Teasdale now back?

[dicemen99]

BTW, was it "kosher" for Pat Downey to work out at the HWC with Iowa team members last year during the season?

Absolutely was.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I didn't ignore it. I said I can't understand the analogy because there are NO football RTCs and we have no idea what rule set they would operate under if they existed.

The RTCs DO have a rule set they operate under, as do NCAA teams. I'm pretty familiar with both sets of them. You obviously are not.

We can agree to disagree in this case. I understand the rules RTCs operate under and I'm stating those wouldn't fly if sports like football or basketball tried to pull it off.

At the end of the day, Teasdale was wrestling in the PSU practice facility, while not enrolled at the university and wrestling with an active member of the PSU wrestling team. There are grey areas in life and this is one of them. I don't think that's a bad thing. I definitely don't think there is anything wrong with him wrestling in the room with Berge.

 

[dicemen99]

We can agree to disagree in this case. I understand the rules RTCs operate under and I'm stating those wouldn't fly if sports like football or basketball tried to pull it off.

At the end of the day, Teasdale was wrestling in the PSU practice facility, while not enrolled at the university and wrestling with an active member of the PSU wrestling team. There are grey areas in life and this is one of them. I don't think that's a bad thing. I definitely don't think there is anything wrong with him wrestling in their room with Berge.

I'm not agreeing to disagree on that. There is absolutely nothing grey to it.

I don't want to keep bringing up Downey, but enlighten me on the difference between Teasdale and his working out with active team members in a facility on a university campus. Suspended - no. As much not a fan of his am I, I certainly didn't or wouldn't criticize him or Brands for that. The kid has to work out somewhere if he is planning to wrestle.

You do understand that these kids can't sit on their ass if they plan to continue to move forward in their careers, don't you? Would you rather they do push-ups and sit-ups in their living room?

 

[Junglekitty]

Don't get it twisted. I'm not saying Teadale practicing with the NLWC is an issue. I was responded to the above poster who claimed Teasdale hadn't been practicing at all and then he also commented that Teasdale was not wrestling with any team members. Just pointing out that according to the reported article, that information is factually incorrect. Then we went down the tangent of the distinction between RTCs and NCAA wrestling programs.

I get that, but honestly who cares? Per the article he’s rolling around with berge at nlwc practice. If someone said that he was not, according to the article that person is wrong. Either way, nobody is changing anyone’s opinion on here.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

I'm not agreeing to disagree on that. There is absolutely nothing grey to it.

I don't want to keep bringing up Downey, but enlighten me on the difference between Teasdale and his working out with active team members in a facility on a university campus. Suspended - no. As much not a fan of his am I, I certainly didn't or wouldn't criticize him or Brands for that.

I believe I've been stating all wrestling RTC's are operating under a grey area not just NLWC. What's going on in wrestling RTC's wouldn't fly in football / basketball. And that's a good thing for the sport of wrestling. Again, I was just replying to Sportsfan above who said:

"Practicing? The article Never used that word. He can NOT be practicing at Penn State in their room."

 

[slushhead]

We can agree to disagree in this case. I understand the rules RTCs operate under and I'm stating those wouldn't fly if sports like football or basketball tried to pull it off.

At the end of the day, Teasdale was wrestling in the PSU practice facility, while not enrolled at the university and wrestling with an active member of the PSU wrestling team. There are grey areas in life and this is one of them. I don't think that's a bad thing. I definitely don't think there is anything wrong with him wrestling in the room with Berge.

Vodka, "agree to disagree" isn't really an alternative here, because the dispute is over an understanding of facts, not of opinions. A university team practice is not equivalent to a club/RTC workout/practice and vice versa, regardless of whether there is overlap in facilities or wrestlers. Practice A is separate under the rules from Practice B. As dice pointed out, Teasdale is not yet eligible to participate in Practice A. Berge can participate in both. So they got together at Practice B.

 

[dicemen99]

I believe I've been stating all wrestling RTC's are operating under a grey area not just NLWC. What's going on in wrestling RTC's wouldn't fly in football / basketball. And that's a good thing for the sport of wrestling. Again, I was just replying to Sportsfan above who said:

"Practicing? The article Never used that word. He can NOT be practicing at Penn State in their room."

I'm waiting for you to state what the "grey area" is that is relevant here. Everything is very black and white.

 

[slushhead]

I'm not agreeing to disagree on that. There is absolutely nothing grey to it.

Well, maybe there is with respect to the shirt.

 

[Kuch96]

Lol. You for get how much longer we’ve known Cael than you.

Cael is living rent free in your, and every other poster on this board's head. I love it.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Vodka, "agree to disagree" isn't really an alternative here, because the dispute is over an understanding of facts, not of opinions. A university team practice is not equivalent to a club/RTC workout/practice and vice versa, regardless of whether there is overlap in facilities or wrestlers. Practice A is separate under the rules from Practice B. As dice pointed out, Teasdale is not yet eligible to participate in Practice A. Berge can participate in both. So they got together at Practice B.

If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

 

[dicemen99]

If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

Is Teasdale academically ineligible? That would be pretty impossible until next week or so. First suspended, now ineligible. What is next to try to save this argument?

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Is Teasdale academically ineligible? That would be pretty impossible until next week or so. First suspended, now ineligible. What is next to try to save this argument?

No no no. This logic holds regardless of Teasdale's circumstances. By your logic, with the clear cut black and white distinction between RTCs and the university wrestling program, an academically ineligible athlete would still be able to practice with the RTC in the school's room and with current members of the team. I'm not saying that's Teasdale's situation. I'm using this as an example to point out the grey area in RTC's by your own logic and that it wouldn't fly in football or basketball.

(Again I'm pro RTC).

 

[PD4thespawn]

Practicing with a member of the team does not automatically consitute participation in a team practice. You're getting hung up on the facility. If Berge and Teasdale were practicing in a dorm room and it wasn't an official team practice, there is no violation.

That's why I was asking earlier about folks here talking about "watching practice" prior to the allowable start-date (Oct 10) for official team practices. My presumption was that they were watching guys working out with the HWC. Otherwise, it would have been a violation. The distinction between university team and wrestling club/RTC is quite relevant.

you probably shouldn't of said the V word to vodka. he gets a little wound up. now you have him spouting his logic. down the rabbit-hole

 

[Junglekitty]

If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

This will be 100% my last post on this thread. I have no idea if I’m right. But to answer your question, I would say that any academic ineligible student ( let’s say basketball ) would indeed be allowed to “practice” on their own in the gym with a current member ( academically eligible ) rostered member when the gym is free. It’s not a mandatory “sanctioned” practice run by the team’s coaches so I don’t know why there would be a problem with it. In my eyes, that’s no different than a non student athlete who is academically ineligible shooting around and a rostered team member coming in and shooting around with them.

 

[slushhead]

If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

He is not enrolled. Like dice said earlier, his participation in a club practice is no different from what PSU's greyshirts are doing. None of them are actually PSU students at this time. They are not participating in PSU team practices. They are free to roll around with whomever they choose outside of such practices.

The subject was never about football, suspensions, or academic ineligibility. Some are trying to make it that way, but let's stay on topic:
TEASDALE. NOT CURRENTLY A PSU STUDENT OR MEMBER OF THE PSU WRESTLING TEAM. PRACTICING AT NLWC UNTIL HE RE-ENROLLS AT PSU AND REJOINS PSU WRESTLING TEAM. THAT MAY HAPPEN SOON.

 

[dicemen99]

No no no. This logic holds regardless of Teasdale's circumstances. By your logic, with the clear cut black and white distinction between RTCs and the university wrestling program, an academically ineligible athlete would still be able to practice with the RTC in the school's room and with current members of the team. I'm not saying that's Teasdale's situation. I'm using this as an example to point out the grey area in RTC's by your own logic and that it wouldn't fly in football or basketball.

(Again I'm pro RTC).

I'm not satisfied with a simple wrong.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

He is not enrolled. Like dice said earlier, his participation in a club practice is no different from what PSU's greyshirts are doing. None of them are actually PSU students at this time. They are not participating in PSU team practices. They are free to roll around with whomever they choose outside of such practices.

The subject was never about football, suspensions, or academic ineligibility. Some are trying to make it that way, but let's stay on topic:
TEASDALE. NOT CURRENTLY A PSU STUDENT OR MEMBER OF THE PSU WRESTLING TEAM. PRACTICING AT NLWC UNTIL HE RE-ENROLLS AT PSU AND REJOINS PSU WRESTLING TEAM. THAT MAY HAPPEN SOON.

You avoided the question - If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices? I genuinely don't know the answer.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

you probably shouldn't of said the V word to vodka. he gets a little wound up. now you have him spouting his logic. down the rabbit-hole

Just waiting for an answer on this: If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

If the answer is yes then I will concede.

 

[DonHawkeye]

He is not enrolled. Like dice said earlier, his participation in a club practice is no different from what PSU's greyshirts are doing. None of them are actually PSU students at this time. They are not participating in PSU team practices. They are free to roll around with whomever they choose outside of such practices.

The subject was never about football, suspensions, or academic ineligibility. Some are trying to make it that way, but let's stay on topic:
TEASDALE. NOT CURRENTLY A PSU STUDENT OR MEMBER OF THE PSU WRESTLING TEAM. PRACTICING AT NLWC UNTIL HE RE-ENROLLS AT PSU AND REJOINS PSU WRESTLING TEAM. THAT MAY HAPPEN SOON.

It's 50 shades of greyshirts over in Happy Valley.

 

[slushhead]

It's 50 shades of greyshirts over in Happy Valley.

And you wish you had that problem.

 

[dicemen99]

And you wish you had that problem.

You've got to give them a couple of years. Recruiting top 10s, building up the RTC, upgrading the facilities, grey shirts. Some are quicker on the uptake than others.

 

[DonHawkeye]

You've got to give them a couple of years. Recruiting top 10s, building up the RTC, upgrading the facilities, grey shirts. Some are quicker on the uptake than others.

Guessing we don't see much of this from Brands. Duping kids to put their life on hold and make them pay for a year of living out of their pocket, while he actively trys to recruit over them. Nevermind, I am guessing they have plenty of "camps" setup for these guys to work in this year.

 

[slushhead]

You've got to give them a couple of years. Recruiting top 10s, building up the RTC, upgrading the facilities, grey shirts. Some are quicker on the uptake than others.

You forgot not shooting one another.
Once that one falls into place, watch out world . . .

 

[TailgateTom]

Cael is living rent free in your, and every other poster on this board's head. I love it.

Just pointing out sanctimonious Cael’s inconsistencies and you guys can’t handle it. I love it.

 

[TailgateTom]

As I said, you know absolutely nothing about the relationship between Cael and Long.
Have you had a conversation, interacted with him in a social gathering, a non-social situation. Hell no.
You now are coming across as an idiot, stop before you remove any doubt.

Oh man, if that ain’t the idiot pot calling the kettle black. You are the Penn State version of everything you claim to hate about Iowa fans. What specifically have I posted about Long’s time at Penn State that was inaccurate?

 

[lookleft goright]

I heard he's actually 27, not 18.

You misunderstood. He was 18 when he made the comment. He made the comment in Junior High School.

 

[west2east]

BREAKING NEWS
I heard Gavin Teasdale is back at Penn St and he was at a RTC practice.
Last time I checked Iowa has a guy at 125 who's decent and will handle Teasdale so who cares.

 

[YoungGun07]

Just waiting for an answer on this: If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

If the answer is yes then I will concede.

Couple unsolicited tips for you-
1. Start using your ignore button
2. Quit posting in this thread
3. Get a grip

 

[wasdt21]

are you kidding? the only one living in any ones head is vodka and you guys can't get him out of there. keep up the good work brother. if teacup is ever eligible to wrestle it will be because someone else is taking his tests for him.

 

[CholleyVandine]

Just waiting for an answer on this: If a football or basketball player are academically ineligible are they still allowed to practice at team facilities and with other member's of the team in unorganized practices?

If the answer is yes then I will concede.

Academically ineligible football and basketball players are allowed to participate in practices at team facilities on every single college campus that sponsors a regional Olympic football or basketball training program. I called around to check.

 

[anon_0pi0cv8t1ggvb]

Couple unsolicited tips for you-
1. Start using your ignore button
2. Quit posting in this thread
3. Get a grip

I'm good brother.

I'll offer the same advice to you. Ignore me or quit reading this thread.

 

[iowaHOXXX]

Weird thread.

 

[dunkej01]

People may know the "facts", thats fine, so be it. Thats one of the reasons we come to these boards, to learn things. I presume friends of his on the hawk team heard or were told certain things, saw things, etc. Such is life and not any different than HS, work, family. You deserve what you earn in this crazy world.

My issue is the "friends" of his that let things out, to the point that a dozen or so message board warriors would run rampant with rumors, innuendos, speculation, at will. I wonder if these friends feel good about themselves, now that this is going on here. Surely, they know what their insider info is being used for. Its got to hurt the teasdales, that their life is being dragged through the mud by people they never met or ever hurt in the first place.

My interest is how easy some of you run over people with these rumors, innuendos, speculations, etc. Its that important to be right, that you'll disparage a person who clearly was/is hurting for some reason that has not been confirmed publicly. That you'll almost take pride in running that person down, just so you can win an internet battle with another anonymous poster that you'll never meet. If you feel better about yourself when you log off here because you used someone's pain to win an internet fight, you probably need to take time to think on that and soon.

Now Ill go back to my board, GFM, and say 10 hail marys for having enabled Sandusky.

 

[Hotshoe]

Wow...You want to give the kid Credit for asking for help but when he was flunking all his classes why didn't he ask for help. Oh, you have to go to class first and then ask for help. If he wasn't a top wrestler PS would not allow him back in.....But Cael is a higher pay grade than the president of the school...

So, you know he was skipping classes? Where's your legitimate source? Grown men making accusations against college students without any knowledge of the situation. Higher pay grade? What a joke. Cael is now where close to President Barron in pay but nice try. Lmao.

 

[Gobblin]

This thread has become an embarrassment to all parties involved... Myself included. Full stop.

 

[Hotshoe]

What it really boils down to is this - if Cael/psu allow a kid to wrestle competitively in the 2nd semester, when he did not complete classes and remain eligible in the first semester, then it only serves to further establish they are win at all costs scumbags. If they are simply welcoming him back with the understanding he is ineligible until getting thru a semester academically with eligibility, then good for them.

Ah no. That's not how it works and the NCAA backs this up. Anyone can leave a school for a semester and come back the next semester. I know, I did it due to mononucleosis. The semester essentially didn't exist. So if a kid fights a disease, gets through it, he then has to complete a semester first? Show me where that exists? That's not even close to how it works. Question is, why should anyone have to do anything? For what legitimate reason if the reason they're out is legitimate?

 

[Mattski]

Ah no. That's not how it works and the NCAA backs this up. Anyone can leave a school for a semester and come back the next semester. I know, I did it due to mononucleosis. The semester essentially didn't exist. So if a kid fights a disease, gets through it, he then has to complete a semester first? Show me where that exists? That's not even close to how it works. Question is, why should anyone have to do anything? For what legitimate reason if the reason they're out is legitimate?

Bc he's a STUDENT athlete.
I'm not suggesting you punish the kid but to think a student athlete should be able to miss a semester of school then immediately compete is frankly ridiculous.

 

[IRONBIRD]

Man I would love to be a lawyer in a case against these turkeys!!!

IRONBIRD VS. The best and brightest psu Wrestling fans!

Judge(special guest Brett K)- Ironbird are you sure you want to go up against all these guys yourself

Ironbird: Yes your Honor, No problem

Judge: OK in the case of Did Teasdale Wrestle in less the 3 weeks after withdrawing from classes, please present your opening statement.

Iron- No need your honor! let these knuckleheads speak for a minute, they will make my case for me. We can all laugh then have a few Beers.

Judge-OK, Psu finest and brightest wrestling fans. Did Teasdale Wrestle in less then 3 weeks after leaving classes.

PSU- well you see judgee he was just with the nitwit club.

Judge-Was he Wrestling?

psu- well yes but the NCAA says that is ok we think.

Judge- this has NOTHING to do with what the NCAA thinks! It has to do with was he Wrestling 3 weeks after claiming he left school for "Health issues!"

psu- Well yea he was wrestling but he wasn't wrestling -wrestling. you see, he was just wrestling with the guys in the club and.....

Judge- You were right iron bird these guys are idiots!!! I find in favor of IRONBIRD!!! Case closed. lets get some beers.

Iron- Yes I told you lets head to the Pub, come on losers.

Judge- your bringing them morons!?!?!?

Iron-oh sure, they aint so bad, and besides I bet them they would win my case for me. They will be buying us beers all night!!!

A short time later at the Pub.

psu- waa waa WAAAAAA

ironbird- quit you winning

Judge K- yea bitches and get us some more beers!!!!!

 

[Hotshoe]

Bc he's a STUDENT athlete.
I'm not suggesting you punish the kid but to think a student athlete should be able to miss a semester of school then immediately compete is frankly ridiculous.

Please explain how he is different from any other student? I'll be waiting... ridiculous how? So, a legitimate medical reason as I stated is bullshit? So...like mono, a staff infection, torn mcl is all bullshit?

 

[Hotshoe]

Man I would love to be a lawyer in a case against these turkeys!!!

IRONBIRD VS. The best and brightest psu Wrestling fans!

Judge(special guest Brett K)- Ironbird are you sure you want to go up against all these guys yourself

Ironbird: Yes your Honor, No problem

Judge: OK in the case of Did Teasdale Wrestle in less the 3 weeks after withdrawing from classes, please present your opening statement.

Iron- No need your honor! let these knuckleheads speak for a minute, they will make my case for me. We can all laugh then have a few Beers.

Judge-OK, Psu finest and brightest wrestling fans. Did Teasdale Wrestle in less then 3 weeks after leaving classes.

PSU- well you see judgee he was just with the nitwit club.

Judge-Was he Wrestling?

psu- well yes but the NCAA says that is ok we think.

Judge- this has NOTHING to do with what the NCAA thinks! It has to do with was he Wrestling 3 weeks after claiming he left school for "Health issues!"

psu- Well yea he was wrestling but he wasn't wrestling -wrestling. you see, he was just wrestling with the guys in the club and.....

Judge- You were right iron bird these guys are idiots!!! I find in favor of IRONBIRD!!! Case closed. lets get some beers.

Iron- Yes I told you lets head to the Pub, come on losers.

Judge- your bringing them morons!?!?!?

Iron-oh sure, they aint so bad, and besides I bet them they would win my case for me. They will be buying us beers all night!!!

A short time later at the Pub.

psu- waa waa WAAAAAA

ironbird- quit you winning

Judge K- yea bitches and get us some more beers!!!!!

Your hate is strong and you need serious help. The envy is beyond ridiculous. Good God, go get a damn life. Hey, did you see the ASU match? What do you think? I'm sure Mark cheated somehow against Valencia, don't you?