because it's a fluid situation. He probably isn't positive where Kemdog will be next Nov. Plus there could be recruiting ramifications.
Tom Brands addresses the rumors: Kemerer at 174 is far from done deal; Here is a PROJECTED LINEUP
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because it's a fluid situation. He probably isn't positive where Kemdog will be next Nov. Plus there could be recruiting ramifications.
Agreed. We know Cael always confirms weight changes in June, and Ohio State fans have been given definitive word on their weight situations for the upcoming season. This must be why we are falling behind. Some complaints are legitimate, but this is not one of them.
You love digging your holes deeper. Please continue
Superficially, other teams can plan and prep based on a move like that. The more anonymity the better. Hell the Pats list half their line up as questionable on the weekly injury report. Tom doesn’t owe the fans didly squat
Because they know his natural walk around weight and body fat percentage right now, know where they want his weight and body fat 4 months from now, and he's on a plan with a strength coach where they have catered a strength program to him in addition to a diet plan with appropriate supplementing.
I like Brands a lot but won't say this is an area he does really well. In fact I'd say that the reason we are in a position where we are is because Kaleb Young was never close to a full 174 pounder and Cash Wilcke was never a full 197 pounder. That said, right now things are definitely looking like they are falling into the right places for this year.
Do you really think that is even possible? Are we ever going to move around guys based on what somebody else has done with their roster? That just seems completely unrealistic.
All I care is that Brands has a plan. I believe he does now. I will say I think there has been times in the recent past he hasn't, so I can see the concern.
I also agree with not naming his lineup now in the press as it relates to the motivation of his wrestlers fighting for spots.
On the flip side why in the heck does M*, Brands, etc. have the back & forth on Twitter eluding to it, then be all secretive about it? That makes no sense to me.
I also agree with not naming his lineup now in the press as it relates to the motivation of his wrestlers fighting for spots.
On the flip side why in the heck does M*, Brands, etc. have the back & forth on Twitter eluding to it, then be all secretive about it? That makes no sense to me.
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Brands historically has not had plans. I think that’s what people are worried about. Even PD3 commented that Coach never had a plan for him to go to a certain weight or another. It goes way back beyond PD3 as well. It’s just a different philosophy of “let the chips fall where they may“.
I agree that it’s very important to figure this out now. If there is going to be a wrestle off at 165, it needs to be done now so they know who goes to 174 and not in August. Young needs to know if he’s going to go 57 now rather than be a 65 or 74 back up again.
I am sure this has been decided with the Gunther transfer, but Brands isn’t one for coach speak. He pretty much says what’s on his mind. If this isn’t happening, why would Gunther transfer? That would be a huge loss.
So I think this is set in stone based on the evidence, but based on Coach Brands’s history, I could see why some would question his comments.
But if we wouldn't do that, why would you think others would? Is PSU going to jo key positions if they think Kem is moving up?
Each team is worried about putting together their strongest roster -- not to beat Iowa but to score the most possible points at Nationals.
I was more laughing at how Brands allowed them to become really good at wrestling. Damn you, Tom Brands! Why did you let it become so freaking hot in Iowa over the past month?????
You are missing the point. My kids will take an argument and pick something out of the argument that wasn’t even the original concern and argue about that to make it look like they’ve won the argument. That’s what you’re doing. It’s not that Coach not confirming that has people worried. It’s his history of not having a plan coupled with some posters thoughts that a plan is very important. So Coach’s non-denial denial (with a coach who speaks his mind) makes people worry. Like I said, I’m sure this is happening, So probably nothing to worry about, but Coac Brands could literally take a dump on some of your faces, and you explain it away as something good. And that’s not a knock on Coach Brands, so don’t try to make it into that. That’s a knock on some of the posters here.
It happens, in all sports—whether coaches want to admit it or not. Again, this isn’t the ONLY reason for keeping things close to the vest, just one example.
Help me out here: give me some advantages to confirming this information to the media. Outside of appeasing Iowa’s fan base (because I don’t feel like Tom needs to do that), what is there to gain?
Appease the fan base. Why people think this isn't important baffles me.
If you aren't satisfied with Iowa's efforts to appease the fan base because of this situation then you will always find something to b*tch about. Iowa's staff is more engaged/accessible with their fans than 99% of D1 staff's out there.
We know more about the inner-workings of Iowa wrestling and the HWC than we ever have and it is only getting better.
We know more about the inner-workings of Iowa wrestling and the HWC than we ever have and it is only getting better.
tom needs to win, he does not need to tell me his plan for winning. he has enough to worry about.
I don't think you are listening. Any Iowa fan has to admit that our talent has not been well-distributed lately, and Brands has basically suggested he doesn't care and just wants to let things fall where they will. Many of us are hoping that he has started to learn some things -- the same way he has learned that in order to recruit you actually have to let kids know you want them on your team. If he continues to suggest he's not actively working to make sure we have a top kid at each weight -- and don't have duplicates at any weight -- it's not a good thing. It's asking for trouble among the fan base; and asking for the team to continue to not compete for the NC.
So.... we have actually reached this far to criticize coach Brands that we're citing PD3 to get there. PD3!
LOL is quite right.
PSU has become a behemoth due to one overarching reason - the sucessful recruiting of the very best kids coming out of HS - top 10 p4p, #1 in their HS weight class, cadet/jr world champs.
Admitted recruiting short-comings in recent years is one thing. Saying "Brands has basically suggested he doesn't care and just wants to let things fall where they will" is a joke.
I'm not saying all fans need to be huge fans of the coach, but do you honestly believe Tom Brands "doesn't care"?
Define "lately". Because lately, to me, our recruiting has been fantastic. (Marinelli, Kemmerer, Stoll, Warner, etc. Oh yeah, I forgot a guy, perhaps you have heard of him...Lee.) When I say lately, I am referring to the past 0-3'ish years. If your "lately" is 4-8+ years ago, then yes, we weren't getting the quantity and caliber necessary to be at the top of the NCAA D1 heap. But that has changed, and changed big time.
I have seen a great awakening on behalf of Brands over the past few years to getting top, top flight recruits. I cannot honestly believe that we are arguing about his deliberately obtuse comments in JUNE regarding a potential weight change for one of the grapplers in this upcoming season. People are really reaching to have something to gripe about if his comments relative to Kem moving weights are causing real heartburn.
And, "Brands has basically suggested he doesn't care and just wants to let things fall where they will." LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL You should attend a practice and see if you still think that way. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
1. Not one coach, Brands included, gives detailed weight situations in June because the fans think they're entitled to it. Every sign and connected poster has pretty much stated what the lineup is likely to be.
2. Brands gives as much coach speak as any coach in wrestling.
3. I've been frustrated with Brands about several things, so go be a condescending prick to your kids and spare me
So it makes my point is invalid because it’s PD3? You’re not arguing the substance of my point. Again, you’ll defend anything Brands does.
Again, you’re doing exactly what my kids would do. You add a little extra to the argument to try to make your point. Where did he say that Brands “doesn’t care?” You try to make yourself look more right by adding that to his point. That wasn’t even close to his point.
I could say that “Coach Brands is not a good recruiter.” You would come back at me by saying “how could you possibly say that coach Brands doesn’t care about recruiting? “. Like I said, arguing with my kids.
I'm talking about distribution of talent. Like not having three R12/LowAA level guys, each presumably with money, at 141. Or guys wrestling up a weight class or two to fill gaps.
Definitely he's had some good recruits lately. Hopefully that trend keeps up, and hopefully we start shaking things out weight-wise so our ten best wrestlers are on the mat each night. Because I've felt lately like that isn't the case.
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That is one. And it's a big one. Probably the most important one.
The substance of your point? LOL.
You're mostly right about me defending Coach Brands. I think he's a great coach and a great person. I think he cares about Iowa Wrestling and the Iowa Wrestlers (and the USA wrestlers for that matter) as much or more than anyone.
I would never say I would defend "anything" he might ever do. But in this case, people are REALLY REACHING to bitch about him. It's actually laughable. The program is better than it has been in years and is on an upward trajectory, and some of you are upset because you think "he doesn't care". LAUGHABLE.
Did you read the quote I replied to? It's post number 64, 2nd and 3rd line.
I quoted where he said, "Brands has basically suggested he doesn't care".
What part of that did I "add a little extra to"?
Again, Most posters don’t expect him to Tell everyone’s plan to wait for the following year. It’s when he gives a vague answer where it makes it appear that he’s gonna let it play out. That, combined with the history, has people concerned. No one expects him to give all the answers right now. you some sort of tough guy with the name-calling? Usually it’s you and your “friends “online who attack everyone who questions anything in regards to coach brands for the wrestling program I’m just pointing out the flaws in your argument. Sorry if I hurt your vagina by comparing your way of arguing to my kids way of arguing. It seemed fitting. Don’t respond to me if you don’t want to but if you’re gonna call me a name be prepared to call to my face.
those words were in the context of coach brands not caring where the chips fall, as in what weights people were at. Your very last line in your post suggested that Coach brands doesn’t care—And left it open ended. That’s a huge leap. That’s the jump you were making. You took it out of context. We could argue about this forever I’m glad to do that too. Just don’t start calling me names. I apologize for comparing your argument style to my kids. My kids are actually smart and cool.
They had a plan for Spencer. A lot of good reasons not to pull Spencer’s shirt...plus, Tom never wrestled true freshman. He proved that he is open to change when it warrants it plus the TnT took a huge risk.
Imo, what were these grand plans that was going to make Iowa better? Somebody cited Sorensen/Grothus but they were wrong.
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