Of course you doubt it. I have read Republicans on this site who sound okay with it. Because party first.Well...they'd never win another election so I doubt that's the plan.
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Of course you doubt it. I have read Republicans on this site who sound okay with it. Because party first.Well...they'd never win another election so I doubt that's the plan.
Then why do they suggest it? Enlighten me. Why is it part of Scott’s 12 point plan? Why does Ronna McDaniel endorse it? She’s the head of the RNC, in case you accidentally missed it, being bright and all.The Republicans know this but the usual dummies on HROT aren’t effing bright enough to understand.
Not on those 2 things....Never underestimate their ability to get their base to vote against their own interests.
Unfortunately, that thinking doesn’t seem to hold true anymore. I think a true MAGA politician could suggest something like what Johnson is proposing (or even flat out ending the program) and the MAGA base will still vote for them in the general election because they believe the alternative candidate is a baby-eating communist.Well...they'd never win another election so I doubt that's the plan.
Roe and Social Security aren't even comparable.And Roe will never be overturned....
@goldmom @binsfeldcyhawk2Again...and this cannot be overstated...Republicans have always opposed the idea of Social Security and MediCare! Ever since their beginnings! Republicans have always claimed “the private sector can do it cheaper, better, and more efficiently” than the government, although they have never offered a program as evidence or proof!
Somewhere in the archives their is a great FDR speech where he is mocking the Republicans with his “we can do it better” quote.
One thing about FDR.....for the vast majority of his political career...he did own the Republicans.
Refer to my earlier remark...🤪Roe and Social Security aren't even comparable.
Yet these people will still vote for the people who continually rip them off. Hence, the wealth gap continues to widen.Guessing the number of people that want to collect social security someday (after paying in since teenagers) dwarfs the number of people concerned about getting an abortion.
Yeah 50 years of work isn’t enough. We can squeeze another 5 years out before they croakIncome gap is obvious and in my view inevitable. Raise the retirement age.
The Boomers are not retiring at 65 anymore...we’re living longer...
Nobody wants to get rid of Social Security JFC....Of course you doubt it. I have read Republicans on this site who sound okay with it. Because party first.
Johnson isn’t recommending ending either program...Unfortunately, that thinking doesn’t seem to hold true anymore. I think a true MAGA politician could suggest something like what Johnson is proposing (or even flat out ending the program) and the MAGA base will still vote for them in the general election because they believe the alternative candidate is a baby-eating communist.
This might be a tougher mountain to climb for senators in even remotely purple states but it’s a cakewalk for GQP representatives (due to gerrymandering) and even some senators in overwhelmingly conservative states.
The highly negative correlation between educational attainment and support for conservatives is no coincidence.
I have read posts on HROT from younger people who would prefer they could invest their own money instead of paying SS taxes. There are people who would welcome the end of Social Security.Not on those 2 things....
"I HATE SOCIALISM!!!! Leave my Social Security alone!!!"
Good one from the Tea Party days...
Because one affects you?Roe and Social Security aren't even comparable.
You were one of the people that said it would never be overturned and that people who made a big deal about it were stupid. Here you are again showing your ass. As usual.Refer to my earlier remark...🤪
Maybe he’s just raising it in conversation to give things a kickstart. Dems and their journoboys love to raise the specter of granny pushed off the cliff in her wheelchair because it never fails to cause terror in the old, vulnerable, dependent, and the stupid, and is a certain marker of desperation when they’re behind.Johnson is recommending ending either program...
He thinks making it discretionary will force congress to address the issues with both...I think he's wrong and politically stupid.
Yeah, in the same way that SCOTUS's catholic fascists don't want to end abortion, only give states the "choice" to take rights from women in as many states as possible.Johnson is recommending ending either program...
He thinks making it discretionary will force congress to address the issues with both...I think he's wrong and politically stupid.
I have read posts on HROT from younger people who would prefer they could invest their own money instead of paying SS taxes. There are people who would welcome the end of Social Security.
Yeah, in the same way that SCOTUS's catholic fascists don't want to end abortion, only give states the "choice" to take rights from women in as many states as possible.
True….but the voting block (old people) that turns out consistently don’t want that. Sure fire way to lose an electionI have read posts on HROT from younger people who would prefer they could invest their own money instead of paying SS taxes. There are people who would welcome the end of Social Security.
Because doing away with Roe only loses you an election in certain areas that you probably don’t win anyway.Because one affects you?
Everything you wrote is nonsense.Because doing away with Roe only loses you an election in certain areas that you probably don’t win anyway.
Getting rid of social security loses you elections everywhere.
Even Johnson’s comments don’t come near to saying he wants to get rid of it…it’s a red herring.
R’s we’re pretty open about their ambitions to get rid of Roe.
Hence….not comparable. Unless you’re into false equivalencies
Guessing the number of people that want to collect social security someday (after paying in since teenagers) dwarfs the number of people concerned about getting an abortion.
You weren’t paying attention very well.Everything you wrote is nonsense.
The R's lied for years about Roe.
And read in that same link how they were talking about killing off social security for everyone except those already getting it.You weren’t paying attention very well.
“Sanctity and Dignity of Human life”section
2012 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project
www.presidency.ucsb.edu
I see reforming it not killing it. Personal investment accounts as a supplement to social security isn’t “killing it off”.And read in that same link how they were talking about killing off social security for everyone except those already getting it.
And there was no outright call for a ban on all abortion.I see reforming it not killing it. Personal investment accounts as a supplement to social security isn’t “killing it off”.
Right…..And there was no outright call for a ban on all abortion.
So..as I said. It's the same. Thank you for proving my point so well.
That would work out well…..I am sure most would be responsible and do that with the money…lol. Would be a huge economic drag as there are far too many that would not do that. Then we would be paying for everything for them when they are old(housing, food, medical care).I have read posts on HROT from younger people who would prefer they could invest their own money instead of paying SS taxes. There are people who would welcome the end of Social Security.
Head in sand as usual. It’s part of the plan!!! They want to do this. If they achieve what they are attempting- only Republicans can win some swing state elections- they won’t be worried about voters. It’s like you pay attention to nothing some of us are telling you. You don’t even pay attention to what Republicans are telling you if it doesn’t fit inside your safe little box you’ve created for yourself.Nobody wants to get rid of Social Security JFC....
Even if they wanted to it's political suicide...
Johnson actually makes a decent point making it discretionary....you actually have to address problems in the system. Won't work because congress can't address anything, so a dumb idea...As is it's on track to be insolvent by 2033....
Medicare 2028
A Two-Year Reprieve For Medicare Insolvency Sounds Like Good News. But It Isn’t
The Medicare trustees’ new estimate that the program’s Part A Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust fund will remain solvent for an extra two years—to 2028—sounds like good news. But before you break out the champagne, keep a few things in mind:www.forbes.com
We'll just kick it down the road and address the problem in 2027 or so...
Bring up anything on social security/medicare and folks freak the F out...which is why nothing gets done.
We have an aging population...the problems ain't going away.
Pathetic and very wrong take. Almost Republican projection.Maybe he’s just raising it in conversation to give things a kickstart. Dems and their journoboys love to raise the specter of granny pushed off the cliff in her wheelchair because it never fails to cause terror in the old, vulnerable, dependent, and the stupid, and is a certain marker of desperation when they’re behind.
No. He was spot on. That wasn’t bigotry either. The religious bigotry comes from the crazy evangelical right. They’re the ones pushing beliefs on others. The SC is their tool.You’re stupid, tiresome, and a religious bigot.
Exactly. Then move onto the next thing we’re “imagining”.Everything you wrote is nonsense.
The R's lied for years about Roe. All their politicians pretended like it was settled law while working behind the scenes to overturn it. Meanwhile you all called us crazy for sounding the alarm.
Same with SS - pretend like it is some third rail while work has gone on for decades to kill it. Then you'll act all surprised pikachu when they manage to kill it. Somehow blame democrats.
It’s definitely a gamble, although there are quite a few here on HROT who dislike all things Boomer. He could pick up a few votes-you never know.Barnes should stamp the ready made bumper sticker Johnson suggestion on Ron's forehead from today til November.
Johnson can lose this race with this self-sabotage.
😆I see reforming it not killing it. Personal investment accounts as a supplement to social security isn’t “killing it off”.
That would work out well…..I am sure most would be responsible and do that with the money…lol. Would be a huge economic drag as there are far too many that would not do that. Then we would be paying for everything for them when they are old(housing, food, medical care).
All they have to do, is tell folks that the Dems are going to indoctrinate their hillbilly public-school educated child with CRT, and they'll giddily vote against their own SS/Medicare issues.Roe and Social Security aren't even comparable.
I see reforming it not killing it. Personal investment accounts as a supplement to social security isn’t “killing it off”.