with him at center. And this was part of the reason they were able to beat Purdue in the tourney title game.

Whether Connor would have had similar success at other big ten schools is irrelevant. Most would agree that he affected winning at Iowa and that's all that matters. It also doesn't matter why Pat fell out of the starting lineup. The fact that Fran has not forced him back into the starting lineup speaks to the fact that favoritism is not in play.

I would not have made Brian OC if I were Kirk because I understand the ridiculous level of oversensitivity that people have about situations that appear to be nepotism. But Brian was a qualified candidate at the time of his hire
 
Excuse me, I misspoke. Nepotism on the basketball team is not debatable. There has been none.

Keegan and Kris were not yet NBA caliber players in the seasons you are referring to. As a matter of fact, Kris was a bonehead play waiting to happen until halfway through his second season. They had a high arch in their development and they continue to develop as players. If you recall, they had but one offer coming out of high school.

The season Keegan didn't start Iowa was using a 4 guard lineup with Garza. Nunge didn't start either. So other than JBo, who manned the PG spot, essentially any of the other guards could have been replaced by Keegan. But nobody complains that Frederick started over Keegan. Just the coach's son. Shoot, by your logic Keegan should have started over Wieskamp and Garza, as he is clearly the better NBA player today.

But at that time, Garza and Weezy were better players than Keegan. And that team was built around Garza. Red Auerbach said the best lineup isn't necessarily the best five players, but rather the five that play the best together. Connor lead the nation in assist/TO ratio that season and was a big part of Luka's success. There wouldn't be any problem with an upperclassmen who leads the nation in assist/TO ratio starting over a freshman that's still developing, if Connor wasn't the coach's son.

The team was built differently in the following season. Subsequently Connor was no longer a starter. Kris played more minutes than Connor and comparable minutes to Pat. The way that roster was constructed required Kris to be the backup center. And it turns out that Iowa was able to get a ton of mileage out of going small with him at center. And this was part of the reason they were able to beat Purdue in the tourney title game.

Whether Connor would have had similar success at other big ten schools is irrelevant. Most would agree that he affected winning at Iowa and that's all that matters. It also doesn't matter why Pat fell out of the starting lineup. The fact that Fran has not forced him back into the starting lineup speaks to the fact that favoritism is not in play.

I would not have made Brian OC if I were Kirk because I understand the ridiculous level of oversensitivity that people have about situations that appear to be nepotism. But Brian was a qualified candidate at the time of his hire
Nice party line. The Murrays earlier and Garza should have seen more light earlier. Banks should have been a 2 year starter. Not debatable. Now that we both flexed our keyboard muscles, how about this one. KF wasn't ready to be a HC.
 
I watched Jack at a game this year. What impressed me the most was his passing and court leadership. He was constantly calling out info to his team while on the court. His shot looks good, but it didn't appear he is an elite shooter. As far as shooting, I believe his fade away shot is is best.

In the only game I saw, he did lose his composure and was given a T. This only happened after Fran and Margaret were complaining. IMO, Fran was at Francon 5-6. West was in the lead and him swearing at the ref was not called for, the game was essentially decided.
"Francon". lol. good one!
 
Nice party line. The Murrays earlier and Garza should have seen more light earlier. Banks should have been a 2 year starter. Not debatable. Now that we both flexed our keyboard muscles, how about this one. KF wasn't ready to be a HC.
I have no idea what you're blabbering about in the first part of your post.

As for the last part of your post, you've proven to be either an idiot or a troll. KF won a bowl game in his 3rd season. And the following 3 seasons finished #8 in the country
 
"Francon". lol. good one!
You must not have seen the graphic before, you're welcome!!
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The point is that the negativity can have an effect.

Sure people have a right to their opinion. Sure people have a right to express it. But that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

When having been surveyed the data shows that coaches have consistently answered that dealing with the community and parents is the worst part of their job.

Yes, the negativity has an effect. Nothing good can come from it. And negative fans act like it's their right to hurt the team they cheer for. Get a clue
Iowa is no different than any other school. He is going to face negative comments no matter where he goes. Get a clue.

If Jack thinks everything is always going to be sunshine and roses somewhere else....he is in for a rude awakening. Best to take Outback Bowl's advice: stay off social media.

And no...I am not saying it's ok to berate players.
 
And there you have it keyboard warriors. Your insatiable negativity does have an effect and can in fact hurt the team you supposedly support.

Iowa is missing out on a good player. Hope you all are proud of yourselves
I'd agree with most that this is probably best for all parties concerned. I posted here probably 2 years ago that 1) Jack would be the best of the three, 2) that he never end up at Iowa. Many here called me crazy, and said there was NO way he didn't come to Iowa if Fran was still coaching. Just way to much negativity toward the family, earned or not. While its true that the players and coaches shouldn't be wandering social media to see whats said about them, the Mac clan is tuned in to twitter, etc, so ... Interesting though also that Jack didn't mention being involved in a vehicular death, and that was another reason he wants to put Iowa in his rear view mirror....It was after that incident became public, that he first said he wouldn't be coming to Iowa, so it certainly was part of the reason....
 
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He's already said he's not playing next year, at least not at Iowa......
I wonder if he'd think about going to play with Jack someplace. I wish Jack well, it seems the best choice for everyone. And I've said it before, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him coming back to play for his father at some point.
 
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I wonder if he'd think about going to play with Jack someplace. I wish Jack well, it seems the best choice for everyone. And I've said it before, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him coming back to play for his father at some point.
Well, where ever Jack goes, they have to have a spot and actually want Pmac. I kinda don't see him following younger bro either. I mean Pat has to be at least 7 years older? As for Jack, I'd put $$ down he will never play at Iowa. I'm not even sure Fran will be here more then a couple more years.
 
Excuse me, I misspoke. Nepotism on the basketball team is not debatable. There has been none.

Keegan and Kris were not yet NBA caliber players in the seasons you are referring to. As a matter of fact, Kris was a bonehead play waiting to happen until halfway through his second season. They had a high arch in their development and they continue to develop as players. If you recall, they had but one offer coming out of high school.

The season Keegan didn't start Iowa was using a 4 guard lineup with Garza. Nunge didn't start either. So other than JBo, who manned the PG spot, essentially any of the other guards could have been replaced by Keegan. But nobody complains that Frederick started over Keegan. Just the coach's son. Shoot, by your logic Keegan should have started over Wieskamp and Garza, as he is clearly the better NBA player today.

But at that time, Garza and Weezy were better players than Keegan. And that team was built around Garza. Red Auerbach said the best lineup isn't necessarily the best five players, but rather the five that play the best together. Connor lead the nation in assist/TO ratio that season and was a big part of Luka's success. There wouldn't be any problem with an upperclassmen who leads the nation in assist/TO ratio starting over a freshman that's still developing, if Connor wasn't the coach's son.

The team was built differently in the following season. Subsequently Connor was no longer a starter. Kris played more minutes than Connor and comparable minutes to Pat. The way that roster was constructed required Kris to be the backup center. And it turns out that Iowa was able to get a ton of mileage out of going small with him at center. And this was part of the reason they were able to beat Purdue in the tourney title game.

Whether Connor would have had similar success at other big ten schools is irrelevant. Most would agree that he affected winning at Iowa and that's all that matters. It also doesn't matter why Pat fell out of the starting lineup. The fact that Fran has not forced him back into the starting lineup speaks to the fact that favoritism is not in play.

I would not have made Brian OC if I were Kirk because I understand the ridiculous level of oversensitivity that people have about situations that appear to be nepotism. But Brian was a qualified candidate at the time of his hire
Make no mistake, starting Bohannon and Cmac in the same backcourt, really hampered any chance of Iowa ever doing anything in March. Just couldn’t defend or create for others. Not starting Keegan Murray as a freshman was a big mistake. And stating Brian was a qualified candidate is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on here.
 
I wonder if he'd think about going to play with Jack someplace. I wish Jack well, it seems the best choice for everyone. And I've said it before, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him coming back to play for his father at some point.

Well, where ever Jack goes, they have to have a spot and actually want Pmac. I kinda don't see him following younger bro either. I mean Pat has to be at least 7 years older? As for Jack, I'd put $$ down he will never play at Iowa. I'm not even sure Fran will be here more then a couple more years.

Not sure how they'd play together in college.

If PMac does play another year, he'd be done in March of 2025.

Jack graduates from high school in May of 2025.

Looks like there is a 6 year age gap, btw.

 
Iowa is no different than any other school. He is going to face negative comments no matter where he goes. Get a clue.

If Jack thinks everything is always going to be sunshine and roses somewhere else....he is in for a rude awakening. Best to take Outback Bowl's advice: stay off social media.

And no...I am not saying it's ok to berate players.
You have an uncanny ability to somehow always miss the point
 
I wonder if he'd think about going to play with Jack someplace. I wish Jack well, it seems the best choice for everyone. And I've said it before, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him coming back to play for his father at some point.
Can't happen unless he would somehow got a 7th year.
One way is come back next year. Get hurt. Ask for a medical hardship.
 
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I suppose if you are still on the fence about Fran's nepotism, you probably still believe Brian Ferentz didn't get speical treatment in his rise to OC at University of Iowa.


Not really debateable about the special treatment and nepotism if you aren't a family member or for some reason have special loyalty towards Fran's family. CMAC started ahead of NBA player Keegan Murray and PMAC started ahead of NBA player Kris Murray. Only those that live in a world of unmeasureable and unquantifiable attributes would say either of the McCaffery boys should have started and played more minutes over the Murray brothers.


The good thing about Jack going elsewhere is it will mean Fran is no longer tempted to live vicariously through the B-ball play of his boys. Whatever PT Jack earns at his destination will be largely earned on his own, though he has had benefits as a Div1 coaches son of being part of the "insider" network that other players don't have. There is no hate involved---only belief we should all compete based on merit, not DNA.
PMac came off the bench ahead of Keegan to start their careers as freshman. Credit to Fran for signing the Murray brothers and their great years as Hawkeyes under his tutelage. But to see Keegan come in after or at the same time as PMac made you wonder what was happening in practice.
Another of my favorites, I laughed my butt off when this happened live.
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And there you have it keyboard warriors. Your insatiable negativity does have an effect and can in fact hurt the team you supposedly support.

Iowa is missing out on a good player. Hope you all are proud of yourselves
Its twitter.

Nobody cares about the couple hundred boomers who still post on message boards.
 
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