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Fair....but where's the urgency to sign long term if you're KB?
you get hurt(major injury) and you're screwed(if you want to call it that lol), both side take a risk

with that said, I could live my life with what he's made so far and will make next year :)

did boston hire MIB? if so, lets hit them up! :D

Yu's three best seasons were 2012-2014. He has thrown 200 innings in his career a grand total of one time. He almost retired during the 2017 season before being traded. He had the worst two-start performance in World Series history. He admitted he was afraid to pitch at Dodger Stadium because of booing.

You're optimistic for what reason?
what other choice is there?
 
I don't mean to imply that there's no risk for KB. I'm simply saying where's the urgency? There are reports out there that KB declining an offer was bogus. Even if he did, there was nothing in the story to rule out continued negotiations. Too many people are taking out over a rumor that may or may not be true,
 
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Tom, I appreciate your kind words, and your sacking of a crappy hitting coach.
As further evidence of you being in, I'd like you to tell Theo to go get Victor Victor Mesa.

Thanks,

Lucas

PS, if you get Mesa I promise to not buy tickets on the secondary market next year, and to buy some officially licensed merchandise in the offseason.
 
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Theo and the Cubs brass seem really pissed. No more Mr. Nice Guy Cubs. They see the cracks in the "dynasty" they built and will not let it fall apart. Time to get down to some serious business. Theo ain't messing around.
 
Welp, it took longer than I thought, but I see the top brass found themselves a scapegoat when Davis got fired.

Be interesting if they get another downgrade like they did when the pitching coach got axed last year.
Another underachieving season and the bullpen coach goes in 2019.

Look long and hard in the mirror, Theo.
 
Recent Theo Mistakes: Heyward, Chatwood, Darvish,
Morrow. It seems the Cubs have problems in the
pitching department. Position players have been
beset by injuries, suspensions, complacency.

Bottom Line: Unless the Cubs reach the playoffs
in 2019. Joe Maddon's contract will not be renewed.
 
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I’m optimistic because I work with several former major league players and they all say he has great stuff and velocity (with good movement). They think the Cubs can still salvage some really good innings out of him, but it’s more mental than mechanics. They also believe that Joe’s relaxed style will help, too.

Based on my conversations with them, I feel like the Cubs will get some value from him. Prob not the money they paid, though.

Yu Darvish has undeniable talent.

However, you state you are optimistic about him, and in the same post state that it is more mental than physical.

How many 32-33 year olds magically harness the mental fortitude to finally harness their vast physical capabilities.

Quite frankly, if he pitches like he did to start this year, he will get boo'd so badly in Wrigley that he may decide to retire on account of hurt feelings.

The best case scenario for the Cubs is a couple of good seasons followed by abrupt retirement.

Front office leaders who make deals like this are those who do not plan to hold their post in three years.
 
Theo and the Cubs brass seem really pissed. No more Mr. Nice Guy Cubs. They see the cracks in the "dynasty" they built and will not let it fall apart. Time to get down to some serious business. Theo ain't messing around.

Theo can fire all of the coaches that he wants, but I wish it was as easy to undo his own mistakes.

-Trading a top 5 prospect and another top 100 prospect for a guy who looks like he'll be no better than a middle of the rotation guy.

-Signing Yu Darvish. I need to not type or say his name anymore as it makes me physically angry. There is 1% chance on surplus value on this dud of a deal for the guy who single-handedly lost a World Series.

-Tyler Chatwood

-Horrific farm system

-Still no pitchers in said farm system even close to contributing to a Major League rotation.

The "dynasty" that they built is over.

Astros, Yankees, and Dodgers all have better MLB rosters, top 10 farm systems, and better payroll situations.

The Cubs ranked 6 in MLB for ESPN's future power rankings last spring behind NYY, LA, Houston, STL, and ATL. I suspect they will be closer to #10 this year as the vaunted young core (that was supposed to peak in 2019) was a letdown this year and their farm system is a steaming pile.
 
Theo can fire all of the coaches that he wants, but I wish it was as easy to undo his own mistakes.

-Trading a top 5 prospect and another top 100 prospect for a guy who looks like he'll be no better than a middle of the rotation guy.

-Signing Yu Darvish. I need to not type or say his name anymore as it makes me physically angry. There is 1% chance on surplus value on this dud of a deal for the guy who single-handedly lost a World Series.

-Tyler Chatwood

-Horrific farm system

-Still no pitchers in said farm system even close to contributing to a Major League rotation.

The "dynasty" that they built is over.

Astros, Yankees, and Dodgers all have better MLB rosters, top 10 farm systems, and better payroll situations.

The Cubs ranked 6 in MLB for ESPN's future power rankings last spring behind NYY, LA, Houston, STL, and ATL. I suspect they will be closer to #10 this year as the vaunted young core (that was supposed to peak in 2019) was a letdown this year and their farm system is a steaming pile.
The farm system thing is simply because of the guys being with the big club, as well as Torres and Eloy being traded. Biggest mistake Theo made was getting Q instead of Verlander......he gets Verlander, cubs woulds have been in the world series last year, probably winning it. They somchai woulds have Cease and Eloy to trade.
 
KB came out this morning and said the story simply isn't true, so there's that, too. You basically have to look away from these kinds of negotiations until there's some resolution one way or the other. Someone could have leaked something thinking it was true but it wasn't. KB's side might have leaked it and later deny for a strategic purpose. The front office might have leaked something to put a toe in the public opinion water, who knows.

Let's also be real about Boras. He's all about maximizing money for his best guys so that he can maintain that "super agent" rep. He's not going to "decline it to be a jerk". Boras comes off as a jerk much of the time, but all of his moves are extremely calculated and let's also be real here....while the Cubs would love to lock Bryant in and while Bryant might want the peace of mind that comes with a long-term deal, where is the fire that would cause KB/Boras to take something less than what they're hoping for right now? There's no reason for them to accept at this point. You mention "doing it to be a jerk"....where's the win there? If they declined an offer, it's because they don't think it's good enough. This is a business deal involving hundreds of millions of dollars....nobody is doing anything just to be "nice" or just to be a "jerk".

I agree 100% about everything you're saying. The way I worded it probably came out wrong. The part I meant about being a jerk is, will Boras hold it against the Cubs for keeping KB back so as to not start his MLB clock? I trust Theo to get something done for KB. I wouldn't want to have to deal with agents like Boras for a living.
 
I agree 100% about everything you're saying. The way I worded it probably came out wrong. The part I meant about being a jerk is, will Boras hold it against the Cubs for keeping KB back so as to not start his MLB clock? I trust Theo to get something done for KB. I wouldn't want to have to deal with agents like Boras for a living.

I don't think he'll take a "stick it to the Cubs" approach per se, outside of him trying to hit another mega deal. That said, I'm sure he'll use that in negotiations and try to extract a few extra $$$ out of it....as he should.
 
The Yanks Didi Gregorius is undergoing off season Tommy John surgery. Says he'll be back the first part of the season but you have to think with only a year or two left on his contract the Yanks will take a run at Machado to replace him. Thought was the Yanks would be a player anyway. This news only makes that more of a probability.
 
I only got to listen to a snippet of it tonight, but Laurence Holmes was talking about Davis being fired, and launch angle. He brought up Ted Williams, who besides being a physiological freak, had a fundamental belief in "swing plane", which is today called launch angle. He was the hitting coach for the Rangers for awhile, and Holmes played some clips of Williams talking about how a ball came in from the pitcher at a downward angle of 4-8 degrees, and optimally you would want to match that to square up the ball.
A member of the Rangers during this time, who undoubtedly worked with Williams was Mike Bryant, the father of Kris Bryant.
A healthy KB, with a rededication to what make him good will rake next year.
 
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During his lifetime Manny Machado has talked about
being a New York Yankee. The Yankee front office will
definitely make him a offer like $200 million for 5 years.
 
Firing Davis was the right move, firing mallee was not.

One of the earned benefits of being the guy who won World Series in Boston and Chicago is you get enormous leash/grace period to make other people take the fall for your mistakes.

After the Cubs won the World Series in 2016, they were the consensus best team in baseball, and all of the projection systems had them as the top roster in MLB.

They now have a clearly inferior roster to Houston, Boston, LA Dodgers, and the Yankees, and have one of the worst farm systems in baseball.

We have likely seen the best of this Cubs nucleus, but keep firing coaches and making it look like it is an execution issue.
 
Maybe start moving some guys actually at the plate instead of firing hitting coaches every year.
Yep. We realize juggling contracts makes moving players difficult, but the Cubs are a team with many faults.
Theo made some of his own mess , not restocking the farm system might be his biggest neglect.
 
One of the earned benefits of being the guy who won World Series in Boston and Chicago is you get enormous leash/grace period to make other people take the fall for your mistakes.

After the Cubs won the World Series in 2016, they were the consensus best team in baseball, and all of the projection systems had them as the top roster in MLB.

They now have a clearly inferior roster to Houston, Boston, LA Dodgers, and the Yankees, and have one of the worst farm systems in baseball.

We have likely seen the best of this Cubs nucleus, but keep firing coaches and making it look like it is an execution issue.

So the move you'd like to see is for Theo to resign or for Ricketts to fire him. Let's be clear.
 
So the move you'd like to see is for Theo to resign or for Ricketts to fire him. Let's be clear.

Nope, not at all. I want to see Theo make good, smart moves that allow the Cubs to contend today and won't have them irrelevant in 4-5 years.

I want to see Theo's organization actually develop pitching so that they don't have to pay stiffs like Tyler Chatwood $38M to be historically wild on the mound.

Theo's three biggest moves since the World Series (Quintana trade, Darvish deal, Chatwood deal) were all "win-now" moves that range from pretty bad (Quintana) to definitely bad/possibly catastrophic (Darvish) to an absolute joke (Chatwood).

But hey, if they can get the right hitting coach, then all will be well.
 
Yep. We realize juggling contracts makes moving players difficult, but the Cubs are a team with many faults.
Theo made some of his own mess , not restocking the farm system might be his biggest neglect.

Outside of developing more in-system pitching, which has been widely acknowledge as a fault (even by Theo), how exactly would the Cubs have re-stocked the farm system? In terms of getting "gutted", that time frame only goes back to the Quintana & Wilson/Avila trades, really.

The system rating was falling already not due to neglect, but by Bryant, Baez, Russell, Schwarber, Almora, Contreras, Edwards, Soler, Caratini and Happ all becoming major league players within about a 24-month stretch. Look at any of the top systems currently and put the top 10 guys on ML rosters and watch how far they fall, that's how this stuff works. The criticism on pitching is that it forced those two trades because the system at that point still had Candelario, Paredes, Cease and Jimenez. Among them, Candelario was already blocked by KB/Baez. Add those 4 guys back and how high are the Cubs, mid teens maybe? They wouldn't be a top 10 system. Reading the reviews of the system shows that the Cubs have a depth of upside arms, but they're in the lower tier of the minors.

As for "re-stocking", how would they have done that? They'd have had to go into sell-off mode to flip guys for prospects and there's no way they were going to do that either of the last two seasons. I thought Theo did a good job this trade deadline of finding impact guys (Chavez, Hamels, Murphy, de la Rosa) who didn't cost them anyone particularly substantial. That's going to allow the group they have to stay together and continue to climb.

But do not forget that the #1 reason why the farm system has gone from one of the highest rated systems to the lower tier is that the system put 10 guys onto major league rosters in a 2-year span at a time when the franchise started winning and no longer was able to draft in the top 10 slots. I want to see what happens with these young arms. We could see a couple coming up soon.
 
Nope, not at all. I want to see Theo make good, smart moves that allow the Cubs to contend today and won't have them irrelevant in 4-5 years.

I want to see Theo's organization actually develop pitching so that they don't have to pay stiffs like Tyler Chatwood $38M to be historically wild on the mound.

Theo's three biggest moves since the World Series (Quintana trade, Darvish deal, Chatwood deal) were all "win-now" moves that range from pretty bad (Quintana) to definitely bad/possibly catastrophic (Darvish) to an absolute joke (Chatwood).

But hey, if they can get the right hitting coach, then all will be well.

I get the frustration, but the post I responded to was you pointing out that winning the WS buys you a long leash (no kidding, really?) to blame others like the hitting coach. I don't care much one way or the other about Chili....overall the numbers were ok, but they clearly tailed off in the 2nd half and were awful in September. I don't think they ever should have fired Mallee, but here we are.

I thought Theo's comments after the season were pretty self-reflective on things that haven't gone well. The Quintana deal hasn't been great, but so far, none of those prospects have contributed at the ML level (though Jimenez still looks like the real deal and Cease continues to deal in AA). Darvish, we'll see. This year was a 100% loss and he therefore likely won't ever live up to this deal as a whole, but if he gets fixed and comes back healthy next year, they could still get significant on-field value. As for Chatwood, this season was a dumpster fire, but I'm not giving up on him yet. I think the Cubs have given him some significant changes to incorporate. We'll see if he doubles down this off-season to figure it out.
 
I get the frustration, but the post I responded to was you pointing out that winning the WS buys you a long leash (no kidding, really?) to blame others like the hitting coach. I don't care much one way or the other about Chili....overall the numbers were ok, but they clearly tailed off in the 2nd half and were awful in September. I don't think they ever should have fired Mallee, but here we are.

I thought Theo's comments after the season were pretty self-reflective on things that haven't gone well. The Quintana deal hasn't been great, but so far, none of those prospects have contributed at the ML level (though Jimenez still looks like the real deal and Cease continues to deal in AA). Darvish, we'll see. This year was a 100% loss and he therefore likely won't ever live up to this deal as a whole, but if he gets fixed and comes back healthy next year, they could still get significant on-field value. As for Chatwood, this season was a dumpster fire, but I'm not giving up on him yet. I think the Cubs have given him some significant changes to incorporate. We'll see if he doubles down this off-season to figure it out.

Self-reflective, but his errors have been irreversible. Yu Darvish peaked in 2012-2013. Look a time FanGraphs, it's all right there. Since that time, he has lost two seasons to injury, pondered retirement, single-handedly lost a World Series, confessed to being scared of getting booed in Dodger Stadium, and will be facing major boo-birds in Wrigley if he starts poorly next season.

If you actually have faith that the guy above can ever produce 4 WAR/190-200 innings, I don't know what to tell you.

And these young arms in the system, until one of them appears on a top 100 list, I'll continue to assume that we will see the same.

I do expect that they will develop some more positional/hitting prospects, because this front office is as good at finding/developing position players as they are bad at finding/developing drafted pitching.
 
Outside of developing more in-system pitching, which has been widely acknowledge as a fault (even by Theo), how exactly would the Cubs have re-stocked the farm system? In terms of getting "gutted", that time frame only goes back to the Quintana & Wilson/Avila trades, really.

The system rating was falling already not due to neglect, but by Bryant, Baez, Russell, Schwarber, Almora, Contreras, Edwards, Soler, Caratini and Happ all becoming major league players within about a 24-month stretch. Look at any of the top systems currently and put the top 10 guys on ML rosters and watch how far they fall, that's how this stuff works. The criticism on pitching is that it forced those two trades because the system at that point still had Candelario, Paredes, Cease and Jimenez. Among them, Candelario was already blocked by KB/Baez. Add those 4 guys back and how high are the Cubs, mid teens maybe? They wouldn't be a top 10 system. Reading the reviews of the system shows that the Cubs have a depth of upside arms, but they're in the lower tier of the minors.

As for "re-stocking", how would they have done that? They'd have had to go into sell-off mode to flip guys for prospects and there's no way they were going to do that either of the last two seasons. I thought Theo did a good job this trade deadline of finding impact guys (Chavez, Hamels, Murphy, de la Rosa) who didn't cost them anyone particularly substantial. That's going to allow the group they have to stay together and continue to climb.

But do not forget that the #1 reason why the farm system has gone from one of the highest rated systems to the lower tier is that the system put 10 guys onto major league rosters in a 2-year span at a time when the franchise started winning and no longer was able to draft in the top 10 slots. I want to see what happens with these young arms. We could see a couple coming up soon.
Whew, you really researched that one.

Everyone is ragging on the lack of pitching. I understand your logic on position players.
 
Whew, you really researched that one.

Everyone is ragging on the lack of pitching. I understand your logic on position players.

Of course we're all ragging on lack of pitching. In the beginning, that was Theo'd tradeoff - he went college hitters at his best pick slots and hoped they could develop lower picks. It didn't work in the beginning. It may be working now, but we'll see, it'll take a couple years to see any dividends.

In reality, outside of the Lester deal, Theo should have stuck to what he has done well with consistency from the start -- find a variety of mid-level guys and rehab cases on the cheap to supplement the staff. The Cubs have gotten a lot of mileage from guys like Jason Hammel, Scott Feldman, Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, John Lackey, Cole Hamels, Trevor Cahill, Mike Montgomery, Paul Maholm (and maybe this year they'll hit on Drew Smyly) -- these guys either pitched pretty well for the Cubs as a great value via trade or free agency and/or became a good trade nugget that brought back other value.

Theo has done that pretty well from the start. I think that's what he was trying to do with Chatwood as well, but so far, that's a whiff. Quintana gave him good cost control, but he gave up a fortune in prospects.
 
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My only gripe in all of this is that they doubled down on all of their guys becoming stars. That might not be completely accurate but that's how if feels. Looking at the team the year before this past one I felt like there were some guys that could have been traded either for one stud or some pitching help. The value for those guys has significantly dropped to the point that they are now stuck with them. Obviously being able to have team control and for a low price probably played a huge role in it keeping them.
 
My only gripe in all of this is that they doubled down on all of their guys becoming stars. That might not be completely accurate but that's how if feels. Looking at the team the year before this past one I felt like there were some guys that could have been traded either for one stud or some pitching help. The value for those guys has significantly dropped to the point that they are now stuck with them. Obviously being able to have team control and for a low price probably played a huge role in it keeping them.

Yes, in retrospect, it would have been good to sell high on a couple of these guys. That said, it looked at several points like Baez would have been the one most likely to be traded. Russell's value is gone unless he hits like the AS SS he was projected to be. Schwarber's value is miles from where it was coming out of the 2015 playoffs or the 2016 WS.
 
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When I saw that... I thought it was a cruel joke.

Did the Cubs seriously just hire a hitting coach from one of the worst teams in the AL?:p:p:p
Maddon has one year left on his contract. That may have stymied Theo from casting a wide net. On the plus side Iapoce worked with several of the current players in ST and the minors. He will bring a rapport, and perhaps a return to the power game.
 
When I saw that... I thought it was a cruel joke.

Did the Cubs seriously just hire a hitting coach from one of the worst teams in the AL?:p:p:p

Well, he was Jed Hoyer’s assistant focused on player development from 2013-2015, so he knows these guys and was pretty involved as they tore through the minors.
 
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