So you do not see the issue with refs and their inconsistent foul calls? Got it. That is the point I am trying to make. Also why is their less fouls in a zone? I would like to here it from you besides the well if you do not know you must not be a good coach. I do know the difference, but the inconsistency from refs really make it difficult for my theory to be correct.
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when playing a zone most of the time you are guarding an area on the court until the ball comes into your area . as a whole life is inconsistent . one day you feel great ,the next day not so great . official are the same way . THEY ARE HUMAN . if i remember correctly you said you coach ? if that is correct did you improve as a coach every game , was your next game better than your last game ? if the answer is no then you were inconsistent .
you will be really proud of me , i found the play you were talking about . would it not have been easier to say the play where the center for iowa got bumped on the helmet and they called a false start on him ? yes it was a horrible call but we won . my argument with you is not that bad calls do not happen , they do , its that every bad call is not part of some big conspiracy plot to make more money whether it is the BIG or refs betting on the game . in this case the call went against us and we still won .
Well, at least two responses:
1. Conspiracies, concerts of action (like a conspiracy but without the express agreement-Henry II saying "will not someone rid me of this troublesome priest" and sonofabitch, four knights rode over to Canterbury and murdered St. Thomas Becket at the alter) and other nefarious schemes are always proved by a collection of otherwise inexplicable actions.
That play has no explanation but corruption or extremely . The officials on the field might have some blubbering explanation that would be nonsensical but THE REPLAY OFFICIALS do not have any such excuse. The saw the same video as did the hundreds of thousands of other viewers. There wasn't even a "phantom" movement on the Iowa side of the line (like seeing someone in motion move toward the line). There is simply no ground for that replay call to be viewed except disqualifying incompetence or disqualifying corruption and mens rea. Were those officials disciplined? Nope. By not disciplining those officials the Big Ten ratified their actions, e.g. you work for a contractor. You roll over to a different job site during company time. You kick the shit out of a competitor with a shovel furnished by your employer while working on employer time. The employer does nothing to you upon learning of your action. The employer accepted your conduct and by that acceptance becomes complicit in your conduct.
2. If this were 20 years ago I would have buried you because I VCRed every Iowa game from the 85-86 season until about 99. Here are some high lights.
Settles/Kingsbury/Woolridge soph season. Official was shown watching this in its entirety. A PU player first pushed, two hands in the chest, Kingsbury off the playing floor under the basket. The PU player then obtained more leverage by pushing his forearm into Kingsbury's throat-off the court- and finally used forearm in the throat to pin Kingbury against the basket support. Now the whole time Kingsbury is watching the official watching this happen obviously looking for the obvious foul call. No call ever came, although their was an official facing and watching this play. It would not have been possible for that official to not see what was happening. Finally Kingsbury pushed the guy off and KABLAAM here comes the four foul free throws following the T on Kingsbury.
Of course the balls in the face from Indiana, also resolved with a T called on a phantom punch that was clearly not thrown. Two years in a row. The granddaddy of the corruption in the last three games in 81, if you're of an age to remember. Everyone who is will recall the phantom foul putting Minnesota at the line with the clock expired. The OB to Illinois at the end of the next game where both officials watched the Illini push Kenny Arnold OB, giving a foul to stop Iowa to run out the clock. Nope, it was OB Iowa and Illinois gets the ball for a last second win. Then, the ****ing Mona Lisa of dishonest officiating, Jim Bain's fabricated travel on Kevin Boyle, calling it from under the basket left on an Iowa player 25 feet away on the other side of the lane around the modern three point line. Did you make that call often in your officiating career, guessing not cuz I've never seen anything else like it. Replay showed not only no travel, nothing that could have been seen as a travel. PU gets the ball from an Iowa team running out the clock. Then, PU scores, ties game. Iowa takes last shot. Bain again runs from under basket left to beyond top of the key right, puts a hand right in Boyle's chest for a foul call. Now Kevin Boyle was never close, as in separated by feet, not inches, from the nearest PU player. No one could have seen what Bain saw because nothing like Bain's calls happened. Seriously, did you call a lot fouls on a guy or girl if you did both, that was FEET away from the nearest opponent.
Thought of another classic. A Phil Bova classic. Iowa's roaring back from a double digit deficit against Indiana. Next Iowa score ties, I think. Dr. Davis press was in classic form. We're pressing the inbound hard. Bova gets to the four count then raises his hand. Phil keeps his hand in the air for four more seconds. Hand doesn't start to drop until Indiana player tosses the ball in and then it came down like a tomahawk chop. He just stopped counting.
But, its a double play. Big white kid from Indiana gets the inbound. More important than skin color was shoe color. An all white shoe on that big white kid promptly came down at a 90 degree angle with the boundary.
Real obvious cuz the line was black, the skirt was bright red so the color contrast made it easy to see. As indeed Phil saw, because the vid replay showed Bova looking at that very big white shoe as it came down OB. Upon seeing the foot land Bova then simply turned away. Won a lot of bets on that video because no one believed the four extra seconds but I had a second by second replay VCR (pretty high tech for the time).
Then there are all the games where MSU will go on long runs without any foul calls. They aren't playing any less physically, the officials involved are either intimidated or corrupted. If this happened once or twice, maybe understandable, but not for years at a time with the same team getting the benefit of this weird anomalous deviation from the usual course of a game. Not just against Iowa either. This happens routinely. I'm not sure what is going on with Sparty this year but you watch their games historically and you'll notice that strangely providential whistle swallow at extremely helpful parts of Sparty's games. Not every game and certainly not every official.
It isn't every official and it isn't every game. But enough inexplicable calls happen and have for decades, and that itself becomes the pattern. The guy that assigns the officials knows most of the individual ref's idiosyncrasies. Pretty easy to assign a guy that loves Indiana to an important Indiana game. That assignment doesn't necessarily change the result but it sure improves Indiana's chances.
We'll watch the same games going forward. I'm only talking about calls that cannot be explained as just good faith mistakes, which obviously will always happen.
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JFC you got it bad . you need help . i will bet you sat around all day thinking this shit up . get yourself some help dude , please .
Those aren't shit I made up, its shit I've seen happen.
What is the evidence I'm wrong? You're just counting on a presumption that college officials are universally more incorruptible and righteous than people involved in literally every other human endeavor-a pretty unlikely premise; and, the businessmen that run the Big Ten are far less mercenary and mercantilist, if not incorruptible and righteous themselves, than all other men of business running multi billion dollar businesses-an even taller order. Given the league's recent rule change for tOSU, admittedly done for the single purpose of enriching the Big Ten, that second proposition seems a particularly untimely sales pitch.
My premise: refs and the league officials are exactly like every group of people engaged in comparable activities. Cops take payoffs from drug cartels and local "businesses" somewhere in this country every day. Priests rape children and bishops covered it for centuries. But basketball refs and Big Ten executives universally sing only in the highest of the 9 angelic choirs. Right........
Our resident officials were probably backing Donaghy until he confessed too. People always gotta protect their own until it is impossible to deny wrongdoing, then they cast that person out and act like that person is the only wrongdoer in the profession. This is a futile argument
its not that it cant happen , its not that it wont happen . DSD thinks EVERY bad call is a conspiracy theory . the football incident is a perfect example against purdue in 2019 . it was a horrible call , horrible . it was such a bad call it might make a person wonder IF we had not won the game . if that bad call was an attempt to make iowa lose the game why did they not follow thru with it ? we WON 26-20 .
Sleeping dog is always whining about conspiracies so you can't take him seriously. But papabeef also thinks college refs are as good at calling the block/charge fouls as NBA refs so his biased mind is ridiculous as well.
If you want to watch a properly reffed game, watch an NBA game. They're miles better than college refs (yes I know papabeef thinks it's the opposite).
If you want to watch a properly reffed game, watch an NBA game. They're miles better than college refs (yes I know papabeef thinks it's the opposite).
dont know that i have ever mentioned NBA refs . dont know that i ever said college refs were good at block charge calls . i feel they missed one in the minny against joe t . it is by far the hardest call to make .
He didn’t confess until the whistle was blown on him and a couple other refs. Then he came out and said that that both other refs and the NBA were involved. His credibility is shot so I obviously take everything he says with a huge grain of salt, but it’s not even a little hard to believe that there are refs at either the college or professional stage who use their positions to inappropriately influence games... especially with the insane amount of money floating around because of sports betting
How about the 2006 Outback Bowl against Florida, which was officiated by Sun Belt officials. Someone had to have made some money on that one.
Didn’t think that my post was laugh out loud funny, but always appreciate the opportunity to brighten peoples’ days
Only a league or the inadvertent spillover from a police investigation will ever be able to get inside the gambling. As long as the refs that gamble remember pigs get fed and hogs get butchered you could do it for 20 years and not get caught.. Otherwise no one will ever know unless the FBI grabs a ref and then that guy flips on other guys. These off book gamblers are both smart and, in a business where snitches get killed. I'm thinking any ref ballsy enough to gamble would also be smart enough to create a scheme to circumvent league investigators and man enough to take the time rather than maybe get his family killed for snitching. Hence its pretty unlikely that anyone could get to the truth. You guys really show no knowledge of back door big money gambling operations. Your level of credulity might diminish if you had some knowledge of how that high dollar gambling works. You must be teachers or HR guys.
Three weeks after the Big Ten makes the entirely mercenary decision to change its champ game eligibility rules to get tOSU into the game, which was obviously a mercenary decision based on the money lost without tOSU in the champ game and the playoff, you guys think it takes a conspiracy theorist to suspect officiating assignments are designed to maximize profit? I'm laughing at that level of naivete.
All right now I'm growing bored. We'll see what we see in events yet to come. We may revisit the issue at that time.
Three weeks after the Big Ten makes the entirely mercenary decision to change its champ game eligibility rules to get tOSU into the game, which was obviously a mercenary decision based on the money lost without tOSU in the champ game and the playoff, you guys think it takes a conspiracy theorist to suspect officiating assignments are designed to maximize profit? I'm laughing at that level of naivete.
All right now I'm growing bored. We'll see what we see in events yet to come. We may revisit the issue at that time.
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