Teasdale now back?

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

JRent- Kid is sitting out and getting his schoolwork in order during his redshirt. I respect that. But I don't see JRent going to midlands because he needs to get his priorities in a row first then he can be rewarded with mat time.

It's good for JRent to be taking care of schoolwork first, but Midlands would be the perfect tournament for him to wrestle in if schoolwork was the hold up. It's in between semesters. I could understand if he's not in competition condition/readiness yet though if he hasn't been practicing regularly. No idea if he has or hasn't been.

 

[hoythawk]

Some of these posters are idiotic, surprises me the good ones here don’t call them out more and police it? Why let a great site be ruined? Come on Chief, your followers here need you

It's funny you mention that. I was thinking eventually a pen state poster would come here to reel you guys in because you make your fan base look terrible. I bet once Iowa gets back on top you won't get flooded with our fans. Won't matter anyways because your mods are as bad as your fans.

 

[rassling]

The difference is when helping a kid out Brands for the most part imposes additional restrictions for the kid to prove something before he is rewarded with being able to compete again. From what I see Cael is just fine with the bare minimum of whatever the school guidelines are.

Marion - Was eligible to compete way before being allowed to go on the mat again. Brands held him out for an additional period after reinstatement. Marion is know coaching and giving back.

Pd3- Brands took the kid in to help in without knowing 100% if he would ever be cleared. Say what you want but PD3 hasn't been in trouble since and seems to have grown from it as much as well PD3 could.

Long- Competed the exact minute he was eligible.

Teasdale- If its drugs I don't think anything has been resolved that fast. If its grades then let him get back in good standing and proves himself.

JRent- Kid is sitting out and getting his schoolwork in order during his redshirt. I respect that. But I don't see JRent going to midlands because he needs to get his priorities in a row first then he can be rewarded with mat time. Then why would Cael want to reward Gavin with letting him go to the Scuffle if his priorities arent quite in a row yet either? Drugs or schoolwork, nothing could possibly be proven on Jan 1st in either regards right?

Isn't that a fair question to ask?

Also I asked earlier why Cael seems to have a weakness in his coaching for mental health issues? He seems to not recognize it or give it its due. Is it a mental strength thing he doesnt get? Is it a Mormon thing? Being serious

Sure, those are fair questions to ask but the truth is we'll never know the facts. How do we know Cale didn't put stipulations out there for any of these guys? We have no clue why Teasdale was out and how long he was out for. Sam Stoll was suspended for 1 dual that they had no intentions of him wrestling in. Seems like a light punishment but who am I to judge? These coaches are doing whats best for the kids and their programs. It's easy for us to sit back and speculate and judge when we don't know the facts.

 

[2td3nf6fall]

The difference is when helping a kid out Brands for the most part imposes additional restrictions for the kid to prove something before he is rewarded with being able to compete again. From what I see Cael is just fine with the bare minimum of whatever the school guidelines are.

Marion - Was eligible to compete way before being allowed to go on the mat again. Brands held him out for an additional period after reinstatement. Marion is know coaching and giving back.

Pd3- Brands took the kid in to help in without knowing 100% if he would ever be cleared. Say what you want but PD3 hasn't been in trouble since and seems to have grown from it as much as well PD3 could.

Long- Competed the exact minute he was eligible.

Teasdale- If its drugs I don't think anything has been resolved that fast. If its grades then let him get back in good standing and proves himself.

JRent- Kid is sitting out and getting his schoolwork in order during his redshirt. I respect that. But I don't see JRent going to midlands because he needs to get his priorities in a row first then he can be rewarded with mat time. Then why would Cael want to reward Gavin with letting him go to the Scuffle if his priorities arent quite in a row yet either? Drugs or schoolwork, nothing could possibly be proven on Jan 1st in either regards right?

Isn't that a fair question to ask?

Also I asked earlier why Cael seems to have a weakness in his coaching for mental health issues? He seems to not recognize it or give it its due. Is it a mental strength thing he doesnt get? Is it a Mormon thing? Being serious

The Iowa team did not bring in PDIII to help him. He was given a chance because he was going to help Iowa win. If he was a .500 wrestler, Iowa would not take a chance with him. Logan Ryan missed zero meets after he got in trouble with Gross. Marion had been in trouble at least 5 other times before being permanently suspended. Sam Stoll was suspended for 1 meet but was hurt anyway. As soon as they needed him, they put him out on the mat. I don't blame Brands or Sanderson for their decisions. They have a lot of tough decisions to make and there is a lot of stuff behind the scenes that we never see, but Iowa lost their moral high ground when they brought in PDIII.

 

[hoythawk]

If Dayton Racer weighed 125, he would be starting for Cael in January. Everyone knows it but they look the other way just like the previous PSU scandal. PSU and OSU play by a different set of rules. JRent should go to Carl's doctor and get a waiver for last season.

 

[TailgateTom]

The Iowa team did not bring in PDIII to help him. He was given a chance because he was going to help Iowa win. If he was a .500 wrestler, Iowa would not take a chance with him. Logan Ryan missed zero meets after he got in trouble with Gross. Marion had been in trouble at least 5 other times before being permanently suspended. Sam Stoll was suspended for 1 meet but was hurt anyway. As soon as they needed him, they put him out on the mat. I don't blame Brands or Sanderson for their decisions. They have a lot of tough decisions to make and there is a lot of stuff behind the scenes that we never see, but Iowa lost their moral high ground when they brought in PDIII.

Try again

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegazette.com/subject/news/burglary-charges-filed-against-iowa-hawkeye-wrestlers-20150504?template=amphtml

 

[Mattski]

What it really boils down to is this - if Cael/psu allow a kid to wrestle competitively in the 2nd semester, when he did not complete classes and remain eligible in the first semester, then it only serves to further establish they are win at all costs scumbags. If they are simply welcoming him back with the understanding he is ineligible until getting thru a semester academically with eligibility, then good for them.

 

[ptdan]

Wow...You want to give the kid Credit for asking for help but when he was flunking all his classes why didn't he ask for help. Oh, you have to go to class first and then ask for help. If he wasn't a top wrestler PS would not allow him back in.....But Cael is a higher pay grade than the president of the school...

I was not commenting about Cael. Apparently you know the circumstances of Teasdale failing and not a "medical condition". Just commenting that any 18 yo who enters college and becomes overwhelmed for whatever reason should get some credit for asking for help.

 

[2td3nf6fall]

Try again

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thegazette.com/subject/news/burglary-charges-filed-against-iowa-hawkeye-wrestlers-20150504?template=amphtml

Yes, he was kicked off the team. He also was in the starting lineup 6 months later at Kinnick Stadium. His punishment was the opportunity to wrestle in front of the largest crowd in the history of college dual meets.

https://hawkeyesports.com/news/2015/11/14/Hawkeyes_Top_Cowboy_Inside_Kinnick_Stadium.aspx

 

[TailgateTom]

Yes, he was kicked off the team. He also was in the starting lineup 6 months later at Kinnick Stadium. His punishment was the opportunity to wrestle in front of the largest crowd in the history of college dual meets.

https://hawkeyesports.com/news/2015/11/14/Hawkeyes_Top_Cowboy_Inside_Kinnick_Stadium.aspx

All of those guys were given a specific set of criteria to meet before rejoining the team. Logan did that. Seth wanted to move on. Case closed.

 

[2td3nf6fall]

All of those guys were given a specific set of criteria to meet before rejoining the team. Logan did that. Seth wanted to move on. Case closed.

This was the first meet of the season. He did not miss any meets - that was my point.

 

[TailgateTom]

This was the first meet of the season. He did not miss any meets - that was my point.

My point was, he faced his consequences, did his time, and worked his way back. Apples and oranges argument compared to Long's situation.

 

[wasdt21]

Some of these posters are idiotic, surprises me the good ones here don’t call them out more and police it? Why let a great site be ruined? Come on Chief, your followers here need you

i do but you clowns keep coming back anyway

 

[dunkej01]

It's good for JRent to be taking care of schoolwork first, but Midlands would be the perfect tournament for him to wrestle in if schoolwork was the hold up. It's in between semesters. I could understand if he's not in competition condition/readiness yet though if he hasn't been practicing regularly. No idea if he has or hasn't been.

Agreed. its makes a ton of sense to let him go if the semester went well.

 

[Sportfan2017]

Wow...You want to give the kid Credit for asking for help but when he was flunking all his classes why didn't he ask for help. Oh, you have to go to class first and then ask for help. If he wasn't a top wrestler PS would not allow him back in.....But Cael is a higher pay grade than the president of the school...

I thought I heard this wasn't true

 

[danoftw]

Even if PSU was cheating and had the 7 titles since 2011 taken away the hawks still wouldn't get one of those titles. Only year you got 2nd was when Ohio st won it.3-3rds,3-4ths, and a 5th the years PSU won.So we know why you think Caels beating you,but what about the other teams, Are they just better than you or did they cheat somehow too?

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Yes, he was kicked off the team. He also was in the starting lineup 6 months later at Kinnick Stadium. His punishment was the opportunity to wrestle in front of the largest crowd in the history of college dual meets.

https://hawkeyesports.com/news/2015/11/14/Hawkeyes_Top_Cowboy_Inside_Kinnick_Stadium.aspx

And Logan was in good academic standing from the prior semester after 6 months with no signs of trouble.

Gavin appears to be in bad academic standing from the prior semester, rumored pill use (possibly selling) and its been 3 weeks.

One thing is not like the other.

For the record if JRent had a good fall semester academically then reward him with some meets or midlands. But that's likely Tom and the coaches making a point to a young man to not even put yourself in that position and there is always next year. This is a marathon not a sprint.

Now if Gavin rejoins the team second semester and Cael is working on establishing what I said above as a priority then by all means...I applaude Cael for reaching out.

But how in the world would immediately letting him go to the scuffle send any message considering the kid just completely muffed his first semester in college?

IMO if Teasdale competes this spring semester it looks pretty bad. Does any PSU fan agree with this?

Ill hang up and listen.

 

[Starburst_]

Even if PSU was cheating and had the 7 titles since 2011 taken away the hawks still wouldn't get one of those titles. Only year you got 2nd was when Ohio st won it.3-3rds,3-4ths, and a 5th the years PSU won.So we know why you think Caels beating you,but what about the other teams, Are they just better than you or did they cheat somehow too?

 

[Ihawkd9times]

Even if PSU was cheating and had the 7 titles since 2011 taken away the hawks still wouldn't get one of those titles. Only year you got 2nd was when Ohio st won it.3-3rds,3-4ths, and a 5th the years PSU won.So we know why you think Caels beating you,but what about the other teams, Are they just better than you or did they cheat somehow too?

Both.

Cael is out recruiting every coach around the country for top recruits and has for the most part shut the PA boarder down.

Cael also is being very courageous and operating very pro active within the NCAA guidelines. He also has the luxury of the NCAA not giving 2 cents about camp money, wrestling clubs and the use of social media to contact recruits outside the guidelines.

I do wish Tom Brands was more of a slick car salesman and was proactive in looking for outside the box methods like Cael does. Tom will never be that selling personality like Cael. I'm okay with that. But I've been very critical of them and lately I've impressed with this staff taking advantage of transfer rules. I am happy with the growth of this staffs philosophy towards things nowadays.

Now I would like to get the staff to start reevaluating when they use the challenge flag because I don't think they always grasp they are giving the other teams guy a breather or halting our guys momentum. I would like to see a study done with how many times Brands has lost and how many of those were during said time. I know our coaches are fighters but they need to pick their times better. I do realize that hard for them and their DNA to hold on the that challenge block. But...its another opportunity for coaching growth.

 

[pablow]

It is nice of you to limit the area of consideration to what you haven't done to need a hand. However, most likely you have received a hand in some aspect of your life.

Anyhow. Long and Cael already knew each other (ie personal relationship) and Long was struggling so Cael offered a second chance with a stipulation "zero alcohol".

If that offends you, so be it.

Wonder why KJ didn't think of that.

 

[IRONBIRD]

Your contention is "heeeees cheeeeeaating".
You have nothing to support that accusation, yet despite lacking any proof you insist you know better. In other words, your belief system is more accurate than facts. Fool.

You're beyond FOOL! You're a horses a$$!!! We all know they paid excessive amounts of money to their Wrestlers for camps! It was well established in another forum!

They are playing games with eligibility now, and that is what I believe this is!

It is FROM psu that Teasdale left for "health reasons." He officially left Nov.20. He is now back practicing!!! Less then 3 weeks!?!?!?

How is that possible???

That and ONLY THAT is the question that needs to be answered!!!

NO need to go into your BS about other people, programs, coaches, etc..... Not one person has ever seen or heard of a situation like this! YES people have withdraw from school who had SERIOUS enough problems to warrant it. Did they have some kind of miracle recovery and return in less then 3 weeks????

Did they get a waiver like none of it ever happened and we will start all over again?

 

[PD4thespawn]

I don't think they always grasp they are giving the other teams guy a breather or halting our guys momentum

you sir owe me a new keyboard

 

[rassling]

And Logan was in good academic standing from the prior semester after 6 months with no signs of trouble.

Gavin appears to be in bad academic standing from the prior semester, rumored pill use (possibly selling) and its been 3 weeks.

One thing is not like the other.

For the record if JRent had a good fall semester academically then reward him with some meets or midlands. But that's likely Tom and the coaches making a point to a young man to not even put yourself in that position and there is always next year. This is a marathon not a sprint.

Now if Gavin rejoins the team second semester and Cael is working on establishing what I said above as a priority then by all means...I applaude Cael for reaching out.

But how in the world would immediately letting him go to the scuffle send any message considering the kid just completely muffed his first semester in college?

IMO if Teasdale competes this spring semester it looks pretty bad. Does any PSU fan agree with this?

Ill hang up and listen.

This is kinda funny... In PSU's situation you assume the worst possible situation for Teasdale. No facts, just throwing out pretty big accusations and the coaches are scumbags if they wrestle him. In the Iowa scenario with JRent you assume the best and the coaches are just looking out for the best interest of the student athlete. We have no clue why we haven't seen JRent wrestle yet this year. Maybe it's grades, maybe it's trouble, maybe it's drug or alcohol related. We have no clue but you want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[wasdt21]

coming from the xanax man

 

[TailgateTom]

This is kinda funny... In PSU's situation you assume the worst possible situation for Teasdale. No facts, just throwing out pretty big accusations and the coaches are scumbags if they wrestle him. In the Iowa scenario with JRent you assume the best and the coaches are just looking out for the best interest of the student athlete. We have no clue why we haven't seen JRent wrestle yet this year. Maybe it's grades, maybe it's trouble, maybe it's drug or alcohol related. We have no clue but you want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I thinks it's fair to make predictions, based on past behaviors.

 

[Tommy Gavin]

Some of these posters are idiotic, surprises me the good ones here don’t call them out more and police it? Why let a great site be ruined? Come on Chief, your followers here need you

We've been trying to police and call out people like you for years but that does no good whatsoever, you just keep coming back and littering up the place.

 

[slushhead]

My take on some of the perceptions here:

Brands is an open book. Many HR posters praise him for it. And it's the reason why people are confident he puts in the "extra steps" for his guys. They can see it happening right in front of them.

Cael is a vault. On the rare occasion you can extract information, you can just see his discomfort (but that's a personality thing). There is relatively little transparency with Cael, and so it inherently seems like he has something to hide. People assume the worst, but don't really have any idea what his process is with troubled wrestlers.

Not saying this explains everything, but the differences in the two personalities is a contributing factor to people's perceptions.

And @Ihawkd9times , I'll agree it looks bad if Teasdale competes attached this season. I'll be very, very surprised if that happens, though.

 

[rassling]

coming from the xanax man

Please elaborate on this? It doesn’t really make sense as to what I stated above. Thanks.

 

[Sportfan2017]

You're beyond FOOL! You're a horses a$$!!! We all know they paid excessive amounts of money to their Wrestlers for camps! It was well established in another forum!

They are playing games with eligibility now, and that is what I believe this is!

It is FROM psu that Teasdale left for "health reasons." He officially left Nov.20. He is now back practicing!!! Less then 3 weeks!?!?!?

How is that possible???

That and ONLY THAT is the question that needs to be answered!!!

NO need to go into your BS about other people, programs, coaches, etc..... Not one person has ever seen or heard of a situation like this! YES people have withdraw from school who had SERIOUS enough problems to warrant it. Did they have some kind of miracle recovery and return in less then 3 weeks????

Did they get a waiver like none of it ever happened and we will start all over again?

Sorry....but FACTS:

FACT: He did not officially leave on Nov. 20. He announced he HAD left.
FACT: He is NOT practicing with the team at this time.....he can't....he is not enrolled.
FACT: I do not know the specific 'Health" details of why he left. Neither do you or anyone else on this board.
FACT: You can respond factually...... but you do have the Freedom to post falsehoods if you so chose. Enjoy your day.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Sorry....but FACTS:

FACT: He did not officially leave on Nov. 20. He announced he HAD left.
FACT: He is NOT practicing at this time!!!
FACT: I do not know the specific 'Health" details of why he left. Neither do you or anyone else on this board.
FACT: You can respond factually...... but you do have the Freedom to post falsehoods if you so chose. Enjoy your day.

Cael explicitly said that he is practicing at this time. Nice facts and caps on "NOT practicing".

 

[Gobblin]

Sorry....but FACTS:

FACT: He did not officially leave on Nov. 20. He announced he HAD left.
FACT: He is NOT practicing at this time!!!
FACT: I do not know the specific 'Health" details of why he left. Neither do you or anyone else on this board.
FACT: You can respond factually...... but you do have the Freedom to post falsehoods if you so chose. Enjoy your day.

How do you know no one here know the facts as to why he left? I’ll hang up and listen. Enjoy your day.

 

[OILCHECKER]

Cael explicitly said that he is practicing at this time. Nice facts and caps on "NOT practicing".

Practicing with the team or the club?

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Practicing with the team or the club?

Wrestling with Brady Berge so you tell me.

 

[OILCHECKER]

Wrestling with Brady Berge so you tell me.

I don't know what that is supposed to mean so what do you want me to tell you?
Guys that aren't part of the team practice with team and club members quite regularly, outside of official practices. That's why I was asking for the clarification.

 

[IRONBIRD]

Sorry....but FACTS:

FACT: He did not officially leave on Nov. 20. He announced he HAD left.
FACT: He is NOT practicing at this time!!!
FACT: I do not know the specific 'Health" details of why he left. Neither do you or anyone else on this board.
FACT: You can respond factually...... but you do have the Freedom to post falsehoods if you so chose. Enjoy your day.

It is kind of funny. What I posted is from your program!!! He could have left before, he could have never shown up!!! What they said though is he officially withdrew on Nov. 20!!!!

They said he is practicing. They reported his reason for leaving was health issues and i never said I knew what they were!!!! They said he could be back this Saturday!

They said he could possible be in the line up this year or he could seek a waiver!

I have no clue as to what exactly is happening. What I do know is I have never even heard of anything like this before! Like I originally said. I have no ill-will for the kid and I hope he does as well as possible.

The whole thing just struck me as very odd. How would someone have "health issues" great enough to force them to withdraw from classes with less then a month of school left?

How in 3 weeks after you withdraw are you recovered enough to be back practicing? What kind of waiver can some one be granted in a situation like this?

I might also add. Why was it all made public? If the kid had some Health issues. Why not say," kid got injured, kid got sick and he is recovering.

If the kid is having some sort of other problems. Why report it as health issues? Why not just keep it internal? "Teasdale is dealing with some personnel issues and everyone involved is working with him for the best possible solution."

 

[Sportfan2017]

How do you know no one here know the facts as to why he left? I’ll hang up and listen. Enjoy your day.

Uhhhh……"Medical" Health records are private. Anyone outside of immediate family would be violating law to tell anyone or release said information. I would say I am pretty sure his family is not commenting on this board. Enjoy your day

 

[Sportfan2017]

It is kind of funny. What I posted is from your program!!! He could have left before, he could have never shown up!!! What they said though is he officially withdrew on Nov. 20!!!!

They said he is practicing. They reported his reason for leaving was health issues and i never said I knew what they were!!!! They said he could be back this Saturday!

They said he could possible be in the line up this year or he could seek a waiver!

I have no clue as to what exactly is happening. What I do know is I have never even heard of anything like this before! Like I originally said. I have no ill-will for the kid and I hope he does as well as possible.

The whole thing just struck me as very odd. How would someone have "health issues" great enough to force them to withdraw from classes with less then a month of school left?

How in 3 weeks after you withdraw are you recovered enough to be back practicing? What kind of waiver can some one be granted in a situation like this?

I might also add. Why was it all made public? If the kid had some Health issues. Why not say," kid got injured, kid got sick and he is recovering.

If the kid is having some sort of other problems. Why report it as health issues? Why not just keep it internal? "Teasdale is dealing with some personnel issues and everyone involved is working with him for the best possible solution."

Could you post the "program" or article that said he was currently practicing? I am not seeing it anywhere. Unless it is at the NLWC.....I do believe that would be definitely be an NCAA violation. Thanks

 

[Gobblin]

Uhhhh……"Medical" Health records a private. Anyone outside of immediate family would be violating law to tell anyone or release said information. I would say I am pretty sure his family is not commenting on this board. Enjoy your day

Uhhhh.... Could you be more dense??? Enjoy your day.

 

[Ihawkd9times]

It is kind of funny. What I posted is from your program!!! He could have left before, he could have never shown up!!! What they said though is he officially withdrew on Nov. 20!!!!

They said he is practicing. They reported his reason for leaving was health issues and i never said I knew what they were!!!! They said he could be back this Saturday!

They said he could possible be in the line up this year or he could seek a waiver!

I have no clue as to what exactly is happening. What I do know is I have never even heard of anything like this before! Like I originally said. I have no ill-will for the kid and I hope he does as well as possible.

The whole thing just struck me as very odd. How would someone have "health issues" great enough to force them to withdraw from classes with less then a month of school left?

How in 3 weeks after you withdraw are you recovered enough to be back practicing? What kind of waiver can some one be granted in a situation like this?

I might also add. Why was it all made public? If the kid had some Health issues. Why not say," kid got injured, kid got sick and he is recovering.

If the kid is having some sort of other problems. Why report it as health issues? Why not just keep it internal? "Teasdale is dealing with some personnel issues and everyone involved is working with him for the best possible solution."

Drug use is a health issue.

Did Cael also issue a Zero Coke stipulation with Long or was it just alcohol?

Everyone in Ames knew Andrew was drinking, snorting, smoking and fighting. He was out of control. Cael could have easily discovered this had he asked. But that's not what something a smug ego driven Cael would ever do.

It would be nice if reporters ever asked him a hard question instead of fearing the Pyles smug ego treatment answer back. How dare you question me!!!

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Could you post the "program" or article that said he was currently practicing? I am not seeing it anywhere. Unless it is at the NLWC.....I do believe that would be definitely be an NCAA violation. Thanks

The article linked in the OP states he has been practicing.