Nick Suriano

[Chickenman Testa]

As an aside, Rutgers fans may love an overly-generous waiver from the Big in this case, but be careful what you wish for. Imagine the knashing of teeth from the conference smaller fry if the big boys start the same trend.

Jered Cortez had to lose a year of eligibility to transfer in-conference. What makes NS different? If the rule sucks, change the rule, but there will be consequences that Rutgers, etc may not like.

 

[Jaybird319]

Honest question. How good is Cortez? Can you expect AA or a qualifier?

 

[butchinmi]

He is not on the PSU Roster:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...n-removed-from-penn-state-roster#.WYns1VF97IU

 

[Knight563]

Is he on the Iowa roster?

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

He is not on the PSU Roster:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...n-removed-from-penn-state-roster#.WYns1VF97IU

Then he was, then he wasn't. Whoever is in charge of updating that roster is doing a masterful job of trolling.

 

[LutherAce]

Then he was, then he wasn't. Whoever is in charge of updating that roster is doing a masterful job of trolling.

it's a process...a lot of ebb and flow with internet connections and spell checkers, etc

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Honest question. How good is Cortez? Can you expect AA or a qualifier?

He was hot and cold last year with the general hope that a few of his "cold" performances were attributable to the injury that shelved him. Definite qualifier I'd think, but anything beyond that is anyone's guess. He looked real slick on top.

 

[rossel 33]

It is a bit of a conundrum....

All the discussions this summer sound like RU and NS had discussed finances before the release was granted. This would be a violation of the rules and Sanderson would rightfully want to discourage it from happening again.

Good point. Everyone knows Cael is a stickler for making sure financial arrangements are transparent and by the book.

 

[The Vak]

As an aside, Rutgers fans may love an overly-generous waiver from the Big in this case, but be careful what you wish for. Imagine the knashing of teeth from the conference smaller fry if the big boys start the same trend.

Jered Cortez had to lose a year of eligibility to transfer in-conference. What makes NS different? If the rule sucks, change the rule, but there will be consequences that Rutgers, etc may not like.

Nick Suriano has a redshirt. That's a pretty big difference.

But that's besides the point. Cortez should have been allowed to transfer as well.

 

[Outlawhawkeye]

Wrong.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...13-14/misc_non_event/4_2_4_Transfer_Guide.pdf

Damn that article is a shot to the pills for Carl!

 

[1stplacehawk]

Honest question. How good is Cortez? Can you expect AA or a qualifier?

I'm expecting him to be a borderline AA. He'll be a tough out, but I don't see him competing for a title.

 

[joeyk51]

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...statement-regarding-nick-suriano#.WYoU0FF95aQ

 

[Neo_Hawk]

As PSU has issued a statement on this now, that Nick has requested to transfer, this thread might finally come to an end. Sounds like Carl is being more that fair, in my opinion.

Bottom line is that as much as I dislike some of the PSU troll over here, I wanted Nick at Iowa, you probably wanted Nick at Iowa and PSU fans wanted him at PSU. I don't think it mattered where he went, he was going to want to go home, so I'm glad this didn't happen to us but will not talk S%*t to penn state fans about it because it very easily could have been us in this situation. Tough deal all the way around. I wish him luck, kid's got a bright future no mater where he goes.

 

[MVPFAN]

Their statement does not really address some supposed sticking points on this.

 

[IAChief32]

Their statement does not really address some supposed sticking points on this.

Does PSU need only rubber stamp their approval to the B1G for Suriano to get a waiver of the one year loss of eligibility rule? If so, then all the criticism of Cael and PSU going around is warranted. If not, then the New Jersey media need to learn the rule and stop busting PSU's balls...like in this one...man, they really hammer Cael in it:

https://articles.nj.com/rutgersfoot...e_nick_suriano_cael_sanderson_column_poli.amp

 

[Creek Side]

Does PSU need only rubber stamp their approval to the B1G for Suriano to get a waiver of the one year loss of eligibility rule? If so, then all the criticism of Cael and PSU going around is warranted. If not, then the New Jersey media need to learn the rule and stop busting PSU's balls...like in this one...man, they really hammer Cael in it:

https://articles.nj.com/rutgersfoot...e_nick_suriano_cael_sanderson_column_poli.amp

Imo, Nick and Rutgers got all they're getting and should be happy they got it. No need for Cael or PSU to do or say anything else

 

[pablow]

Does PSU need only rubber stamp their approval to the B1G for Suriano to get a waiver of the one year loss of eligibility rule? If so, then all the criticism of Cael and PSU going around is warranted. If not, then the New Jersey media need to learn the rule and stop busting PSU's balls...like in this one...man, they really hammer Cael in it:

https://articles.nj.com/rutgersfoot...e_nick_suriano_cael_sanderson_column_poli.amp

Here's the Rule [and the answer]

[Big Ten] Intraconference Transfer Rules.

1. Pre-Matriculation. A prospective student-athlete who has signed a tender from a Conference institution and has not yet triggered transfer status per NCAA Bylaw 14.5.2 (conditions affecting transfer status), is subject to the following intraconference transfer requirements:

a. Signed National Letter of Intent. A prospective student-athlete who signs a valid National Letter of Intent (NLI) with a Conference institution but subsequently enrolls at an alternate Big Ten institution shall be required to complete one (1) full year of residence at the alternate (i.e., certifying) Big Ten institution and shall be charged with the loss of one (1) season of eligibility in all sports. These penalties shall be applied regardless of any decision made by the NLI Steering Committee on behalf of the prospective student-athlete.

1. Exception – Complete Release by Signing Institution. If the Big Ten institution at which the prospective student-athlete originally signed the NLI grants a “Complete Release” from the NLI, the prospect shall be permitted to enroll at any other Conference institution without penalty . . .​

 

[El-Jefe]

Here's the Rule [and the answer]

[Big Ten] Intraconference Transfer Rules.

1. Pre-Matriculation. A prospective student-athlete who has signed a tender from a Conference institution and has not yet triggered transfer status per NCAA Bylaw 14.5.2 (conditions affecting transfer status), is subject to the following intraconference transfer requirements:

a. Signed National Letter of Intent. A prospective student-athlete who signs a valid National Letter of Intent (NLI) with a Conference institution but subsequently enrolls at an alternate Big Ten institution shall be required to complete one (1) full year of residence at the alternate (i.e., certifying) Big Ten institution and shall be charged with the loss of one (1) season of eligibility in all sports. These penalties shall be applied regardless of any decision made by the NLI Steering Committee on behalf of the prospective student-athlete.

1. Exception – Complete Release by Signing Institution. If the Big Ten institution at which the prospective student-athlete originally signed the NLI grants a “Complete Release” from the NLI, the prospect shall be permitted to enroll at any other Conference institution without penalty . . .​

Might want to check the header there ... Suriano no longer fits the PRE-matriculation category.

Go down to the matriculated section, and the only listed exception is when a sport gets dropped.

 

[pablow]

Here's the one-time transfer exception - and I give up. The previous rule applies to David Taylor ISU to PSU (pre-matriculation)
Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10
14.5.5.2.10 One-Time Transfer Exception. The student transfers to the certifying institution from another four-year collegiate institution, and all of the following conditions are met (for graduate students, see Bylaw 14.6.1): (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 1/10/95, 1/9/96, 1/11/97, 11/1/00 effective 8/1/01, 4/26/01, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, 4/27/06 effective 10/15/06, 12/15/06, 4/27/07 effective 8/1/08, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10, 4/22/11)

(a) The student is a participant in a sport other than baseball, basketball, bowl subdivision football or men's ice hockey at the institution to which the student is transferring. A participant in championship subdivision football at the institution to which the student is transferring may use this exception only if the participant transferred to the certifying institution from an institution that sponsors bowl subdivision football and has two or more seasons of competition remaining in football or the participant transfers from a Football Championship Subdivision institution that offers athletically related financial aid in football to a Football Championship Subdivision institution that does not offer athletically related financial aid in football;

(b) The student has not transferred previously from one four-year institution unless, in the previous transfer, the student-athlete received an exception per Bylaw 14.5.5.2.6 (discontinued/nonsponsored sport exception);

(c) At the time of transfer to the certifying institution (see Bylaw 14.5.2), the student would have been academically eligible had he or she remained at the institution from which the student transferred, except that he or she is not required to have fulfilled the necessary percentage-of-degree requirements at the previous institution; and

(d) If the student is transferring from an NCAA or NAIA member institution, the student's previous institution shall certify in writing that it has no objection to the student being granted an exception to the transfer-residence requirement. If an institution receives a written request for a release from a student-athlete, the institution shall grant or deny the request within seven business days. If the institution fails to respond to the student-athlete's written request within seven business days, the release shall be granted by default and the institution shall provide a written release to the student-athlete.

 

[snotknockerhawk]

Here's the Rule [and the answer]

[Big Ten] Intraconference Transfer Rules.

1. Pre-Matriculation. A prospective student-athlete who has signed a tender from a Conference institution and has not yet triggered transfer status per NCAA Bylaw 14.5.2 (conditions affecting transfer status), is subject to the following intraconference transfer requirements:

a. Signed National Letter of Intent. A prospective student-athlete who signs a valid National Letter of Intent (NLI) with a Conference institution but subsequently enrolls at an alternate Big Ten institution shall be required to complete one (1) full year of residence at the alternate (i.e., certifying) Big Ten institution and shall be charged with the loss of one (1) season of eligibility in all sports. These penalties shall be applied regardless of any decision made by the NLI Steering Committee on behalf of the prospective student-athlete.

1. Exception – Complete Release by Signing Institution. If the Big Ten institution at which the prospective student-athlete originally signed the NLI grants a “Complete Release” from the NLI, the prospect shall be permitted to enroll at any other Conference institution without penalty . . .​

The real question is how you read this rule. Any other Conference institution without penalty within the Big Ten or out of the Big Ten? You can read it both ways.

 

[pablow]

Might want to check the header there ... Suriano no longer fits the PRE-matriculation category.

Go down to the matriculated section, and the only listed exception is when a sport gets dropped.

Yeah - I noticed.

 

[El-Jefe]

Then he was, then he wasn't. Whoever is in charge of updating that roster is doing a masterful job of trolling.

PSU doesn't prioritize the online roster. Look deeper and Cenzo is listed at 149.

Most likely an Athletics summer intern who's not part of the wrestling staff took Suriano off the roster for the wrong year, then went back to correct the mistake.

 

[MVPFAN]

Does PSU need only rubber stamp their approval to the B1G for Suriano to get a waiver of the one year loss of eligibility rule? If so, then all the criticism of Cael and PSU going around is warranted. If not, then the New Jersey media need to learn the rule and stop busting PSU's balls...like in this one...man, they really hammer Cael in it:

https://articles.nj.com/rutgersfoot...e_nick_suriano_cael_sanderson_column_poli.amp

From what I have read PSU can supposedly support the waiver and he would not lose a year or oppose it. I'm not sure what their stance is on that.

 

[manatree]

Here's the Rule [and the answer]

[Big Ten] Intraconference Transfer Rules.

1. Pre-Matriculation. A prospective student-athlete who has signed a tender from a Conference institution and has not yet triggered transfer status per NCAA Bylaw 14.5.2 (conditions affecting transfer status), is subject to the following intraconference transfer requirements:

a. Signed National Letter of Intent. A prospective student-athlete who signs a valid National Letter of Intent (NLI) with a Conference institution but subsequently enrolls at an alternate Big Ten institution shall be required to complete one (1) full year of residence at the alternate (i.e., certifying) Big Ten institution and shall be charged with the loss of one (1) season of eligibility in all sports. These penalties shall be applied regardless of any decision made by the NLI Steering Committee on behalf of the prospective student-athlete.

1. Exception – Complete Release by Signing Institution. If the Big Ten institution at which the prospective student-athlete originally signed the NLI grants a “Complete Release” from the NLI, the prospect shall be permitted to enroll at any other Conference institution without penalty . . .​

That is the part that applies to Pre-Matriculation. The Post-Matriculation rules are what applies here. The two exceptions for the Post-matriculation rules do not apply in this case.

2. Post Matriculation. A student-athlete that has signed a tender from a Conference institution and has triggered transfer status per NCAA Bylaw 14.5.2 (conditions affecting transfer status), may not represent an alternate BigTen institution in intercollegiate athletics competition until the individual has completed one (1) full academic year of residence at the alternate (i.e., certifying) Big Ten institution and shall be charged with the loss of one (1)season of eligibility in all sports.


3. Pre- and Post-Matriculation Exceptionsa.

a. Cancellation of Tender Due to Inadmissibility. When a prospective student-athlete is inadmissible to the institution for which a tender has been accepted, the tender shall be considered null and void and the intraconference transfer penalty does not apply.

b. Dropped Sport. When a Conference institution drops the student-athlete's sport in which the student-athlete has participated, the intraconference penalty does not apply

 

[El-Jefe]

Here's the one-time transfer exception - and I give up. The previous rule applies to David Taylor ISU to PSU (pre-matriculation)
Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10
14.5.5.2.10 One-Time Transfer Exception. The student transfers to the certifying institution from another four-year collegiate institution, and all of the following conditions are met (for graduate students, see Bylaw 14.6.1): (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 1/10/95, 1/9/96, 1/11/97, 11/1/00 effective 8/1/01, 4/26/01, 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, 4/27/06 effective 10/15/06, 12/15/06, 4/27/07 effective 8/1/08, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10, 4/22/11)

(a) The student is a participant in a sport other than baseball, basketball, bowl subdivision football or men's ice hockey at the institution to which the student is transferring. A participant in championship subdivision football at the institution to which the student is transferring may use this exception only if the participant transferred to the certifying institution from an institution that sponsors bowl subdivision football and has two or more seasons of competition remaining in football or the participant transfers from a Football Championship Subdivision institution that offers athletically related financial aid in football to a Football Championship Subdivision institution that does not offer athletically related financial aid in football;

(b) The student has not transferred previously from one four-year institution unless, in the previous transfer, the student-athlete received an exception per Bylaw 14.5.5.2.6 (discontinued/nonsponsored sport exception);

(c) At the time of transfer to the certifying institution (see Bylaw 14.5.2), the student would have been academically eligible had he or she remained at the institution from which the student transferred, except that he or she is not required to have fulfilled the necessary percentage-of-degree requirements at the previous institution; and

(d) If the student is transferring from an NCAA or NAIA member institution, the student's previous institution shall certify in writing that it has no objection to the student being granted an exception to the transfer-residence requirement. If an institution receives a written request for a release from a student-athlete, the institution shall grant or deny the request within seven business days. If the institution fails to respond to the student-athlete's written request within seven business days, the release shall be granted by default and the institution shall provide a written release to the student-athlete.

This is the NCAA rule. PSU already granted the release, so this is no longer relevant.

 

[Vallholl]

Flo has a couple of links:

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...n-removed-from-penn-state-roster#.WYomMhPyuu4

http://www.flowrestling.org/article...statement-regarding-nick-suriano#.WYom-BPyuu5

 

[MSU158]

Yeah, that statement didn't specifically answer anything we didn't already know. In fact, it is hard to read it as saying anything other than we are allowing him to go to Rutgers as long as he is losing a year of eligibility as mandated by B1G policy..........

 

[Nitt Fan]

I think it's time for you guys to quit worrying about Suriano and get ready to welcome the PD2 circus to your board.

 

[Spicolli]

I think it's time for you guys to quit worrying about Suriano and get ready to welcome the PD2 circus to your board.

PSU fan with 4 posts in 2 years worried about what's on Hawkeye Report... hahahaha...little brother syndrome

 

[CowboyUp61]

PSU fan with 4 posts in 2 years worried about what's on Hawkeye Report... hahahaha...little brother syndrome

So what you are saying is that he is one of the better PSU posters (except for a couple) that have dropped by?

 

[Creek Side]

Yeah, that statement didn't specifically answer anything we didn't already know. In fact, it is hard to read it as saying anything other than we are allowing him to go to Rutgers as long as he is losing a year of eligibility as mandated by B1G policy..........

And that's all that needs to be said. Why expect anything else? He got his release. He and Rutgers shouldn't expect anything else from PSU. They can take it up with the BIG10. See ya Nick, don't let the door hit ya where the Lord split ya.

 

[Nitt Fan]

PSU fan with 4 posts in 2 years worried about what's on Hawkeye Report... hahahaha...little brother syndrome

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.

 

[CowboyUp61]

And that's all that needs to be said. Why expect anything else? He got his release. He and Rutgers shouldn't expect anything else from PSU. They can take it up with the BIG10. See ya Nick.

That's all? 39 pages of BWI, plus 13 here, 6 on Rutgers, and that was all? C'mon, man-there has been tons of useful info on both threads, and you say that is all. Disappointed for sure. Y'all a bunch of longwinded suckers if that was all than needed saying.

 

[Nitt Fan]

So what you are saying is that he is one of the better PSU posters (except for a couple) that have dropped by?

By the way Cowboy I have Ponca City roots and know my way around a BBQ pit.

 

[Knight563]

 

[CowboyUp61]

By the way Cowboy I have Ponca City roots and know my way around a BBQ pit.

Blue Moon boy? Or Head Country?

 

[el dub]

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True dat. One will while the other rides the pine.....

 

[Cali_Nittany]

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And this was retweeted by RBY.

 

[Creek Side]

That's all? 39 pages of BWI, plus 13 here, 6 on Rutgers, and that was all? C'mon, man-there has been tons of useful info on both threads, and you say that is all. Disappointed for sure. Y'all a bunch of longwinded suckers if that was all than needed saying.

No no no, we all had a lot to say about it. That's all PSU and Cael need to say.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

If PSU has the power to keep him from losing a year (if what some are saying is correct) why not just do it? What's really the problem? If someone isn't happy with where they're at just let them leave, no need for the pettiness.