The CC Show....
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It's why I've posted game efficiency numbers for you: so you don't keep focusing on one or two individual stats.
Fairly sizeable shift.....from #75 to 1/2 the list. Way to stand strong on your position.
What is the next "goalpost shift" for you and your buds. Let's recap:
- She is the most popular player of all time
(irrelevant, and not on the Committee's charter and they said so) - She played better than Taurasi
(so? Taurasi tried out. Clark didn't.) - Taurasi shouldn't have been on the team
(so? Clark didn't warrant a spot, either; several other WNBA guards who warranted a spot, though) - Olympic committee is supposed to grow the game
(so? Not on the Committee's charter and they said so; someone didn't want that as a selection criteria) - Clark couldn't attend camp because of NCAAs
(irrelevant; you don't try out, you don't merit a spot) - Olympic Committee intentionally scheduled to keep her from trying out
(nice conspiracy element, but gap between FF and Olympics was shorter than it has been since 2000) - Clark is setting records!
(so? Her early play was not great. Good, but not great)
What did I miss here? Those goalposts have moved about everywhere we can possibly put them by this point.
No; I think he's at the bottom end. I simply stated there are easily half the players who are better.
And few would argue otherwise. Apparently, not you. To you, he's The Greatest NBA Player Ever.
Hell, there are probably 20 playing right now to rank ahead of him.
Therein lies the problem. It was posted for you and you didn't read it.
So, here you are, claiming it's "incorrect".
Go complain to Nate Silver. It's his website that posted the value of steals. Probably because they alter the play of the offense after getting the ball taken.
Can you share what you consider to be 'a month'?
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Range 18. Waiting for that magical month of 18 days. Looking at the calendar....still not seeing it.
Average 119.5.
"Not unlike early -season CC, who turned the ball over time and time again"
Joe focusing on one or two individual stats.
"That 1-for-7 from 3 pt range was Greatest All Star Of All Time level stuff!!!"
Joe focusing on one individual stat.
"and hers was poor early on at 1:1"
Joe focusing on one individual stat
"Her ratio was 1:1"
Joe focusing on one individual stat
Man am I so happy that you don't focus on just one or two individual stats. There is a movement afoot to change hypocrisy to 'Joecrisy' as he has become the leader in field.
The next time Nate Silver posts his information trying to support his position I will. Until then the person(Joe) who feebly attempted to inject the magical 9.1 point steal from a decade old article about a different league will need to be called out on it. FYI Nate had a graph that supported the 9.1 point steal. Nice theory about graphs not lying.
So you’re suggesting that CC should have skipped the Final 4 with her college teammates to try out for the Olympic team?
Responding to folks like YOU, who kept parroting a couple stats.
Ignoring crappy shooting percentages that dragged her efficiency down.
Kind of like the All-Star game, where she went 1-7 from 3 pt range. Playing against (and with) players who all could have been on the Olympic team. Only, she was not the star that day (at all). Future years, she probably will be. Not her rookie year.
Ergo "I won't bother reading something posted on his site, because it destroys my arguments here"
You cannot provide counter-arguments, only more nonsense.
2021 was a year after a Final Four that never happened because it was canceled due to COVID. But here's the thing you might not know - there was a Final Four in 2021. The semifinals were on April 2 and the championship game was on April 4.
USA Basketball officially announced the Olympic roster 78 days later, on June 21. You can read all about it here.
The 2020 Tokyo Olympics started on July 23, 2021. 110 days after the college basketball season concluded and just 32 days after USA Basketball officially announced Team USA's roster.
Man, you face-planted again.
Pro tip for Joe
Don’t focus on one or two stats. There is a poster named Joe who doesn’t like it. He only does it.
Counter arguments to the magical “9.1 point steal’?
I am still working on ‘a month with 18 days’ someone here(Joe) posted about that magical month’s existence.
You posted a bad link to a decade old story on a different league. Really the only counter argument needed. Be better.
I posted the numbers for you pages ago.
Go re-read that post if you are confused here.
I'm just playing your "one or two" stat game.
I've posted the comprehensive stuff, and you've got no answer for that.
And it's a conundrum for you, because those numbers also clearly put CC a few steps ahead of Reese (or anyone else) for ROY.
You're stuck with accepting that metric, which supports the position you "like" but undermines the position you "don't like".
I’m not going to sift through multiple pages to find your blatant lie. Link it so I can mock it.
It's a professional basketball stat.
Now, you're flailing around because that doesn't support your singular focus on "assists records" that CC has.
Since you forgot (even though you responded to the post):
I wonder if @TJ8869 and his buddies are aware of the NCAAW Final Four and Olympic schedules over the past 20 years...
2024: almost the latest NCAAW FF dates (by one day) of the past 20 years (April 5-7, 2024; latest was April 6-8 2008).
2024: almost the earliest start to summer Olympics of the past 20 years (July 26, 2024, earliest was July 23, 2020)
In the years a WNBA "rookie" made the teams (and they may have gone to the tryouts those years), there were 129 or 122 days between the Final Four and the beginning of the Olympics (2004, 2008, 2016). Every one of those years, Olympics opening day was 1-2 weeks into August)
In 2024, that was 110 days, or 2-3 weeks less to schedule tryouts and still get the team together.
If I'm 90 and somehow still alive.. I wonder if I'll be sitting around talking about Clark and how she was one of the single greatest athletes of all-time.. while im doing that, I wonder if I'll remember that one dumbass Joe from that messages board who always made a fool of himself
So you are able to look things up.
Go find the ‘in consideration’ leads to ‘probably makes the team’
Last 6 Olympics days from final game of NCAA championship game and first game of basketball in the olympics.
Average 119.5 days
2024 112 days
2020* 113 days
To Joe ‘almost a month’
Last 6 Olympics largest span 18 days. To Joe ‘almost a month’
He may be doing finance work for the government with that math.
So one time there was 19 more days and two times there were 12 more days.
Thank you for proving that "This year there was about 1 month LESS TIME between them than the past 5-6 Olympics" is a blatant lie.
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I just read an article, and do you suppose CC's start to the season had anything to do with the good teams and defenses she faced? Did your stats take that into consideration?
I just googled and in 2004 the Olympic "tryouts" were in Colorado Springs from February 19-27. Diana Taurasi was on that team as a rookie. Do we actually believe she attended that tryout? Be serious. There is zero chance Geno Auriemma was allowing her to leave the team for 8 days during the season.
Also, this is the first time since the inception of the WNBA that no rookie or second year player was included on the squad. Considering that the top players in the league are no longer going to need to go overseas to actually support themselves it seems really short sighted to not have included one or two younger players on the team. But that is probably something else the old guard is pissed about.
I know it is a long shot….but anyone got odds on this becoming the longest pointless thread in HROT history?
I am responsible as well. I suffer fools poorly and Joe has been quite the fool in this thread.
And yes I am fully expecting him to edit my post like he has repeatedly done. Joe is on the ‘if you don’t have facts make stuff up’ path
There were other tryout camps besides that one. The third and final one was in April. Taurasi and two other prospects were invited to the final training camp at the Colorado Springs facility. So two days after playing her final game for UConn she went to Colorado and participated in the camp and played in several exhibition games. Then on May 12 she was selected to the Olympic roster.
‘The 6-foot guard had a tryout with the team last month, two days after UConn beat Tennessee in the national-championship game. After just one practice, Taurasi had 13 points, four rebounds, four assists and two blocks in an exhibition game against Japan.’
So a tryout 2 days after a game then one practice…. One(does that meet Reeves going to battle with criteria) she played a game.?
Probably because one practice is so much longer than any other time frame. Should I check the game time? Compare it to the church schedule and then make sure it was a good time zone?
I think they will. People who are invested are invested. Yesterday, the local early morning sports talk show here in DSM had more people calling in to talk about her and the Fever than the results of the Iowa and Iowa State games.
I think they will as well. This team is a lot of fun to watch. They were absolutely brutal to watch in May, and if they were still playing like that then I think a lot of people would have moved on by now. But they have figured things out. They are playing an exciting brand of basketball and they clearly are having a lot of fun in the process.
Wasn’t a Mitchell fan early in the year but the combo is really starting to work. I think she has realized that if she is open she will get the ball and that CC being on the floor takes a .5 defender away from her and gets her better/easier looks. Winning makes everything look fun but they seem to be getting comfortable with each other and having more fun. Also benching 33 was a good move. She wasn’t contributing much. Jury is still out on the coach.
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