Tom and Terry went nuts as soon as RBY did it. If that isn't an illegal move it sure as hell should be. I bet if opponents started torqueing on PSU wrestler's knees like that Carl and Casey would put a stop to it pretty quickly.
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Dont forget Nolf against Hidlay, they screwed Hidlay big and Nolf knew it. Nolf is one of my favorite non Hawk wrestling but that was the biggest screw job ever!
It’s easy to smear refs. No verifiable proof of cheating is required, just certainty that a growing number of people have seen it. Me, I’d need far more evidence before attacking the character of a professional inherently sworn to be impartial. I’ll even grant that calls made by human eyes in constant motion for a better view, or temporarily shielded from the deciding one, might end up being wrong. I’ll further admit that some of those bad calls will go against my guy.
Our sport’s great tournament is coming, officiated by refs proud to show their skills on the NCAA’s national stage. You’ll be focused on how any cheaters (or are ALL refs complicit?) manipulate their match schedule so they can favor one team . . . “multiple” times.
Got it.
I've got a crazy take. I don't think DeSanto, Rathjen or Bartlett are the kind of guys to fake an injury to get out of a bad situation. You can judge the referee's decision on when he stopped the match or did or didn't award points, but, I don't believe these kids were faking the pain they were in.
As for the "PSU gets all the calls" take. It's in the same category as the "Penn State is cheating" mantra. It's silly and stated due to envy of PSU's current dominance, plain and simple and it should be expected by PSU fans. Hell, it's the ultimate compliment.
As for the "PSU gets all the calls" take. It's in the same category as the "Penn State is cheating" mantra. It's silly and stated due to envy of PSU's current dominance, plain and simple and it should be expected by PSU fans. Hell, it's the ultimate compliment.
It's not me, you frump.
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Wow! In the whole state of Pennsylvania there is a rude city. Bravo doofus.It's not me, you frump.
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I was called “frump” so I had to look it up. It means the opposite of stylish. Maybe, I sometimes do wear my fishing clothes to church.
When you are dominating so much that opposing fans are accusing you of paying off referees and cheating, it is definitely the ultimate compliment! (I realize most aren't to Ironbird levels and don't believe that, but, some seem to agree with him)
PRO sports are ALL about the $$$$$. "getting the calls" because of who a player might be, is a VERY sorry ass excuse for B8LLSH*T calls!!!!
^^^^THIS^^^^ The PepeLaBuea should be removed from the B1Gs PERIOD!!!
Hmm, you got this correct!!!
Was illegal, was intentional, problem was, no one punch KYJelly in his face after doing it!!!
They also SCREWED KemDawg!
You read this horse crap and have to LOL!!!! The 125 match where the POS REFs got the call wrong in real time, which EVERYONE could clearly see was wrong!!!! Then got a chance to review it ON VIDEO and STILL kept the wrong call!!!! THEN to have the great Krailure say it was the right call on top!!!!!
You people are GARBAGE!!!
NO ONE would have any issue IF it was done on the up and up!!! Just like the POS NE Patriots, I have absolutely NO RESPECT!!! The POS NCAA should have been looking into this all the sh*t taking place over there years ago!!!
Instead the SCUMBAGS suspend kids for betting on a girls sport!!!
A good trout stream puts you in better company than most churches …
I don’t know what your point is but in Pennsylvania we hate Philadelphia. Sports fan aside , it’s a horrible city .
I live in a small town, it’s not much different than a small town in Iowa.
I live in a small town, it’s not much different than a small town in Iowa.
Athletes are well versed on the no gambling rule, it’s nothing new.
As for pro sports being about the $$$, so is college. Those athletes betting on women’s basketball weren’t betting corn cobs. It was cash money homes.
The lack of self awareness and arrogance shown by many PSU fans is awful. PSU's douchiest fans are seemingly standing in line to take turns coming to the Iowa board to prove themselves.
Complaining about PD is complaining just to complain. The ref standing over the action has the best view of the action. These same people complaining would be bitching if an ACL was torn because the ref didn't stop it. Arguing takedown calls is one thing but arguing PD is just being get off my lawn guy
Three home matches and three opposing coaching staffs going completely ballistic. In addition to that all the wrestling media saying there was some extremely suspect calls. This is not made up BS, it was clear as day and the other coaches (not HAWK people) were letting it be known and they will continue to do so straight into the nationals.
And that was 5 years ago. Referees will not ever get every call right. It's only in high profile situations do people complain.
https://fanbuzz.com/national/worst-calls-in-sports-history/ Over 50 years of watching sports calls I've seen doozies including those linked in the article.
It's never going to be perfect and why people dwell on this is beyond me.
“Best team ever my ass” was my takeaway from this dual.
Best team ever can never be determined because of so many things. And the season isn't over yet. And you still won't know.
^^^ I believe dis guy is trying to take over as the KING of stupidity!??!?! PRO sports being about the $$$$ and saying college is also is just NOT understanding!!! Yes tons of money invested in college but PRO sports are controlled by the $$$$ and it is well proven.
YES, you can say which team is the BEST EVER in college wrestling and it is really very easy and NOT debatable!!!
Did you see the other coaches at these dual meets, there is a reason to dwell when it's "consistently" wrong! It's not just Hawk people complaining ask the Maryland coach what he thinks or maybe the Rutgers guys! I won't even mention Nebby
So, you and others believe one of these happens regularly at Lion home matches:
1 - A grown-ass adult male ref is so intimidated by Cael, he makes judgment calls favoring PSU.
2 - A ref breaks the trademark impartiality of his profession to favor PSU on borderline calls due to personal bias.
3 - A ref is compensated in some way for favoring PSU on close calls.
In addition, any or all of these cheating scenarios have gone on for years at both Lion home matches and NCAA tournaments. They’re legitimate factors in the individual and team titles won by Lions under Cael . . . far more than the wrestling skills of the six 3-time title winners, the five 2-timers, and six 1-time champs.
It’s only the unwanted opinion of an old Lion fan who visits for Spencer scoop and good insights, but I don’t think “they cheat” is a skirt most proud fans of a legendary program want to hide behind.
Take the last word. I won’t rebut it.
Just more confirmation bias over a few calls. What should be blatantly apparent is everyone else is so far behind Penn State that they cannot smell PSU’s exhaust fumes.
Of course, these people are going to say that. The Nebraska match wasn’t really that close and most of the pundits predicted this would be psu’s toughest meet. And it was and they won rather easily .
No one else sniffed the victory against them this year, and it wasn’t due to some controversial call by a referee. Calls that happen every day in every single sport at every level.
Just get better.
It’s always debatable. You really think teams from the past would beat the teams now?
College sports are all about money, it’s foolish not to think they are.
And still referees aren’t perfect, and never will be. There will always be a controversial call, especially to those who are the outside looking in.
ibird and grip you guys got the pst boys slobbering all over themselves, guess they have never heard of home cooking
Major college sports are, and even then it can still be simplified to the universities see college sports as money makers.
But what about all the non-major programs, the D2, D3, and JUCO schools? Does Augustana, or Wartburg, or Augsburg wrestling exist because it's "all about the money"?.............
(P.S. it's okay, you don't have to say no. We all know that's the answer.
)Only if it benefits Penn State. Any call that doesn't benefit Penn State is otherwise considered a correct call.
Do you have working brain cells? You can ONLY compare teams, athletes etc.... Based on the results they had!!!
The HAWK team that scored 170 points is by far the best team in the modern era, and maybe ever? What they accomplished is ridiculous to think about!
Now saying how they might stack up to one of todays teams, or a team from 75 years ago etc.... that is ALL speculation. Very similar to talking about the GOAT Babe Ruth. Many will say ALL sorts of things about "today as compared to then" ???
FACT is, he was doing things, such as hitting Home runs, at such a clip. That by himself, he was hitting more then just about every other TEAM!!!! IF it was something that was easy to do??? Why wasn't ANYONE else even close?
The money in college sports is NO WHERE near PRO sports. Once more, NFL football for example is NO LONGER about the actual game being played, It is about Betting and drinking, and $$$$$!!! That is IT!!!
For example, back in the day, my friend had JETS season tickets. It included travels on the "JETS BUS." This was a commercial bus that was organized from a local bar. From time to time I would go to a game with him. Back then, the bus would be about 45 MEN, with maybe 5 women.
Although most of the "men" were just there to drink their asses off, it was still MEN!!! That same bus now I still see sometimes. I would say it is now 50-50 men and women. The NFL if you can say anything at all good about them? They are not stupid. The direction of the actual games is a disgrace!!!
GREAT ATHLETES just playing an "orchestrated game!" Don't get me wrong about what I am trying to say, which is FOOTBALL WAS a ROUGH, RUGGED, HARD NOSED, game of WARRIORS!!!
I am not sure what it is today? but you now have women officials, women asking the dang coaches what the game plan is at the 1/2 etc.... I am guessing they will soon have to have women coaches, maybe women on the teams??? I do not know but the sport as it once was, will be unrecognizable in 25-30 years!!!
You might think it is a good thing? I mean you believe the REFs at fun happy land are "just making honest mistakes!?!?!?" YOU ARE A FOOL!!!!
AND I get that we now have a unbelievable number of "FOOLS" in this country!!! It makes me feel real sad and gets me real mad also. When I see my state going to HELL at an incredibly rapid pace, and knowing full well it is 100% being done on purpose.
I am here FIGHTING the good fight till the END!!!!
Yes WE need to get better!
Which sports? if we are talking about football the answer is absolutely YES, the guys now would not make it past halftime most would be carted off the field before halftime.
Baseball another absolute Yes and I will use one player to win this argument hands down, Nolan Ryan…!
Okay I'm done for now, Let's go Hawks beat those Pokes!
I’ll clarify my position in the Haines/Franek match the hold is illegal. Haines posted his head on Franek’s knee and pulled his foot out going against the joint of the knee. Watch the video second by second
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No one ride would definitely be able to play in this game now, but the goofy way they use all these metrics and statistics and baseball. I find it on watch one I just don’t care.
And then versus now the guys are bigger, faster and stronger. They would destroy those guys back then. Go watch an old Iowa Hawkeye game maybe from 1985 and checked the weights on the offensive and defensive lines. You’ll see 265 pound tackles back then we could talk about toughness back then, but those were the rules. The guys are just too big.
And honestly you use today’s rules. Those guys would get hammered even worse from back in the day.
As for wrestling, who knows? I’m sure there’s improved training, rest in recovery, and sports medicine from back then which might keep the current guys more healthy and ready to go championship team, then the team from the 90s.
But if you wanna argue best team ever what was the competition like? What does that mean? In wrestling often look at the point in the championship is the way to define it and obviously I had a fantastic year. That year was six finalists and five titlrists. I believe they also had eight all Americans.
If I’m not mistaken, they might also have the biggest scab between first and second, but I don’t exactly what that number is. So if Penn State has six finalists and they have four Titleist but score 172 points are they better? If they have title and score 160 points And win the title by a larger gap in Iowa did 1997 are they better?
Who the hell knows, I don’t think you could compare a team from 27 years ago to a team today. You could throw them all in a mix of greatest teams ever and then you can make your tier list in a cool YouTube video.
"Bigger, faster, stronger"???? Maybe Fatter, sloppier and softer!!!! Jon Kolb was the STRONGEST O-lineman that ever played. He may not have weighed as much as the PIGS today, but would have very little problem handling any of them!!!
Joe Klecko was the STRONGEST D-linemen and would have a field day in todays game!!!
Mickey Mantel STILL has the LONGEST HR ever recored.
Darrel Green was most likely the fastest player ever.
It goes on and on, no doubt the players overall height and weight has risen over the years. Problem is, most are overweight and out of shape. This is NOT only at the highest level. The HS lineman I play with, almost never came off the field. Played O and D and most on special teams too.
I see HS kids today who can't run down the field one time with out needing a lung break!?!?!? I see NFL players taking themselves out constantly. I do not follow the game very much anymore, but have not heard of ANY Running backs, O-lineman, LBers that would be considered ALL-TIME greats?
Where are the LTs, Paytons, Cambells, websters, etc.....
Regardless if our team is the BEST in the country we love HAWKEYE wrestling and its proud tradition. With that being said we OBVIOUSLY must have the best chat room because you cant swing a dead cat in here without hitting a PSU Troll or an UBER PSU fan just slobbering over the fact that they have the best team right now. That's the problem... you have a good team and you are at the top...now go back to your $hitty Chat room and talk and brag amongst yourselves as nobody here gives a flying F#&K about your team. That is EXACTLY why we don't call this the PSU chatroom. You guys should really raise some more cash or ask everyone who says the WE ARE deal to pony up and buy a better football Coach because its been DECADES since you were even relevant on the National stage... try beating Ohio State or Michigan to start.
Bingo. It's extremely hard for them to just come and chat wrestling. We can talk about one of our wrestlers needing to be better, and you'll get 5 PSU guys come to agree that our guys isn't doing well, while giving a quick reach around to their 3rd string backup 174lber that was great in practice the other day.
Put down the crack pipe, do you understand the difference between one person and the field? Bench pressing only matter so much to an individual vs other factors. Once you're strong enough other things come into play. Jon Kolb was quite strong but a guy outweighing him by 50 lbs who's almost as strong who's quicker can get the best of him. And it's not just the one on one but the whole team.
Sanders, Jackson, and other are as fast as Green, but again we have more fast guys now than then. Bob Hayes might be the fasted man ever to play in the NFL but he's not considered the best receiver of all time.
Longest Home run? seriously? You're using that metric? All that means us that HR was hit at a park where the ball could leave the field. that's not happening in the modern game. George Foster hit a HR in the 70s in an upper deck that was measured at 500 plus feet. If that could leave the park, it's over 700 feet. Just like any of the modern guys. Mantle has a record due to the ballpark design, no other reason.
You make little to NO sense do you realize this? Jon Kolb was STRONG!!!! Not just Bench press strong, but REAL STRONG!!! The LARD asses of today would NOT get the best of him. Hell I played in a league where most of the players were former college football players. From time to time they would have me at O-line. At the time I was under 200 pounds and most of the D-lineman were much bigger/heavier then me.
I honestly was surprised at how well I did. Being a former Wrestler, being STRONG and in shape, I more then held my own!
As far as SPEED, I am not talking about a timed 40 or other BS!!!! I am talking about ON FIELD with equipment real world speed. WATCH the videos of him catching people from behind, it is remarkable!!!!
ALL HRs are measured today using many modern technologies. If for example a ball hits the upper deck, they can give a very accurate prediction of how far it could have gone. MANTLE is STILL KING!!!
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