A grey shirt if he does not wrestle for the team this year but if he does wrestle then obviously he uses one of his 4 years.
Teasdale now back?
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A grey shirt if he does not wrestle for the team this year but if he does wrestle then obviously he uses one of his 4 years.
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It was never put out there publicly when he actually withdrew from classes if he gets a waiver it's because he withdrew before the deadline which means this semester is null and void and his redshirt will reset like it never happened only because he hasn't wrestled it's a health issue and that warrants a waiver in some cases. If that's the case he withdrew long before he posted that he was leaving and was just letting people know then .
I’m interested in knowing what his scholarship situation looks like now. When he withdrew from school did he give up his scholarship since he wasn’t apart of the team anymore? If he did, does he get the whole thing back, only part of it, or none?
When he withdrew doesn't actually matter. A academic waiver can be used if you withdraw for health reasons.Its called a progress towards degree waiver my guess is that's the route they're going.
Correct. Well, technically there is a deadline, but in our case it was the last day of regularly scheduled classes (before finals) to submit the paperwork. I imagine it's similar at PSU, Iowa, everywhere. The two week add/drop, mid-semester WF deadlines that have been cited by various posters in this topic are not relevant. Different thing altogether.
Agree you seem to know the waiver situation quite well.I have read many posts and most dont have a clue what they're talking about.In the past I would've corrected them all but it's a tough crowd and then your a know it all.Hope all is well with your son will he be 133 2nd semester
The Kemdawg injury wrapped up the team title so don't expect Carl to use Gavin. He is a back up plan in case a couple starters get hurt. It is clear he doesn't care whats best for his athletes. I would like to know why the pen state posters allowed to break forum rules by calling out Vodka in multiple posts? That wouldn't be allowed on their site.
Thanks for the well wishes, hopeful to get him back healthy soon. It's been a very frustrating month or two, just when he was really getting going. (technically not my son, but have been with his mother since he was in middle school and I consider him as much my family as my other 3, as well as his sister - just need to put that as he has a father who supports him as well)
Not really as worried about the wrestling side as much as it hurts that he misses the credits for this semester. I know he will always be fine with the wrestling thingy, but got to keep him moving towards that degree! Yes, he will be 133 for the foreseeable future. He keeps telling me 141 every year, and I keep telling him he's a weight class and a half short. Looks like I was right - again.
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Yes get that degree and agree he's a 133 all dayThanks for the well wishes, hopeful to get him back healthy soon. It's been a very frustrating month or two, just when he was really getting going. (technically not my son, but have been with his mother since he was in middle school and I consider him as much my family as my other 3, as well as his sister - just need to put that as he has a father who supports him as well)
Not really as worried about the wrestling side as much as it hurts that he misses the credits for this semester. I know he will always be fine with the wrestling thingy, but got to keep him moving towards that degree! Yes, he will be 133 for the foreseeable future. He keeps telling me 141 every year, and I keep telling him he's a weight class and a half short. Looks like I was right - again.
I agree with this, forgive my hyperbole.
I guess I was referring to what Iowa or PSU would consider average. Dziewa was a good, solid wrestler and he was in the starting lineup regularly for Iowa as a JR and SR and would have been a 4 year starter almost everywhere else, including Rutgers where he Verbal'd early on, so that's pretty damn good. I was there at Big10s in Columbus on one of those occasions when he fully met his potential on the mat that gave us a share of the championship.
I was talking more about his HS ranking translating to College. He was a top recruit in 2010, number 12 to 16 overall and #4 at 141, depending on who is ranking it. When Iowa gets a kid ranked that high, one might expect a few finals appearances or at least a few semi bouts, but his #4 in HS resulted in little more than average results for a Hawkeye, which I admit is a pretty high standard.
Without looking it up, this has to be pretty close to where GT was ranked, so it should surprise no one if Gavin is a 1 or 2 time AA at best. I think he may do a little better than that, but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up a 3 year round of 12 type guy.
Because my life is more fulfilled when I get a chance to argue semantics with MSU, we could debate your statement that - An "average" college wrestler MAYBE makes it to a .500. I might take a position that an average college wrestler makes it to exactly .500, but that would be average as a result not average compared to a field. I think you would take me to task on this since my math skills are weak right now, so I withdraw that supposition.
We call out our craziest poster - psu rings - all the time. I even called him a sociopath - because he is. I was not put in the sin bin there. So not entirely true.
(Not calling Vodka crazy, just responding to the forum rules argument)
We probably need to care less about what PSU does and care more about what our team is doing. Just MHO. Sometimes people on this sight bitch about the pettiest shit. Who cares what Teasdale does? What we really should care about is how is PSU getting most of the studs and beating everybody's ass the last 7-8 years. If we fix that problem, we won't care about all this other BS.
Wow...You want to give the kid Credit for asking for help but when he was flunking all his classes why didn't he ask for help. Oh, you have to go to class first and then ask for help. If he wasn't a top wrestler PS would not allow him back in.....But Cael is a higher pay grade than the president of the school...
Hoy, you come off sounding petty and bitter when you say coaches don't care what is best for their athletes. Coaches spend more time with these kids then the kids do with their actual family. These guys are competitive and want to win but If you think for a second that any of these coaches don't love and care about their athletes you are nuts. I get you don't like PSU or Cael but you lose all credibility with statements like that.
Never needed a hand up after stumbling, or it sounds like never stumbled. Good for you.
Of course I believe you like most have had some kind of assistance along the way by someone. Maybe you just aren't capable of getting it.
You probably need to give Cael a call and either ask or maybe demand an answer.
Not sure what Kemerer's injury had to do with Teasdale or PSU's probable 2019 team championship.
Points at 125 aren't necessary for a PSU title and Iowa's loss of Kemerer's 3rd or 4th place points only means 3rd place is in doubt.
How do you say, " we probable should care less about what PSU does......" Then say, "What we should really care about is how PSU is getting all these studs" in the same paragraph???
If someone beats you on a Level Playing-field, so be it. Shake their hand and say well done! If however the playing field is tilted in ones favor due to "shady tactics", then I have a problem!
I do not believe for one minute that their program is operating within the same rules as everyone else!!!
In other words, based upon anything that you know as fact you choose to believe different. Thata boy.
I've never needed help controlling my drinking, avoiding physical altercations with police, or NOT sexually assaulting people. Long did, and Cael went ahead and took him in and let him wrestle right away. What a leader of men. I've lead a pretty damn good life and kept on the straight and narrow for the most part. Any problems I've had didn't require a hand up from anyone.
Or, when things do go awry, maybe I'm capable of identifying the problem and fixing it?
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NITWITkitten, Shut up fool!!! It has been well established that they are playing games with a 5 million dollar donation!! It was posted that they had something like 600K in "camp expenses!!!"
You can say all the stupid crap you like, but it does not change the facts! We also know the shady tactics used in the past and now you have this little gem where a kid had to leave school for health reasons and is back in 3 weeks!
Keep twisting it. It is from your coaches mouth!!!
NITWITkitten, Shut up fool!!! It has been well established that they are playing games with a 5 million dollar donation!! It was posted that they had something like 600K in "camp expenses!!!"
You can say all the stupid crap you like, but it does not change the facts! We also know the shady tactics used in the past and now you have this little gem where a kid had to leave school for health reasons and is back in 3 weeks!
Keep twisting it. It is from your coaches mouth!!!
It is nice of you to limit the area of consideration to what you haven't done to need a hand. However, most likely you have received a hand in some aspect of your life.
Anyhow. Long and Cael already knew each other (ie personal relationship) and Long was struggling so Cael offered a second chance with a stipulation "zero alcohol".
If that offends you, so be it.
Your contention is "heeeees cheeeeeaating".
You have nothing to support that accusation, yet despite lacking any proof you insist you know better. In other words, your belief system is more accurate than facts. Fool.
Some of these posters are idiotic, surprises me the good ones here don’t call them out more and police it? Why let a great site be ruined? Come on Chief, your followers here need you
Here's what is factual: You defined and defended those actions as needing a "hand up". Cael allowed him to join the lineup missing zero time, on the heels of being kicked out of ISU, which in turn allowed a woman to be sexually assaulted. Long had several chances prior to Cael and PSU. Cael gave Long like a 4th or 5th chance, all in the name of winning a title. You can speculate inaccurately all you want about me, I don't care...but at least acknowledge the fact that Cael sold his soul to win, and did absolutely no favors for Andrew Long.
Teasedale, for all intents and purposes is on his first collegiate "oops" or "infraction"." I have long subscribed to the idea that these young kids need to be held to a higher standard. Thus, I don't agree with, "what were you like as a 20 y/o kid?" Simply put, I wasn't getting money from an institution to compete. I got other non-academic scholarships from my university, that were very similar to academics, however, and knew that if I made certain mistakes or didn't meet standards, those dollars would go away.
That being said, arguing about Long, who made his own bed and burnt his own bridges. Is frankly a moot point. Teasedale, if he is as bad as some are assuming, or as good as some are saying, will make his as well. I'm hopeful he pulls it together and moves forward. How Cael is handling this may or may be what some of think is right, but if we seriously assume that the NCAA would allow a Big Ten school to operate outside of the rules, we are going off the rails a bit. We don't have to like it, but I'm assuming he's operating within guidelines. But what do I know.. I'm just some dude..
That being said, arguing about Long, who made his own bed and burnt his own bridges. Is frankly a moot point. Teasedale, if he is as bad as some are assuming, or as good as some are saying, will make his as well. I'm hopeful he pulls it together and moves forward. How Cael is handling this may or may be what some of think is right, but if we seriously assume that the NCAA would allow a Big Ten school to operate outside of the rules, we are going off the rails a bit. We don't have to like it, but I'm assuming he's operating within guidelines. But what do I know.. I'm just some dude..
Just food for thought... Tom Brands was going to offer another chance to PD3 last year. Does this make him less of a leader? No, these coaches are doing their best to help kids who might need help. That's what leaders do. Could it blow up in their face? Absolutely, but that's why these guys are leaders. They aren't afraid to go out on a limb and take that chance.
The difference is when helping a kid out Brands for the most part imposes additional restrictions for the kid to prove something before he is rewarded with being able to compete again. From what I see Cael is just fine with the bare minimum of whatever the school guidelines are.
Marion - Was eligible to compete way before being allowed to go on the mat again. Brands held him out for an additional period after reinstatement. Marion is know coaching and giving back.
Pd3- Brands took the kid in to help in without knowing 100% if he would ever be cleared. Say what you want but PD3 hasn't been in trouble since and seems to have grown from it as much as well PD3 could.
Long- Competed the exact minute he was eligible.
Teasdale- If its drugs I don't think anything has been resolved that fast. If its grades then let him get back in good standing and proves himself.
JRent- Kid is sitting out and getting his schoolwork in order during his redshirt. I respect that. But I don't see JRent going to midlands because he needs to get his priorities in a row first then he can be rewarded with mat time. Then why would Cael want to reward Gavin with letting him go to the Scuffle if his priorities arent quite in a row yet either? Drugs or schoolwork, nothing could possibly be proven on Jan 1st in either regards right?
Isn't that a fair question to ask?
Also I asked earlier why Cael seems to have a weakness in his coaching for mental health issues? He seems to not recognize it or give it its due. Is it a mental strength thing he doesnt get? Is it a Mormon thing? Being serious
Personally I don't' think I was ever a fan of bringing PD3 in. At the end of the day, we've seen enough both Tom and Cael's ethics to differentiate between the two.
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Agreed and I think Jay Robinson is a great example of this. He tried to handle a substance abuse problem in house and get them on the right track and prevent them from having criminal records related to the illegal use of drugs (xanax and adderall). It cost him his job, but in the grand scheme of things, he did what he thought was best for the student athletes.
(This isn't sarcasm either. I truly think Jay Robinson had the students' best interests in mind and in a sense took the fall for them. I can't fault him for that.)
We all know you are an idiot troll but if you are worse than that if you believe every decision Carl makes isn't based on what's best for him.
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