SC Cop drags student across the floor in class room

[Tom Paris]

If someone is choking you then flailing about and trying to get them stop is always justified. Cops don't get to be exempt. If they are doing wrong then they deserve the same treatment as anyone else. If I saw a cop doing that to my kids he would spend that night in the hospital.

LOL! No. You would. Like other posters have pointed out, all the girl had to do was put away a phone. She knows right from wrong. She isn't 2. She chose poorly and created this whole controversy. Just because she refused to follow a simple direction.

 

[artradley]

So when she's told to leave by the staff, and d


I never said she hit him first. And I certainly never claimed she provoked the attack. Are you in the habit of putting words in people's mouths?

I imagine when he grabbed her, she began flailing and hit him in the neck (intentional or not, we don't know). I'd also imagine he felt the blow (light or heavy, who knows) to his neck and he escalated the force.

I'm not defending the cops actions, and I haven't said anything to give you that idea. I just said she hit him. So "Dickless Tracy", go peddle you're talent less detective skills elsewhere.

Pepsicock said she hit him first. I was carrying on discussions based on that premise. I was watching her action up until he grabbed her, and I didn't see her hit him. Frankly, while I can see an arm flailing I don't even definitively see her hit him after he grabbed her; but that doesn't matter too much in dealing with the question of whether or not he was justified; which I have assumed is the primary point of discussion here.

 

[moral_victory]

She knows right from wrong

The sheriff does too, but that doesn't stop him from over escalating. People count on or at worst hope the law enforcement behave professionally.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

You do exactly what the Myno suggested. The first time the student disobeys, you quietly go back to teaching, and at the end of the day/period, you let every child know that the student is suspended.

I'm only like 5% against what the teacher/administrator did. I'm like 90% upset with what the cop did. And I'm 5% upset that our society is so screwed that people who are paid to educate our children (read: you) are OK with an LEO doing this.

what MYNO suggested is stupid. Besides it would be frowned upon to talk about another students punishment (mom and dad could probably get the teacher written up for this). To think that would solve discipline problems is a joke.
You've had a hard on for LEO's and anyone in authority. We get it everyone should get to do what they want, when they want.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Because that's how the world works?

Isn't that what Tradition is arguing with me? Sometimes you have to deal with adversity. I sat through a meeting this summer while a 5th year associate chewed potato chips with her mouth open, texted on her personal cell phone, and "ahhhed" after every drink of her diet pepsi. No LEO was there to escort her out of the meeting...

Again, if this student was on her cell phone, or chewing gum, those are 2 things that can pretty easily be ignored and it's no distraction.


You know what is a distraction? Having a cop drag her out of school, and the national news at their school for the next few weeks.

Great job by the piggie. Really kept that learning environment in tact!

This is why you have 0 credibility.

 

[fredjr82]

This is why you have 0 credibility.

Guess we found one of the cops on the board. Hows your day going, officer? Slam any minors into the floor for disobeying your orders?

 

[Jan Itor]

Pepsicock said she hit him first. I was carrying on discussions based on that premise. I was watching her action up until he grabbed her, and I didn't see her hit him. Frankly, while I can see an arm flailing I don't even definitively see her hit him after he grabbed her; but that doesn't matter too much in dealing with the question of whether or not he was justified; which I have assumed is the primary point of discussion here.

And I was responding to KitingHigh saying he didn't see her hit him. So I wasn't following your conversation.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Step one in a situation that has escalated to that point is to clear the room. You deprive the student of an audience which immediately lowers the tension and you eliminate any possibility of a video. The administrator screwed this up worse than the SRO.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Victimize? You just make up whatever you feel like? There wasn't even a disruption until the officer showed up. The kids had no idea what it was about at the time.

You defend violence against peaceful teenage girls. wtf is wrong with you?

Holy hell did you read the description of the event? There is no way you ever taught anything if you think that went down that quickly and it was only a disruption when the leo came. It is a disruption the second the teacher has to deal with it.

 

[Jan Itor]

Step one in a situation that has escalated to that point is to clear the room. You deprive the student of an audience which immediately lowers the tension and you eliminate any possibility of a video. The administrator screwed this up worse than the SRO.

This.

 

[Jan Itor]

Holy hell did you read the description of the event? There is no way you ever taught anything if you think that went down that quickly and it was only a disruption when the leo came. It is a disruption the second the teacher has to deal with it.

5446's head is up his/her ass.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Cell phone use in my wife's class is banned period unless part of a lesson. She sends out class rules acknowledgement forms to parents at beginning of the year. She just confiscates them & locks him in her desk. If they want them back the student has to get the parent to retrieve them. She teaches ESL 12-16 year olds in inner city Milwaukee. My feelings is it was handled poorly. I'm guessing this has probably been an issue with this girl for awhile. And the teacher gave her far too much leeway. Kids sense weakness & will exploit it.
But the cop I bet has a history of being heavy handed as well. He has that meat head look to him. Bet he posts on Facebook about his bench press & dead lift bests.

What your wife is doing is not legal. Not in any state and no matter if it is part of you "class" rules.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

What your wife is doing is not legal. Not in any state and no matter if it is part of you "class" rules.

That would be incorrect. The use of cell phones in class can most certainly be banned. Cell phones can be confiscated.

 

[The Tradition]

What your wife is doing is not legal. Not in any state and no matter if it is part of you "class" rules.

WHAT? Teachers confiscate stuff all the time. Good lord, people have lost their freaking minds.

 

[tumorboy]

What your wife is doing is not legal. Not in any state and no matter if it is part of you "class" rules.

Talked to her today says she no longer does that. They are not allowed at MPS since 2007. Safety concerns.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29340354.html

 

[The Tradition]

Talked to her today says she no longer does that. They are not allowed at MPS since 2007. Safety concerns.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/29340354.html

LOL @ "safety concerns"...

So students are calling outsiders to come to school and settle scores, and the school's response is to ban cell phones? How about banning "outsiders"?

 

[Pepperman]

Guess we found one of the cops on the board. Hows your day going, officer? Slam any minors into the floor for disobeying your orders?

Um, guess how much credibility you have?

 

[tumorboy]

LOL @ "safety concerns"...

So students are calling outsiders to come to school and settle scores, and the school's response is to ban cell phones? How about banning "outsiders"?

Yeah I'm sure they never thought of that. How do you keep them out when they are gang members & show up in groups

 

[5446myno]

Holy hell did you read the description of the event? There is no way you ever taught anything if you think that went down that quickly and it was only a disruption when the leo came. It is a disruption the second the teacher has to deal with it.

I've read the accounts from many kids in the room, and they're quite consistent.

 

[The Tradition]

Yeah I'm sure they never thought of that. How do you keep them out when they are gang members & show up in groups

You call the big bad School Resource Officer.

What? We fired him? Drat.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

LOL @ "safety concerns"...

So students are calling outsiders to come to school and settle scores, and the school's response is to ban cell phones? How about banning "outsiders"?

And how do you propose that works? Have a check-in desk in the parking lot?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

That would be incorrect. The use of cell phones in class can most certainly be banned. Cell phones can be confiscated.

You can certainly ban them in class. But you can never keep a student's private property. You may confiscate it and turn it in to the office but a teacher does not get to set terms for keeping a students belongings.

 

[Pepperman]

LOL @ "safety concerns"...

A lot of bullying and mob activity gets organized with social media. That is in fact a safety concern.

This all goes back to parenting, as do most subjects on this site. Some who don't favor any responsibility of kids/parents line up on one side, and most of the rest of us line up on the other (correct) side.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

You can certainly ban them in class. But you can never keep a student's private property. You may confiscate it and turn it in to the office but a teacher does not get to set terms for keeping a students belongings.

A teacher can most certainly require that a parent show up to pick up the parent's property. And that's what a cell phone is.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

WHAT? Teachers confiscate stuff all the time. Good lord, people have lost their freaking minds.

Not a $500 phone. Quite different than a rubber ball or rubber bands. Also if that child is a latch key kid and that is there source of a phone. Your ass would be on the line if something happened to them after school because you kept their phone. That is why you turn it in to the office. You never keep belongings especially one that has personal info on it as well.

Look I agree with most of you posts in this thread, I'm just pointing out what you can't do.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

A teacher can most certainly require that a parent show up to pick up the parent's property. And that's what a cell phone is.

That is on your administrative team, not you. Kind of like as a teacher you don't get to suspend a kid, that's on the administration as well. Any administrator that is allowing you to keep a phone is putting you in a bad situation.

 

[The Tradition]

I tell you what... I was treated a helluva lot worse that this kid when I went to school. Now they can't even confiscate contraband? Since when did students get all these rights? I had zero rights when I went to school.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

I tell you what... I was treated a helluva lot worse that this kid when I went to school. Now they can't even confiscate contraband? Since when did students get all these rights? I had zero rights when I went to school.

I'm not saying you can't take it, you can. I just can't keep it until i see fit. It must be turned in to the administration (for reasons I put in another post). You must have a board policy in place on what the admin team will do with them. There must be rules in place that your entire school follows. Which is why anything you take from a kid must be turned over to the administration to deal with.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Not a $500 phone. Quite different than a rubber ball or rubber bands. Also if that child is a latch key kid and that is there source of a phone. Your ass would be on the line if something happened to them after school because you kept their phone. That is why you turn it in to the office. You never keep belongings especially one that has personal info on it as well.

Look I agree with most of you posts in this thread, I'm just pointing out what you can't do.

Then the parent calls and says "Give my child the phone". I wouldn't keep a cell phone in my classroom past the end of class anyway (our first offense response) but it's not illegal to require parent contact before returning it though the school board can prohibit it. His wife would have to accept liability for the phone and that's a burden she shouldn't take on.

 

[herkyhawk00]

Good thing this Principal wasn't aggressive.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/...t-slams-principal-ground-during-intense-brawl

 

[tumorboy]

Then the parent calls and says "Give my child the phone". I wouldn't keep a cell phone in my classroom past the end of class anyway (our first offense response) but it's not illegal to require parent contact before returning it though the school board can prohibit it. His wife would have to accept liability for the phone and that's a burden she shouldn't take on.

This was pre 2007. Before smart phone proliferation. So I doubt we're talking about any big ticket items here. Maybe 100 bucks.

 

[Vroom_C14]

So he got fired from his job.

Here is the headline from it - This week's physical assault and removal of an African-American female student from a Columbia, South Carolina, classroom by a school police officer is the latest in a growing number of incidents involving aggressive tactics, unnecessary charging, and excessive use of force by school police against students of color.

My question, why does it seem that "color" plays a role in nearly everything. Is there an issue at heart with how those of "color" act, respect authority or lack there of? Parents need to reign their kids in, respect is earned - not given.

i wonder if this had been a "white" student if it would have even been on the news?

 

[Vroom_C14]

Good thing this Principal wasn't aggressive.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/...t-slams-principal-ground-during-intense-brawl

Already posted this - was asked how I could even compare the two...

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Already posted this - was asked how I could even compare the two...

You can't. Completely different situations.

 

[The Tradition]

You can't. Completely different situations.

That's seriously the wrong answer. This is WHY the cop acted so aggressively. If you play around while arresting someone, you're the one who is likely to get body slammed.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

That's seriously the wrong answer. This is WHY the cop acted so aggressively. If you play around while arresting someone, you're the one who is likely to get body slammed.

The SRO shouldn't have even been involved in the cell phone incident. At all.

 

[Tom Paris]

The sheriff does too, but that doesn't stop him from over escalating. People count on or at worst hope the law enforcement behave professionally.

I thought what he did was perfectly fine, so I don't see your point. The only person who escalated anything was the girl. What the kids learned that day was they are allowed to do anything they want in school and nobody can touch them...literally or figuratively. The decision to fire that officer made the adults' jobs more difficult in that school.

 

[The Tradition]

The SRO shouldn't have even been involved in the cell phone incident. At all.

So, she should have been allowed to sit there and disobey the teacher until she got tired of playing games and left on her own.

Brilliant.

 

[Vroom_C14]

This is the problem -

As long as students of color are profiled, criminalized and pushed out of school, we will continue to be bombarded with reports of "disturbing" incidents. All of us will bear the brunt of the consequences of allowing these horrific interactions to continue. Students are affected by lost instruction time, poor educational outcomes and decreased employment opportunities, and families are shattered by more incarceration.

I have asked teachers from 4 different schools thus far (metro schools and small town) and when asked "which students create the most trouble" - THE #1 answer was "kids of color".

I asked students from same schools (even <gasp> a kid of "color") and they all said ..... the same thing as the teachers.

Same goes for College (I have asked a D1 athlete, a CC student and another D1 student from an out-of-state school) - I see a trend.

Is it they are all being profiled or that they have a problem that needs addressed within their family\culture\neighborhood\etc? It is a lot easier to point the finger at everyone (except the person in the mirror). I would like to see some famous "color" stand up and start making a point to their own kind about how they are supposed to act if they want to be seen in a better light.

Have at it...

 

[tarheelbybirth]

So, she should have been allowed to sit there and disobey the teacher until she got tired of playing games and left on her own.

Brilliant.

LOL...Admin comes in. Dismisses the class to another room. Pulls a desk to face the student. Says, "You may now sit here as long as you wish. Your parent/guardian has been called and is on the way. When he/she gets here, we'll talk about how long your suspension will last."

Now you can come up with a thousand reasons why that wouldn't work and I can shoot every one of them down. That's how it's done correctly.

Oh...btw...no video on the news.