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Thank you!
"There are a lot of problems that have to be fixed."
It is commendable that you are able to admit that you misspoke.
So who won the debate?
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"There are a lot of problems that have to be fixed."
It is commendable that you are able to admit that you misspoke.
If Fox is saying this, they simply couldn't spin it because Harris destroyed Trump in the debate, not that I need the confirmation but it seems Hawk 82 does.
No question about it, Kamala took Trump to the woodshed last night. She hung a little bait out there and Trump went berserk - i.e., her description of his rallies with his inflated crowd sizes and his nonsensical gibberish about Hannibal Lector and his nutty "wind mills causing cancer" shtick. Also she verbally punished him for his stance on abortion and his response to the war in Ukraine. She cleverly stated that if Trump were still president Putin would be sitting in Kiev today. Trump's refusal to say he wanted Ukraine to win the war added credence to the fact that he's still a Putin suck-up. And kudos to the moderators for acknowledging to Trump that he recently admitted that he did in fact lose the 2020 election. The implication here of course is that he pushed the Big Lie to everyone including his gullible base and sadly they believed him.
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Nope.
They acknowledge there are problems and have worked in a bipartisan manner to have it addressed only to have that legislation nixed because of Trump.
Again, here is Harris in 2021 going to Texas (after going to Central America) to work on solutions:
In first trip to U.S.-Mexico border as vice president, Kamala Harris focuses on causes of immigration
Harris toured Border Patrol facilities in El Paso and met with local groups that aid migrants, but Republicans continued to attack her for not visiting the Rio Grande Valley, where a large number of border apprehensions are happening.
www.texastribune.org
Glossed right over the "we have a secure border" part I see....
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Our border crossings are secured by gates and law enforcment personnel. I don't believe anyone has suggested it is an impermeable and perfect border - which, again, is WHY Harris and Biden have both committed to improving border security.
In the quote you shared, it is clear to anyone without an agenda that she is pushing back at the ridiculous "open borders" rhetoric (as we do NOT and SHOULD NOT have "open" borders) and is interested in finding long-term solutions.
Saying "we have a secure border" implies that the work is done,.. Claiming interest in something that you have no interest in is quite simply lying...
To who? That seems like quite the assumption.
A border that is just as secure as it was when Trump was president.
And we do not have an open border policy. That is nonsense.
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OK if she was implying the work was done, why in the hell would the very next words out of her mouth be: "There are a lot of problems that have to be fixed." ?
Obviously there are problems in the area of immigration that go well beyond border security,.. You understand that.
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OK, pop quiz time for you, who said these quotes:
"Do not come. Do not come. The United States will continue to enforce our laws and secure our borders," XXXX said in a speech from Guatemala. "If you come to our border, you will be turned back."
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“We know our immigration system is broken and we know what it takes to fix it: comprehensive reform. That includes strong border security and an earned pathway to citizenship,”
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"Last October, as part of our national security supplemental request, we asked for $14 billion for border security, which would increase personnel and technology to secure the border and provide assistance to cities to manage the influx of migrants."
They specifically asked him how he was going to pull this off. I was genuinely excited to hear the details of his plan. Of course, he didn’t answer the question and instead veered off into his illegal immigrant greatest hits.
I wish the moderators would have pushed harder for an actual answer.
Nothing but talk, talk and more talk,.. When they are telling you what they want to do, watch what they are actually doing,... Magicians must mystify you...
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JFC man, you move the goalposts so fast it's hard to keep up.
The thing we are debating is this claim of yours: "Not the past 3.5 years,.. per Kamala"
So your contention was Kamala Harris denied there was an issue with border security or immigration.
I dug up SEVERAL instances where, in fact, she said exactly the opposite.
Now you've moved the goalposts to "well, sure, maybe she SAID IT, but she didn't DO anything" (which is also a lie, see her visit to Central America and support for the recently killed-at-Trump's request immigration bill)
In general, I respect your takes as a poster compared to many conservatives, but for f---ks sake, if you won't even engage in debate in a good faith fashion, why should anyone engage with you at all?
Like I said go ahead and complain about her solutions being wrong or misguided. Criticize her for being late to the party on the border security issue (that's actually a fair critique!)
Just. Quit. Lying.
I didn't know she went back to the darkside. I guess I'm not surprised. It's an easy way to grift the masses of MAGA.
Is he really that stupid or just thinks his audience is?
...and what the Biden administration had to recover from. Many MAGA supporters on this platform continue to blame Biden and Harris for inflation, despite the fact that their administration managed inflation more effectively than most other developed nations. It’s worth considering that logic should be applied consistently—not just when it supports your particular narrative.
Who said there were no issues with immigration? Can you post a link to that?
And yet prior to this magic legislation how many times did Joe and cackles say "the border is secure"Nope.
They acknowledge there are problems and have worked in a bipartisan manner to have it addressed only to have that legislation nixed because of Trump.
Again, here is Harris in 2021 going to Texas (after going to Central America) to work on solutions:
In first trip to U.S.-Mexico border as vice president, Kamala Harris focuses on causes of immigration
Harris toured Border Patrol facilities in El Paso and met with local groups that aid migrants, but Republicans continued to attack her for not visiting the Rio Grande Valley, where a large number of border apprehensions are happening.
Didn't they sue the state of Texas for actually trying to secure the border?
Agreed. If Harris/Biden stop taking credit for bounce back jobs, and stop falsely claiming inflation was higher than 1.7% when they took office, then we will acknowledge they handled the pandemic better than most other nations deal?
You’re an idiot or a troll. If you truly believe what you posted, you’re the former. I suspect that’s the case.
That’s actually not an opinion.
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By the way Rifler, one should always be aware of who agrees with your takes. You have @KFsdisciple on your side.
Make of that what you will.
Make of that what you will.
Granted. Are you ready to admit that inflation was also global and the US handled it better than almost every other industrialized country? I can’t imagine you will reply on point to this so I’ll take your silence as a surrender.
I've agreed with you from time to time... it's rare but even you have been capable of a rational thought before.By the way Rifler, one should always be aware of who agrees with your takes. You have @KFsdisciple on your side.
Make of that what you will.
However, often times one objectively did win and won objectively did lose. You seem to be suggesting nobody ever wins because the loser will always claim victory.
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And you used to be a lot less conspiracy minded and easily duped. Maybe you'll bounce back after the election.
Kamala won, but he did not make Biden's performance look great.
Didnt say I disagreed that she won.
He stayed in the game.
Any reasonable observer noted the male mod bailed her out and she won 17 to zero over ISU East.
It only seems that way because we expected Biden to sound rational, we never expect that of Trump.
The sanewashing of Trump is finally getting some serious pushback and it’s about f’n time.
As a moderate I would say this was a toss up. Kamala did the smart thing by trying to get Trump angry with the crowd size and other comments, but I don't think she did anything to help herself. She kept saying she had a plan. But all she mentioned of that plan was the $6K child tax credits. We haven't heard any of her plans since she was placed on the ticket. That's why I think she took a step back on some of the issues (Border control, economy). She did seem well prepared and well spoken though which was good to see from a possible future president.
Trump said some stupid things about Haitian's eating pets and crowd sizes but I still think he got his point across that the main things to be concerned about are the economy and the border. Those are my two biggest points so I feel like he did well.
At the end of the day it's embarrassing that these are our choices. Both teams lied and both teams placed blame on the other person. Tell us how you're going to fix things! Stop with the blame game!
Trump said some stupid things about Haitian's eating pets and crowd sizes but I still think he got his point across that the main things to be concerned about are the economy and the border. Those are my two biggest points so I feel like he did well.
At the end of the day it's embarrassing that these are our choices. Both teams lied and both teams placed blame on the other person. Tell us how you're going to fix things! Stop with the blame game!
You mean...a 'concept of a plan'? Forget it, too easy.
Immigration and the economy? You mean the thing Trump tanked to help his campaign and the thing Biden has been repairing?
The agreement - in the fine print - (devil is always in the details and all that) would have allowed up to 5,000 illegals PER DAY to cross before the border was shut. That’s about 1.8 million more per year.
At that rate why bother?
lol…”he stayed in the game” because 40+% of American voters don’t give a fvck what he says or does. Any “reasonable observer” watching that performance would call him a pathological liar at best and, at worst, totally deranged.
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