Just want to correct 1 thing, Kem was beating those guys this year and the next, so it works out for Zahid and Mark that Kem is gifting them 2018-19.
Enjoy it boys, Kemerer is coming back next year and taking 2 titles on his way out the door.
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Enjoy it boys, Kemerer is coming back next year and taking 2 titles on his way out the door.
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Why are people talking about Kem and Ashnault's injuries during their redshirt year? So they have to miss competition due to injury their redshirt year AND a second non-redshirt season? That doesn't make sense.
Kem's missing an entire season due to injury requiring surgery. That's gotta be automatic medical 6th year.
When does the NCAA make that decision? Will it be after this season, or during Kem's 5th year? Would be ridiculous to make him wait until his 5th season to notify him on if he'll get a 6th season, but I wouldn't put it past the NCAA.
Yep wonder if he was planning on grad school ? sure would be handy to know if he’s still going to be wrestling that long
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Hopefully they did. It's ridiculous that it isn't clear cut to begin with so you don't have to pray for one. Make the rules clear. If he ends up not being granted the 6th year, then it might've been worth it for him to make a run at big tens and nationals this year.
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The rule not being objective is the problem to begin with .
It's not clear cut its a case by case situation.The way the rule is written you've to miss 2 seasons due to injury.But the NCAA has been giving way more medicals lately.Thats the reason we were discussing Ashnault situation because he was granted a 6th year but he missed 2 seasons
Lighten up Francis, he didn't kneed to!
The wishy-washy requirements for a 6th year due to medical hardship is ridiculous. With player safety being in the forefront in most all sports today you would think the ncaa would make this simple; major injury that requires the athlete to miss significant time, extra year granted. Instead it's so up in the air several guys are putting themselves at risk wrestling/ playing while injured, it's ultimately having a negative effect towards player safety.
With that said good luck on the rehab Kem, look forward to seeing you in the black singlet next year
With that said good luck on the rehab Kem, look forward to seeing you in the black singlet next year
Might as well bank on him being at 84 with the Thanksgiving meal he just had.
PSU fan here. Sorry to hear for Michael and your team.
I’m impressed. WTF are you smoking, man?
I’m not so sure.... He’s only going to have missed one season due to injury.
Iowa MBA program is legit and Kem is a business major per the Iowa bio. Hope he does consider that as an option.
Diceman over at BWI shared this which may shed some light on the situation..
He will definitely get a medical. That is a no brainerfor this year. He easily meets the participation criteria for this and documentation is no issue as he is getting surgery (not that it would have been anyway).
What will let him compete for his fourth year is being granted a 6th (or 7th - that has been granted before, although I don't think in wrestling) year of eligibility. This is done by committee review and criteria is basically missing two or more years due to hardshipunder circumstances beyond the athletes control. The italicized is the critical factor. Here are some examples:
Circumstances considered beyond the control of the student-athlete include, but are not limited to, the following:
1. Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;
2. The student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of a life-threatening or incapacitating injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athlete’s immediate family, which clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation;
3. Reliance by the student-athlete upon written, contemporaneous, clearly erroneous academic advice provided to the student-athlete from a specific academic authority from a collegiate institution regarding the academic status of the student-athlete or prospective student-athlete, which directly leads to that individual not being eligible to participate and, but for the clearly erroneous advice, the student-athlete would have established eligibility for intercollegiatecompetition;
4. Natural disasters (e.g., flood, earthquake); and
5. Extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g., layoff, death in the family) experienced by the student-athlete or by an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent, which prohibit the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics. These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent.
Unfortunately, redshirt is specifically identified as not qualifying under this criteria. Again, some examples:
Circumstances considered to be within the control of the student-athlete or the institution include, but are not limited to, the following:
1. A student-athlete’s decision to attend an institution that does not sponsor his/her sport, or decides not to participate at the institution that does sponsor his/her sport;
2. An inability to participate due to failure to meet institutional/conference or NCAA academic requirements, or disciplinary reasons or incarceration culminating in or resulting from a conviction;
3. Reliance by a student-athlete upon misinformation from a coaching staff member;
4. Redshirt year;
5. An inability to participate as a result of a transfer year in residence or fulfilling a condition for restoration of eligibility; and
6. A student-athlete’s lack of understanding regarding the specific starting date of his/her five-year period of eligibility.
Fortunately, the committee is not bound by the above and is free to consider cases on an individual basis (12.8.1.5.1 ...The Committee on Student-Athlete
Reinstatement reserves the right to review requests that do not meet the more-than-one-year criteria detailed) .But above is basically their guidelines. Recently, it seems that the committee is a bit more lax in granting the sixth year, but Kemerer will still have to make an argument for circumstances beyond his control for his first year. Likewise, PSU is in the same boat with Cassar, specifically, not being enrolled is not a hardship outside of his control and he is likely going to have to provide documentation of an incapacitating injury.
So, slam dunk it is not. But I wouldn't consider it unlikely at this point. Honestly, who knows what the deal will be two years from now anyway? It certainly won't be more restrictive.
He will definitely get a medical. That is a no brainerfor this year. He easily meets the participation criteria for this and documentation is no issue as he is getting surgery (not that it would have been anyway).
What will let him compete for his fourth year is being granted a 6th (or 7th - that has been granted before, although I don't think in wrestling) year of eligibility. This is done by committee review and criteria is basically missing two or more years due to hardshipunder circumstances beyond the athletes control. The italicized is the critical factor. Here are some examples:
Circumstances considered beyond the control of the student-athlete include, but are not limited to, the following:
1. Situations clearly supported by contemporaneous medical documentation, which states that a student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate competition as a result of incapacitating physical or mental circumstances;
2. The student-athlete is unable to participate in intercollegiate athletics as a result of a life-threatening or incapacitating injury or illness suffered by a member of the student-athlete’s immediate family, which clearly is supported by contemporaneous medical documentation;
3. Reliance by the student-athlete upon written, contemporaneous, clearly erroneous academic advice provided to the student-athlete from a specific academic authority from a collegiate institution regarding the academic status of the student-athlete or prospective student-athlete, which directly leads to that individual not being eligible to participate and, but for the clearly erroneous advice, the student-athlete would have established eligibility for intercollegiatecompetition;
4. Natural disasters (e.g., flood, earthquake); and
5. Extreme financial difficulties as a result of a specific event (e.g., layoff, death in the family) experienced by the student-athlete or by an individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent, which prohibit the student-athlete from participating in intercollegiate athletics. These circumstances must be clearly supported by objective documentation and must be beyond the control of the student-athlete or the individual upon whom the student-athlete is legally dependent.
Unfortunately, redshirt is specifically identified as not qualifying under this criteria. Again, some examples:
Circumstances considered to be within the control of the student-athlete or the institution include, but are not limited to, the following:
1. A student-athlete’s decision to attend an institution that does not sponsor his/her sport, or decides not to participate at the institution that does sponsor his/her sport;
2. An inability to participate due to failure to meet institutional/conference or NCAA academic requirements, or disciplinary reasons or incarceration culminating in or resulting from a conviction;
3. Reliance by a student-athlete upon misinformation from a coaching staff member;
4. Redshirt year;
5. An inability to participate as a result of a transfer year in residence or fulfilling a condition for restoration of eligibility; and
6. A student-athlete’s lack of understanding regarding the specific starting date of his/her five-year period of eligibility.
Fortunately, the committee is not bound by the above and is free to consider cases on an individual basis (12.8.1.5.1 ...The Committee on Student-Athlete
Reinstatement reserves the right to review requests that do not meet the more-than-one-year criteria detailed) .But above is basically their guidelines. Recently, it seems that the committee is a bit more lax in granting the sixth year, but Kemerer will still have to make an argument for circumstances beyond his control for his first year. Likewise, PSU is in the same boat with Cassar, specifically, not being enrolled is not a hardship outside of his control and he is likely going to have to provide documentation of an incapacitating injury.
So, slam dunk it is not. But I wouldn't consider it unlikely at this point. Honestly, who knows what the deal will be two years from now anyway? It certainly won't be more restrictive.
I felt confident that he would get a medical redshirt until I saw that willie feels strongly about him getting one. Now I feel like he has no chance since willie is wrong more often than not.
If a medical hardship waiver is granted, Kemerer would have the 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons to go for a title. Barring injuries of his own this year, Hall will be out of the picture one of those two years (he either sits out 2019-20 or wrestles and thus graduates before 2020-21). Same goes for Valencia, except his sitting option next year would have to be an Olympic rather than "regular" redshirt.
Thus, there is an extremely high probability Kemerer is free of both guys one of those two years. Barring immediate injury and granting of medical hardship waivers to Hall or Valencia, the only way I see the combo in Kemerer's path both years is if Hall wrestles 2019-20 while Valencia takes an Olympic redshirt, and then Valencia wrestles his last season in 2020-21.
Agree. It's like he has to visit the wizard of Oz and ask for his wish. Needlessly opaque.
Don't know, but if it isn't revealed sooner, it should be obvious after his surgery.
Who was the Iowa football player that missed a lot of at least two seasons that the NCAA slow dragged his request till it was past draft declaration date (or something like that)?
It was for sure, all thought... then the NCAA crashes the party.
Same week, I believe they granted a 6th year to a quarterback somewhere because the coach quit and he didn’t like the new coach.
Go figure...
It was for sure, all thought... then the NCAA crashes the party.
Same week, I believe they granted a 6th year to a quarterback somewhere because the coach quit and he didn’t like the new coach.
Go figure...
Interesting, the iowa wrestling roster has Bowmans weight at 174. Don't know if that has been recently altered.
Which is why the secrecy around it all is kind of ridiculous at this point
Based on recent 6th year decisions, from a purely circumstance standpoint, he looks like a good bet. It's pretty tough to say "shoo in" IMHO because it goes deeper than that. 6th years are often denied due to not meeting academic requirements but the rub is that no one is allowed to comment publicly on that fact.
"Which is why the secrecy around it all is kind of ridiculous at this point"
HIPPA...
HIPPA...
I can almost guarantee you that Renteria will never see 133 and Nelson will never see 157. You're more likely to see Nelson/Kemerer at 174/184 (either order) and Assad sitting a year. Young staying down at 157 will be tough as well in 2021. The weak weight might be 157 in 2021. And for those on this board that say Brands looks small at 165 (against Gunther) shouldn't rely on their eyes very often....he will give Marinelli all he can handle by the end of this year.
The NCAA doesn't give a sh-- about PS Wrestling Club and only 9.9 scholarships, so they won't care about a 6th year for Kem, unless Cael puts in a couple of words against it....
What the hell are you driving at? He came over and actually dropped a respectful message then you step in with that. If that's all you can bring to the table then why bother in the 1st place?
Hope I am way off base on this, but I would not be surprised to see a Cassar 6th year granted with a Kemerer one getting denied. I have never heard of an Iowa wrestler ever getting a 6th year. Not sure many if any have tried. I also don't remember many if any Iowa athletes at all getting them. Not sure if the admin makes it hard or does not fight for them as hard as other schools. I would guess that the bigger hissy fit, lawyers, your school throws behind you the better chance you have. I do not know the workings of how these go down but I just have this feeling the admin doesn't like their athletes going after them.
How does the medical shirt impact scholly monies? Seems like some situations would push a team over the 9.9 with the wrong timing. If we have 9.9 allocated for 2020 but he’s allowed to wrestle.
I agree. Nothing but love for Kemdawg on the PSU board. Injuries suck and no one wants them to happen.
You're in a better spot with Bowman being your guy.
And it was 125 and 133 @ PSU, and only last season.
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