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I'm kinda curious how wrestling fans in Iowa and any other state for that matter feels about our Pennsylvania boys being the most sought after recruits in the nation. I mean, we didn't even know wrestling existed before Cael came to the keystone state so it must make you feel shitty that our kids are already better wrestlers than yours. Must make you feel even worse that its gonna take Pennsylvania boys (Spencer, Kem, Murin and Young) to try and save Hawkeyes wrestling from going another 8 years without a title.
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Better 16 years than 58, I suppose.
 
Costello is likely coming to Iowa as a walk-on without money....with Still and Cass on the roster Brands would look foolish not advocating for t


Actually, the fact that your high school wrestling has been the best in the country for a long long time is actually an indictment of PSU and their ignorance and a compliment to Gable, Zalesky and the others who have kept Iowa at the top despite not having the hometown talent.

We are using Pennsylvania talent that was boo'd by Pennsylvania - funny how that works! But before Pennsylvania Iowa was good about supplementing its roster with blue chippers....let's just start with McIlravy, Joe Williams, Strittmatter, Mena, Gilliss, Mocco, Perry, etc....

So, don't pat yourself on the back too much....remember, you haven't heard of wrestling until Cael walked on campus (your words, not mine).

By the way, how do you boys feel about Mark Hall (MN), Bo Nikal (TX), Suriano (NJ), Nevills (CA), Wittlake (OR), RBY (AZ), Cortez (IL), McIntosh (CA), Molinaro (NJ) and all the others helping the state university that's home to the best wrestling in the country.

Remember, our coach is from IOWA, your coach is from UTAH!
 
if you google "bail," you get a rough description of what Cael did to ISU:

<< 2. abandon a commitment, obligation, or responsibility.>>
 
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its real. My nephew a few months back moved to Montana. He is a die hard PSU fan and recent grad, who is flying home for the sPitt game. Anyway, he stopped wearing his psu gear in MONTANA of all places because he got tired of the eye ball rolling. No comments, but the eye balls weighed heavy he says. Guys he works with busted his balls early on about it too. Which is kind of like here in the HR, its the end of the discussion not the beginning. is what it is.

PSU f-d up, people are in jail. Curly and Shultz just stared work release this week. Sanduskys kid is in jail awaiting trial for kiddy porn. Its a mess. My only regret and maybe its a fear is that I think sandusky is not alone in his issues and right now there are people running around PA that should be behind bars. but no body wants to or can open that box. I could be all wet on that thought, but I dont think I am.

there is strange sh!t going on everywhere.............unfortunately.

Well said. I don't expect it will be very popular with the Penn State crowd, but good post nonetheless.
 
Well said. I don't expect it will be very popular with the Penn State crowd, but good post nonetheless.


It's fair, but I can't relate. I was Never raised to care what others think, especially if I did nothing wrong. I actually made it a point to wear my Psu gear more post scandal here in PA. Maybe that's the difference, all I got was more We Ares than before . A few guys wanted to talk scandal with me and we disagreed a few times but that's about it. Each persons experience is different, I'll respect that
 
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It's fair, but I can't relate. I was Never raised to care what others think, especially if I did nothing wrong. I actually made it a point to wear my Psu gear more post scandal here in PA. Maybe that's the difference, all I got was more We Ares than before . A few guys wanted to talk scandal with me and we disagreed a few times but that's about it. Each persons experience is different, I'll respect that

That's the difference. You live in PA where about 1/3 of the adult population has a connection to Penn State.
 
That's the difference. You live in PA where about 1/3 of the adult population has a connection to Penn State.

Very true, probably best I stay here then as I'm not one to put away my gear or turn from confrontation which isn't a great quality I'll admit at times. I just can't imagine confronting a dude for wearing PSU garb or labeling an entire University as he obviously had Nothing to do with sexual misconduct.
 
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Very true, probably best I stay here then as I'm not one to put away my gear or turn from confrontation which isn't a great quality I'll admit at times. I just can't imagine confronting a dude for wearing PSU garb or labeling an entire University as he obviously had Nothing to do with sexual misconduct.

I agree with you but that's the reality outside of PA.
 
The reality is a lot of Penn State fans have no idea about the perception of Penn State outside of their own personal bubbles, mostly contained to Pennsylvania. The perception of Penn State around the rest of the country is that they made the choice to protect and allow a pedophile to go unpunished and continue his life unrestricted, rather than risk hurting the program and legacy of a coach. They were willing to look the other way, because they didn't want to have the program look bad in any way. Is that totally accurate or a fair assessment? Maybe not, but it is a reality.

Another reality, if you bring this topic up on BWI, you will be banned. No questions asked. They will come to everyone else's board and say anything they want, but they will not tolerate anything on their board that is not in lock step with "the company line," so to speak. Which,by the way, is a big reason why so many Penn State fans still have no idea about the perception of Penn State outside of their own echo chambers/bubbles. BWI is just a constant repeating of the same 5 topics and identical opinions. Any different opinions are shut down and then blocked. That is why they have to go...ruin.... I mean... discuss.... topics on everyone else's boards, because they are not allowed to have different opinions on their own message board. Anything other than Cael is the greatest, PSU is the greatest, and PA is the greatest is not to be tolerated.
 
That's the difference. You live in PA where about 1/3 of the adult population has a connection to Penn State.
I did the same though in SC, and after a few months, no one even mentioned it again. Maybe it has to do with the progressiveness/conservativeness of the area you live in.
 
The reality is a lot of Penn State fans have no idea about the perception of Penn State outside of their own personal bubbles, mostly contained to Pennsylvania. The perception of Penn State around the rest of the country is that they made the choice to protect and allow a pedophile to go unpunished and continue his life unrestricted, rather than risk hurting the program and legacy of a coach. They were willing to look the other way, because they didn't want to have the program look bad in any way. Is that totally accurate or a fair assessment? Maybe not, but it is a reality.
I don't believe that is true in any way, and is more a description of your feelings than reality. Well over 90% of those commenting on my PSU gear commiserated with me about the NCAA overstepping their bounds. Everyone including me condemns what happened and that those responsible should be punished, but a miniscule amount of people blame the athletes, students, fans, and school (in general) for what happened. Much of drama after the fact was a political power play within PA and at the NCAA. Frankly, little of what was done had anything to do with helping children escape abuse. It was simply a power struggle by the governor, the PSU Board, and Mark Emmert.
 
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I thought California leaned heavily to the left, or is SD a little different than most of the state?

As a whole it does but it's a big state. San Diego has traditionally been a Republican stronghold because of the large military presence. The city actually has a Republican mayor. The Central Valley is different too (I refer to it as the Oklahoma of California). It's the San Francisco/Bay Area and city of Los Angeles that really gives California the leftward tilt.
 
The scandal was certainly a dark period for Penn State but it doesn't define the school anymore then Watergate defines ours government or Tailhook defines the Navy and Marines. Any institution around long enough will eventually have a period of time where it's leaders fail it. The key point is that those people were not the institution itself, they were only representatives that failed in their fiduciary duties.

Reaction to the scandal is just one of many of life's real life I.Q. tests. The dumber of our society are the ones that feel the scandal defines the university and it's many alumni. They just can't comprehend the fact Penn State was established over 150 years ago and has been/will continue to be known as a leader in Research & Development, Business and Academics or that Penn State has the largest alumni base in the world and could produce a list of notable members that would dwarf the vast majority of other schools.

I know this is contrary to the narrative some of you want to promote, but I think people that read these boards realize the ones that play the Sandusky card are the lower rung of posters around here that have a history of resorting to name calling and other juvenile methods to get their point across. Worse they trivialize the awful events underlying the scandal by using it as fan fodder in a psychological attempt to deal with current state of affairs in college wrestling.
 
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As a whole it does but it's a big state. San Diego has traditionally been a Republican stronghold because of the large military presence. The city actually has a Republican mayor. The Central Valley is different too (I refer to it as the Oklahoma of California). It's the San Francisco/Bay Area and city of Los Angeles that really gives California the leftward tilt.

Basically the O.C. and below is somewhat balanced politically
 
As stupid as it sounds, Mike's words have merit. It's funny that you bring up McVeigh because in debates about Islamic extremism, he is always brought up as an example of Christian extremism. Never mind that his motivations were almost purely anti-governmental...doesn't matter. Had a buddy down in Az from P.A....big PSU/Paterno fan who stopped wearing gear because of the comments....not because he was ashamed of PSU but because it just wasn't worth it.
Could have sworn this thread was about Suriano?
 
I thought California leaned heavily to the left, or is SD a little different than most of the state?

As a whole it does but it's a big state. San Diego has traditionally been a Republican stronghold because of the large military presence. The city actually has a Republican mayor. The Central Valley is different too (I refer to it as the Oklahoma of California). It's the San Francisco/Bay Area and city of Los Angeles that really gives California the leftward tilt.

So I'll go everywhere but San Diego. .. o wait I live in Iowa. Nevermind:)
 
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I think he's gone too, but he's on shutup mode until Cael gets his contract.

BTW - I don't think PSU can possible pay Cael and company what they think they're worth.

Penn State has a billionaire donor, Terrence Pegula. He funded the move to give Penn State a D1 hockey team. Paid for a new arena for them to play. I am guessing he is the money behind the wrestling team too. Money is not an issue. Whenever they need more they can just run to him.
 
So I'll go everywhere but San Diego. .. o wait I live in Iowa. Nevermind:)

It is a great place to visit. Especially during an Iowa January...

I think he's gone too, but he's on shutup mode until Cael gets his contract.

BTW - I don't think PSU can possible pay Cael and company what they think they're worth.

How can you possibly underestimate the slush fund? ;)


Back to the actual thread topic. This is still based on conjecture but if it's true that Cael is denying a release perhaps he actually has a reason beyond being a big meanie. Maybe he thinks that there has been tampering by Rutgers. Anyway, if that conjecture based on another conjecture based on no actual solid information is true, I would grant him a release to anywhere except Rutgers. (It's still hard to believe that Suriano would risk a year of eligibility to the whims of Delany.)
 
Penn State has a billionaire donor, Terrence Pegula. He funded the move to give Penn State a D1 hockey team. Paid for a new arena for them to play. I am guessing he is the money behind the wrestling team too. Money is not an issue. Whenever they need more they can just run to him.
Nope. Ira Lubert.
 
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