There should at least be some doubt since nobody really knows anything beyond the arrest.
No bueno
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There should at least be some doubt since nobody really knows anything beyond the arrest.
I’m sorry..... Are you saying that nearly 83% of assaults involving at least two wrestlers inevitably includes some form of butt play?
Carl is probably gassing up the Lear jet with a suitcase full of bail money and a link to the transfer portal right now....
Okay, some doubt. If an object was actually involved though that sounds like hazing to me. Or Led Zeppelin.
wrong, a person can be held and questioned if there is probable cause for 48 hours. Will find out if he gets charged in the next 24.
That would be detainment not arrest.
1 false accusation for anybody for any crime is one too many. I don't care what statistics say.
I don't disagree. I'm just saying there isn't anything terribly unique about rape/sexual assault statistics as far as false accusations.
I'd say that one rape or sexual assault is one too many, yet every woman I know under the age of 50 (and many I know over 50) has at least one story.
Wow. What's a good way to know who to hang out with? Can you tell me which friends of yours have groped a woman in a bar or had sexual relations of any sort with someone without expressed consent?
Sometimes we don't get to choose who we sit by at sporting events. Or who else is at a bar. Or who we walk past as we walk down the street or who we jog past or who we encounter at the gym. Why would the successful attorney from a good Christian family be a threat? Why would anyone think her best friend of almost 10 years would possibly rape and impregnate her?
Women and men are sexually assaulted at a far higher rate than there are false accusations. Obviously you don't care about that.
Some have just been forcefully groped. Some raped. If our stories bother you, that's on you.
Your first comment was pure assery. And hyperbolic, btw.
It does sound like a possible hazing incident BUT we won't know for sure until charges are filed (if they are).
Just trying to connect the dots & create the timeline. Here is what has been reported and documented:
* Gable Steveson of Apple Valley, MN, one of the nation's top heavyweight wrestlers, was arrested Saturday, June 15, along with a second Gophers wrestler, Dylan Martinez. Martinez (149 pounder) joined the Gopher wrestling program for the 2019 Spring semester and the remainder of his two years of eligibility. Martinez will redshirt the rest of the 2018-19 season. Martinez wrestled at Fresno City College out of high school and was a two-time state champion in the California Community College (CACC).
* 14th Ave SE, Minneapolis MN--a house where Martinez lives with OTHER Gopher wrestlers.
* Fri June 14, around 8:40 pm--The 911 call brought officers to Martinez' home.
* Someone (man or woman) who was at Martinez' home (another wrestler who lives there? a guest?) then filed the complaint. If you look at the police incident report (go to the 1:23 mark of video linked below for more):
Offense: Sexual assault
Description: CSC (Criminal Sexual Conduct) -- Penetrate with object
* Sat June 15--the 2 wrestlers, Steveson & Martinez, were arrested.
* Nights of Sat June 15 & Sun Jun 16--the 2 wrestlers, Steveson & Martinez, have been in jail.
Neither wrestler has been charged with a crime as of Sunday evening, June 16.
Both wrestlers have been suspended by the University of Minnesota.
The Minneapolis Star Tribune reminded me of this: The incident is the second cloud in three years to descend on the Gopher wrestling program. Veteran coach J Robinson was fired in September 2016 after the Athletic Department began investigating his handling of an alleged drug ring among wrestlers involving the anti-anxiety medication Xanax. Four wrestlers were later suspended.
Link: https://kstp.com/news/gable-steveso...-u-of-m-wrestlers-june-16-2019/5391580/?cat=1
Just trying to connect the dots & create the timeline. Here is what has been reported and documented:
* Gable Steveson of Apple Valley, MN, one of the nation's top heavyweight wrestlers, was arrested Saturday, June 15, along with a second Gophers wrestler, Dylan Martinez. Martinez (149 pounder) joined the Gopher wrestling program for the 2019 Spring semester and the remainder of his two years of eligibility. Martinez will redshirt the rest of the 2018-19 season. Martinez wrestled at Fresno City College out of high school and was a two-time state champion in the California Community College (CACC).
* 14th Ave SE, Minneapolis MN--a house where Martinez lives with OTHER Gopher wrestlers.
* Fri June 14, around 8:40 pm--The 911 call brought officers to Martinez' home.
* Someone (man or woman) who was at Martinez' home (another wrestler who lives there? a guest?) then filed the complaint. If you look at the police incident report (go to the 1:23 mark of video linked below for more):
Offense: Sexual assault
Description: CSC (Criminal Sexual Conduct) -- Penetrate with object
* Sat June 15--the 2 wrestlers, Steveson & Martinez, were arrested.
* Nights of Sat June 15 & Sun Jun 16--the 2 wrestlers, Steveson & Martinez, have been in jail.
Neither wrestler has been charged with a crime as of Sunday evening, June 16.
Both wrestlers have been suspended by the University of Minnesota.
The Minneapolis Star Tribune reminded me of this: The incident is the second cloud in three years to descend on the Gopher wrestling program. Veteran coach J Robinson was fired in September 2016 after the Athletic Department began investigating his handling of an alleged drug ring among wrestlers involving the anti-anxiety medication Xanax. Four wrestlers were later suspended.
Link: https://kstp.com/news/gable-steveso...-u-of-m-wrestlers-june-16-2019/5391580/?cat=1
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What we need is a survey of Student Life offices. Can we count on you?
Just bc it happened at a house where some wrestlers live doesn't mean it had anything to do with hazing. Certainly women go to that house for various reasons too. At this point it's obviously all just speculation but it doesn't sound good for anyone involved.
Good point.
I am trying to stick with what has been reported and documented. On Fri June 14, around 8:40 pm, someone (man or woman) needed help and called 911. That 911 call brought officers to Martinez' home. The police filed a report.
The next day, Sat June 15, Martinez was arrested at his home, the same address where the 911 call had been placed.
Was that last part sarcasm?
I ask because the white male
Victimhood machine is so so tiring... you realize black people get killed by cops for things like selling cigarettes on the street?
Let’s be real here, the last people on the planet who can claim victimhood is that group.
Gable won’t be given the same benefit of the doubt as Brett Kavanaugh and Brock Turner simply because he says “they are lying”.... if you think otherwise, you’re choosing to bury your head in the sand.
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in addition, either a man or woman is claiming to have been penetrated with an object.
this is one of many recent & very embarrassing incidents for Gopher athletics (football gang rape case; basketball player sexual assaults; wrestling drug dealing & now these sexual assault allegations).
"Steveson family attorney Christa Groshek said that the family is very surprised by these allegations and the fact that Gable is in custody. She urged people to not rush to judgment as the situation is still unfolding and it is unclear if he will face charges.
"He's a good kid, and a good athlete" she said."
WTF?
"He's a good kid, and a good athlete" she said."
WTF?
I thought that sounded odd and out of place too. What bearing could/should that have on the situation.
As others have said, the whole thing is going to suck for everyone involved. No winners in a situation like this.
I tend to agree with Wendy, most if not all women have a story or two to tell and the vast majority never get reported.
It's a veiled threat that Steveson is talented enough to go elsewhere if there's a chance of him not being fully supported by all parties.I thought that sounded odd and out of place too. What bearing could/should that have on the situation.
As others have said, the whole thing is going to suck for everyone involved. No winners in a situation like this.
I'm just amazed at how the controversy around Gopher wrestling continues to develop.
Where's the emphasis on high moral character that Eggum promised when he was in the process of begging to become the next HC of the wrestling program?
He supposedly purged the team of questionable individuals. Only to repopulate the team with his thugs?
If this ends up in a "worst case" scenario... he's got to be fired.
Where's the emphasis on high moral character that Eggum promised when he was in the process of begging to become the next HC of the wrestling program?
He supposedly purged the team of questionable individuals. Only to repopulate the team with his thugs?
If this ends up in a "worst case" scenario... he's got to be fired.
Yeah, it's ridiculous that would even be brought up as if it has any relevance to this case. Then again, a similar defense worked for that rapist from Stanford, so who even knows anymore
they were arrested Sat night; do they have to be charged by today or released?
will be interesting to see what happens today;
Once again Gopher athletics is making front page news in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, and for all the wrong reasons
will be interesting to see what happens today;
Once again Gopher athletics is making front page news in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, and for all the wrong reasons
She also said “he cooperated because he didn’t think he had anything to hide” (paraphrasing).
They eaither gave himself enough rope to hang himself, or they are after a bigger fish and he is the pawn.
Speculation is fun at 9 am.
if a search warrant occurred & they found the alleged object and if that object has the alleged victim's DNA on it......no bueno
Not going to rush to judgment.... obviously something happened and it sounds pretty disgusting.... I never cease to be amazed at the level of stupidity some young men that age are capable of....and lack of decency
This is revolting. My wife (who was my girlfriend at the time) and I were heading into a bar with another couple when a man approached us from behind and grabbed her ass. Was she hanging out with the wrong people? The only person at fault in these cases is the perpetrator. Stop victim blaming.
What would you attribute that high of percentage to? It is quite possible that there are some stories that have not been told to me as a male, but I can't think of one lady that I know well that has been raped/assaulted, and that would cover a couple/few hundred people.
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Actually, the NY man was killed not for selling illegal cigarettes, but accidentally as he actively resisted arrest.
If you are going to speak to "victimhood", you should get your facts straight and not misrepresent events.
I dont think she's playing a game here.
And hang around better people? So in this case, are girls on a campus hanging out with wrestlers hanging out with bad people?
This has to be one of the worst takes I have heard regarding the subject
Definitely this. Victims don't always tell others for various reasons, nor should they have to, nor should they have to tell everyone they know. Most of my friends are okay with going into some detail (or saying "___happened), but some have never told any sort of specifics, and that's okay. They don't need to re-live their trauma to feed my curiosity-masked-as-concern or to prove a point on a message board.
If I'm out with my closest guy friend, who I love as a wacky older brother, and I get groped or something (something relatively minor)...would I tell him? I don't know, because then shyte would start flying, and it's not worth him getting arrested. Would I tell him after the fact? I don't know, because then it'd be "well why didn't you tell me? I don't care if I get arrested for that."
When someone is saying I can’t breathe and they keep getting choked, the idea it was An accident is totally laughable.
While I agree with you, can we please stop talking politics on here?
I feel like you skirted the question that I asked you. You said every female you know under 50 has been assaulted/raped, I said no one that I know has been and allowed that there may well be some that have that have never brought that forward. You then emphasized that angle only.
Don't you think it is odd that your experience is 100% and mine is a qualified 0%?
Sorry.
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