Montana State Northern

[Kwoodhawk]

You act like someone owes you the rent money...This will be the second time the Hawks have went there and this is where Terry got his coaching start. I would have preferred a trip to Cali but only in wrestling will you get a legendary program show up to a small college in Montana.

It should be worn as a badge of honor to do this kind of thing..

and yet this thread devolves into a pissing match between flatlanders and mountain folk. Sheeeeesssh.

OBTW..............where are Carl and the Fun boys going to promote the sport this year?

 

[Golic55]

LOL! Thanks Terry. Thanks guys.
Every thread turns into a PSU thread!

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I remember in an interview from several years ago when Iowa went out West to, I think it was Utah, Brands talking about his reasons for doing it. As I said in a previous post, he wanted to give back to the sport, support the local team they were to wrestle and their local fans. I am sure he stated other reasons also...I just can't remember it all. Brands seems to be sincere about caring for the fans. He knows.....no fans no ticket sales. I think this is why they've gone out East also. Last year they went to Chattanooga. 2013-14 it was Buffalo.

I hope you aren't too upset that Brands really believes in doing this sort of thing. He obviously doesn't think it's a waste of time or money or he would stop doing it in an instant. He could make a phone call tonight and the meet wouldn't happen.

Think about it a moment. Montana State -Northern? REALLY?

I'm not sure I have ever heard of them. Can you think of any valid reason to wrestle them that makes any common sense? Recruiting? Cash flow? Lost a bet?

There's something more than what you have considered I'm guessing. Then, of course, you could be smarter than Brands. Not for me to judge.

It should be worn as a badge of honor to do this kind of thing..

and yet this thread devolves into a pissing match between flatlanders and mountain folk. Sheeeeesssh.

OBTW..............where are Carl and the Fun boys going to promote the sport this year?

California. You know, that big state with all of those people and high level recruits. Maybe we have locked Montana down as our new recruiting base to compete with PA and CA. I hope Brands captures Alaska next year.

 

[Novakht]

This dual is a waste of time and resources. We could at least dual Grandview. They are way better and we could pack a venue in Des Moines and actally see a great BG vs Long match. Take a vacation off season. I hope we aren't going to treat MSG as a vacation.

Maybe not the best dual for the fans, but Brands are big on doing whats right for wrestling and this helps. Dont assume that Iowa didnt ask Grandview first

 

[Vallholl]

It should be worn as a badge of honor to do this kind of thing..

and yet this thread devolves into a pissing match between flatlanders and mountain folk. Sheeeeesssh.

OBTW..............where are Carl and the Fun boys going to promote the sport this year?

That's strong work, Kwood. You must be training well.

The rumors of your demise are greatly exaggerated.

 

[McCulloughd]

Ski chair. Chair lift. Same thing.
Best way is to skin up the mountain.
You guys are too soft for Montana.
Too soft.

 

[sloehawk]

California. You know, that big state with all of those people and high level recruits. Maybe we have locked Montana down as our new recruiting base to compete with PA and CA. I hope Brands captures Alaska next year.

Maybe you could ask Dan Gable why Iowa wrestled at a High School in Northwest Iowa? I think his recruiting in Iowa was OK at the time........................took on mighty Buena Vista and South Dakota State. Why would he do that? I just know when I was there, I wasn't going to be the one to walk up and ask him why he made such a dumb decision when they could have been wrestling anywhere else on the planet..................

The fact of the matter is, Iowa can wrestle wherever it wants to wrestle, and for reasons that might only make sense to someone like Dan Gable or Tom Brands.

 

[The catman]

It's like 7 hours for me, but I think I'll make the trip. Won't get to see them again until Nats.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Maybe you could ask Dan Gable why Iowa wrestled at a High School in Northwest Iowa? I think his recruiting in Iowa was OK at the time........................took on mighty Buena Vista and South Dakota State. Why would he do that? I just know when I was there, I wasn't going to be the one to walk up and ask him why he made such a dumb decision when they could have been wrestling anywhere else on the planet..................

The fact of the matter is, Iowa can wrestle wherever it wants to wrestle, and for reasons that might only make sense to someone like Dan Gable or Tom Brands.

Did you really just compare nw Iowa to Montana? Get out a map and see if you notice anything different in the distance between Iowa City and each of these places. Brands is a great coach, but unquestionable devotion to each decision he makes is simply not well thought out. He has made some great moves and some not so great moves. I'm calling this one not so great. Dan Gable wasn't playing second fiddle to PSU, so he was not to be questioned imo.

 

[LaxHawk174]

There's a connection there with the coaching staff, if you listen to the Tom Brands interview on takedown wrestle he mentions that Terry used to coach over there and coached the guy who is the head coach now I believe.

Tom said that they have a few good matches for them and honestly the level doesn't matter to him, the opponent is going to send out a competitor with two arms, two legs, and a brain to try to beat you regardless of division.

How dare he try to grow wrestling in the area (regardless if its a 'recruiting hotbed' or not) when they have past connections with the coaching staff and area?! Blasphemous! I highly doubt this 'not so great move' plays a part in being second fiddle to PSU, but if you think that then feel free to disagree. A program like Iowa, PSU, tOSU, OSU doesn't need help advertising their program in recruiting hotbeds, they are the biggest names in college wrestling right now.

I think you're reading a little too far into this Mr. Whitters.

 

[DayHawk18]

Havre is flat land. Lived 100 miles from there, not much to do but fish, drink beer, and wait for meth labs to be busted. Not exactly an exciting or beautiful trip to be made.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I respect your opinion and appreciate the civil conversation. I do think live exposure is big. If we had been going to wrestle UPITT out there right next to the young guns I'm thinking many people (myself included) would have thought that brilliant. I think a dual at St. Paris Graham would be good. I'm not opposed to travel even if the competition isn't the greatest if Iowa wrestling can be on display. I wouldn't mind a dual in Montana if it was a team that could fight back. This offers neither exposure nor competition. If a tree falls in Montana does it make a noise? Nobody will ever know. I don't like that we had one tough dual to start the year followed by a string of cupcakes and then Nebraska followed by another string of cupcakes. I don't remember Gable doing this. The BIG wasn't a watery schedule back then, ISU was tough, and the Midlands offered a super tournament featuring many post grads.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Midlands would have been a lot tougher this year but due to weather conditions and whatever Illinois' reason was a lot of people backed out last minute. Iowa doesn't make the B1G schedule, just follows it. Perhaps this was planned months ago as a wind down dual for National Duals and Post season fast approaching after it, without knowing about the cupcake B1G schedule. Not much we can do about not wrestling Michigan, tOSU, and PSU, which are really the only tough teams we missed out on.

We had some good duals with Rutgers, Nebraska, Illinois, and Okie state. The hawks can't help it if their in-state rival ISU is lacking, its a yearly occurrence, same as Okie state dual.

The way you are posting makes it seem like Iowa chose to have a cupcake schedule this season, when in reality, I'm sure Brands would have loved to get a shot at Mich, tOSU, and PSU this season.

Although your point about live exposure is true for kids who don't have the means to travel and watch their favorite teams compete, I think we've seen this a few times this season, heard of some big time recruits flying or driving to Iowa city to watch duals or the Kinnick event, same for PSU, if they don't have a live event in the area, a lot of big time recruits will fly or drive to Happy Valley or the closest dual to watch them live.

 

[sloehawk]

Did you really just compare nw Iowa to Montana? Get out a map and see if you notice anything different in the distance between Iowa City and each of these places. Brands is a great coach, but unquestionable devotion to each decision he makes is simply not well thought out. He has made some great moves and some not so great moves. I'm calling this one not so great. Dan Gable wasn't playing second fiddle to PSU, so he was not to be questioned imo.

Yeah, that was my EXACT point, if you deliberately ignore the entire rest of the post.

Furthermore, I don't have undying devotion to Brands or any other Coach currently active on the planet. That said, he's also the guy that put together a dual with Penn State when they weren't on the schedule, and had something to do with the Grapple on the Gridiron. I'll give him a pass if he thinks wrestling in Montana is OK and the Iowa Administration didn't stand in his way on the matter. I'll live with it, largely because it ain't changing.

Your point was why is Iowa not out wrestling in far away recruiting hotbeds with these out of Conference duals. Northwest Iowa and Montana probably don't fit your criteria. Yet Dan Gable did it, more than once, I just gave you one example. There was no PSU at the time but there was Oklahoma State & Minnesota, and they weren't giving us any free passes either.

 

[DonHawkeye]

They should just schedule duals at every top 10 p4p kid's high school in the country.

 

[Vallholl]

I don't want thought makes me happier: 1) jammenz is stranded in marble rock or 2) every kid in harve mt who attends the dual meet will go to bed on Friday night dreaming that he will wrestle at Iowa someday.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I wish we went to Vegas where Gilman could have wrestled Dance and Nato. Clark could have wrestled Brewer and Nashon. Brandon could have wrestled Mayes. Brooks could have wrestled everyone that is someone at 184. Burak could have wrestled Cox. We would know what we really have instead of finding out at MSG. Gable did not do the same thing. He did not find a cupcake at the end after wrestling nobody all year. We had tough duals back then. Brands can't do anything about the BIG schedule, but he had to notice how weak it was way before I did. I would hope? This is the weakest schedule I have seen us wrestle in the 28 years I have been following closely. Do you remember any this weak?

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I don't want thought makes me happier: 1) jammenz is stranded in marble rock or 2) every kid in harve mt who attends the dual meet will go to bed on Friday night dreaming that he will wrestle at Iowa someday.

Exactly. Every kid in Harve, Mt. All 3 of them.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I respect your opinion and appreciate the civil conversation. I do think live exposure is big. If we had been going to wrestle UPITT out there right next to the young guns I'm thinking many people (myself included) would have thought that brilliant. I think a dual at St. Paris Graham would be good. I'm not opposed to travel even if the competition isn't the greatest if Iowa wrestling can be on display. I wouldn't mind a dual in Montana if it was a team that could fight back. This offers neither exposure nor competition. If a tree falls in Montana does it make a noise? Nobody will ever know. I don't like that we had one tough dual to start the year followed by a string of cupcakes and then Nebraska followed by another string of cupcakes. I don't remember Gable doing this. The BIG wasn't a watery schedule back then, ISU was tough, and the Midlands offered a super tournament featuring many post grads.

Several years ago they went East and wrestled Edinboro and also Lehigh. Too bad you weren't around to advise Brands on UPITT or St. Paris at the time.

I hope someone can pull that thorn from your paw so you can let go of your butthurt that you aren't in charge of scheduling and can't have your way about things.

Not sure I can think of anything more petty to whine about, and I do consider it whining, but I am sure someone will think of something pretty quick. ...........Flying tiger...............Jammenz................ Queso............... anyone???

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Several years ago they went East and wrestled Edinboro and also Lehigh. Too bad you weren't around to advise Brands on UPITT or St. Paris at the time.

I hope someone can pull that thorn from your paw so you can let go of your butthurt that you aren't in charge of scheduling and can't have your way about things.

Not sure I can think of anything more petty to whine about, and I do consider it whining, but I am sure someone will think of something pretty quick. ...........Flying tiger...............Jammenz................ Queso............... anyone???

Edinboro and Lehigh are in the best high school wrestling state in the country. This is about as comparable as the NW Iowa example. This is a poor job of scheduling. Sometimes you need to put the big boy pants on and call it like it is. Maybe this is how it is now. I'm not going to start liking it just because you do. This is a message board, and therefore, the perfect place to complain.

 

[SPOONER]

Edinboro and Lehigh are in the best high school wrestling state in the country. This is about as comparable as the NW Iowa example. This is a poor job of scheduling. Sometimes you need to put the big boy pants on and call it like it is. Maybe this is how it is now. I'm not going to start liking it just because you do. This is a message board, and therefore, the perfect place to complain.

Trying too hard.

 

[Mike_a_TetonValley]

Did you really just compare nw Iowa to Montana? Get out a map and see if you notice anything different in the distance between Iowa City and each of these places. Brands is a great coach, but unquestionable devotion to each decision he makes is simply not well thought out. He has made some great moves and some not so great moves. I'm calling this one not so great. Dan Gable wasn't playing second fiddle to PSU, so he was not to be questioned imo.

I love Montana ... fly fish there most of the summer, and I love Iowa, grew up there. But this thread has got way out of line. It's a wrestling dual, nothing more or nothing less. The Hawks doing the school in Montana a big favor as far as the sport goes in that part of the country. Go Hawks!!!

 

[Vallholl]

Exactly. Every kid in Harve, Mt. All 3 of them.

You think there will be that many?

 

[James P. Whitters III]

My rant is over. For those of you keeping score at home chalk me up as someone who believes Brands can recruit, coach,motivate,inspire....but not schedule.

 

[Vallholl]

My rant is over. For those of you keeping score at home chalk me up as someone who believes Brands can recruit, coach,motivate,inspire....but not schedule.

Yeah that whole thing at Kinnick really was blown way out of proportion

 

[PSU Mike]

I love Montana ... fly fish there most of the summer, and I love Iowa, grew up there. But this thread has got way out of line. It's a wrestling dual, nothing more or nothing less. The Hawks doing the school in Montana a big favor as far as the sport goes in that part of the country. Go Hawks!!!

I'll be out with a 4 weight, two 5's, and a 6. We pretty much invented fly fishing, you know.

 

[Mike_a_TetonValley]

I'll be out with a 4 weight, two 5's, and a 6. We pretty much invented fly fishing, you know.

Anytime you want to come out here and compete with me and a fly rod in Montana , the salt flats or any place on the planet idiot, lets bet some BIG MONEY FOOL!!!. You have no idea of who you are dealing with here in that sport. Pussy Cat. I tie flies tougher then you will ever be. PLEASE visit me punk. Go Hawks!!!

 

[hawkeyecrazy]

Let me see if I have this straight. Brands and Co get with Carl and schedule a meet when the BIG 10 powers don't have them on a schedule. There is the Grapple on The Gridiron where they invite the big orange Okie St. cupcake and the TERRY video claims that there is broken furniture and blood on the walls in the basement and the argument we are making is that Tom is afraid to schedule competition??? Color me confused.

 

[McCulloughd]

My rant is over. For those of you keeping score at home chalk me up as someone who believes Brands can recruit, coach,motivate,inspire....but not schedule.

I'll chalk you up as someone who doesn't have the balls to tell Brands he can't schedule.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

My rant is over. For those of you keeping score at home chalk me up as someone who believes Brands can recruit, coach,motivate,inspire....but not schedule.

I appreciate your thoughts on the subject. You make some good points, however you really should have been posting about this sort of thing several years ago when Iowa didn't go to Midlands. That meant something. Montana State not so much. Most of us have moved on from this.

Not that I like or dislike going to Mt. St, I just accept it and understand that there is more in the decision making process than we will ever know about. Not worth getting worked up about. Save your energy and help us argue something that needs your energy and attention.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/020916aab.html

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I'll chalk you up as someone who doesn't have the balls to tell Brands he can't schedule.

You couldn't be more wrong about that. You can chalk Brands up as someone who won't have the conversation though.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

You couldn't be more wrong about that. You can chalk Brands up as someone who won't have the conversation though.

You do realize other people can read what you are posting here............

This isn't your private diary.

You're starting to come across as a bit off kilter

Ok........maybe way off kilter.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Let me see if I have this straight. Brands and Co get with Carl and schedule a meet when the BIG 10 powers don't have them on a schedule. There is the Grapple on The Gridiron where they invite the big orange Okie St. cupcake and the TERRY video claims that there is broken furniture and blood on the walls in the basement and the argument we are making is that Tom is afraid to schedule competition??? Color me confused.

So one tough dual meet opponent pretty much constitutes a solid schedule? This is a joke I hope.

 

[McCulloughd]

You couldn't be more wrong about that. You can chalk Brands up as someone who won't have the conversation though.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

You do realize other people can read what you are posting here............

This isn't your private diary.

You're starting to come across as a bit off kilter

Ok........maybe way off kilter.

Off kilter? A long time season ticket holder has no right to complain about the schedule or he is off kilter? Well I guess I'm off Kilter. Where do I go to pick up my free stuff?

 

[HawkTalk3]

Iowa wanted a west coast trip. They called some Division I schools on the west coast, none of them made it work. Cal-Poly really wanted to make the dual work, but in the end they just couldn't fit Iowa for one reason or another.

They called Montana State and they immediately said yes.

 

[Krupnyakov]

You think there will be that many?

You obviously don't know much about Havres wrestling program.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Iowa wanted a west coast trip. They called some Division I schools on the west coast, none of them made it work. Cal-Poly really wanted to make the dual work, but in the end they just couldn't fit Iowa for one reason or another.

They called Montana State and they immediately said yes.

That is good information. Thank you. So it wan't a case of some grand plan for world domination, but rather settling for something when something better couldn't be worked out. That makes sense far more than any other excuse put forward.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

That is good information. Thank you. So it wan't a case of some grand plan for world domination, but rather settling for something when something better couldn't be worked out. That makes sense far more than any other excuse put forward.

Too bad nobody thought to try and tell you that there might be more to the situation than anyone was aware of.....several times anyway.

But don't let anything anyone has said stop you from your rant. After all, you're a season ticket holder.........so you're ENTITLED. And Brands doesn't know what he's doing. Sheeeessssh.

OBTW..........don't worry about where to go to pick up your free stuff. The men in the White Coats will be bringing your free meds anytime now.