No, he’s got plenty of ballistic missiles and ALCMs that could hit any facility in Europe that can be deployed from Mother Russia.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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If Putin attacked Poland or Romania, it would be an even more legit reason to wipe out Russian forces in Ukraine.
Which is WW III
That he and his oligarchs won't want to start, because it ruins things for all of them, too.
Yep.
I understand people's worries but I don't think Putin would start a nuclear war over Ukraine.
I cannot vouch for this, but it appears an armored brigade is:
87 M1 tanks
152 Bradleys
18 M109 self propelled 155 howitzers
45 M113 APCs.
Beyond that there are humvees of all types, heavy trucks, and fuel trucks…
That’s isn’t enough to sweep Ukraine free if Russians
87 M1 tanks
152 Bradleys
18 M109 self propelled 155 howitzers
45 M113 APCs.
Beyond that there are humvees of all types, heavy trucks, and fuel trucks…
That’s isn’t enough to sweep Ukraine free if Russians
I'm no longer convinced he even can.
Look at the lack of maintenance and poor shape most of his "regular" military equipment was in.
Maintaining nukes costs at least as much as that, and since everyone assumes you'll never use them, they're even easier to cut maintenance on.
You don't need to have actual functioning nukes to be a world nuclear power.
You only need people to THINK you still have functioning nukes.
And I'm betting that $$ which was supposed to go to maintaining those is sitting in Western bank accounts, in yachts and palaces around the world.
We spend more per year maintaining our nuclear arsenal, than Putin spends on his total military budget.
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There’s a clear line in the sand in regards to Poland. Putin knows an attack on Poland brings a NATO military response.
If we (NATO/US) are prepared to get involved militarily NOW over Ukraine we should have made that Chrystal clear BEFORE Putin invaded. Instead we made it abundantly clear we would not get involved militarily.
Nukes are a pretty big “excuse”….it’s why the USSR/USA never came into direct military conflict. Like it or not it’s part of the equation and folks downplaying the possibility of escalation are playing a dangerous game.
Arm Ukraine with pretty much everything they want….NATO can’t get involved in a direct military confrontation IMO.
@binsfeldcyhawk2
1. Glad to see that you are back to this sewer. I missed you. Glad you weren’t a deep troll that was purged.
2. You said you had been in Germany for the last few weeks. Can you share your thoughts on what you saw and the general mood? I assume you were visiting the wife’s family, did you get any insights from them? What about the massive bump in defense spending?
1. Glad to see that you are back to this sewer. I missed you. Glad you weren’t a deep troll that was purged.
2. You said you had been in Germany for the last few weeks. Can you share your thoughts on what you saw and the general mood? I assume you were visiting the wife’s family, did you get any insights from them? What about the massive bump in defense spending?
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The Russians haven’t hit NATO members because they know it brings a NATO military response. He’d steam roll the Baltic states if they weren’t NATO.
If we’re ready to get involved militarily over Ukraine we should have made that clear BEFORE the invasion. We did not…on the contrary, we made it clear repeatedly we wouldn’t because Ukraine wasn’t part of NATO.
Just like Putin made it "abundantly clear" that he only wanted to "de-Nazify" Eastern Ukraine....
But now he's firing ordnance at Ukrainian cities all across the country.
If NATO countries go "all in" on taking out Russian aircraft and directly supporting Ukraine, the next tin-pot dictator will be a tad more restrained in rattling his own sabers...
Ukraine is still looking for volunteers. I’m guessing that isn’t too scary for you, is it?
I went to held my daughter out with the grandkids while our son in law was in the states for job interviews….thanks for the kind thoughts.
This Ukraine thing has forced a total rethink for the Germans in regards to defense spending and being so reliant on the Russians for their energy needs. The German military basically atrophied over the last 20 years….large portion of military spending going To support the NATO Afghanistan mission and they quite frankly weren’t meeting their spending obligations.
So….let’s say Russia uses a tactical nuke on a Ukrainian Air Base NATO is using….what’s NATO’s response?
Whole lot of horrible scenarios if NATO and Russia come to blows…
Kind of blown away with how flippant folks are with that possibility…
I hope you relay this analysis to the US/NATO brass. Out intel services are apparently pussyfooting around while you have the real analysis all along.
If Putin is going to start WW III, then he's going to start WW III, regardless.
His entire military spending is nearly half what we spend maintaining our nuclear arsenal.
I don't think he's got the goods; it's not as operational as you think.
Call his bluff.
The military spending is public domain knowledge.
What was NOT public knowledge until 2-3 weeks ago, was how badly all of the equipment they were allegedly spending their ~10% of the US-equivalent military budget on.
He ain't got the goods.
Maybe it’s the nearly 80 years of mutually agreed non-use and the certain complete annihilation of the offending parties country?
My god…this is batshit crazy Joe….call his bluff on Nuclear Armageddon?
Hope to god the adults hold sway in the administration and NATO.
That’s great. Since you seem to have such a better grasp on this than all our collective intel sources let me ask you, home many functional nukes does he actually need? What’s our defense against them? What’s our response if he uses them?
Joe is gonna Joe.
We weren’t in a direct military confrontation with Russia in those 80 years….
That’s what folks are blithely advocating for now.
Bay shit crazy in my book….
I do think we could take out 80 percent of their known nuclear launch sites before they even knew what hit them. It's the other 20 percent that's the problem.
No worries…only a couple hundred million dead…..
There’s a reason we haven’t directly intervened yet. It’s because those who are professionals at this and actually brief the administration know there’s a chance this escalates in a bad way.
Posters on HROT are just dumbasses for the most part. The WWIII hard-on here is a lot stronger than I thought it would be.
Keep doing what we’re doing. Up aid of all kinds to Ukraine.
I'm not sure how this would end up as a WWIII.
It would be more like the entire world vs. Russia.
I have seen every season of Kobra Kai and I think we need to use a Miyagi-Do approach and less of a Kobra Kai strike first approach.
Are you still in Poland or make it across the border yet?
Surely you’re not just sitting on your ass watching college basketball bitching about not starting a hot war with a nuclear power…
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This…
My fear is the idiots in the media and Twitter that are beating the war drums will entice the administration to change their stance….
Heaven help us if polling on the matter supports military intervention….
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US special forces like Delta and SEALs on the ground in Ukraine.
I'm the tip of the NATO spear hiding under my bed just like you.
Yep, doing nothing just like me. Funny how that’s all you guys with war hard-on’s ever end up doing. Sure quick to want to send the young guys over there though.
What’s holding you back?
