What I learned at NCAAs this weekend

[HawkCharlotte]

I had to go back and dig it up, but I recall listening to David Taylor several years ago on the podcast Askren and Tommy Rowlands used to have. They specifically asked him if he would want to coach at Iowa, and he said it was something he would be interested in, one of the dream job positions out there. No idea about any of the rumors here, and the podcast is hypothetical speculation from 7 years ago now, but interesting nonetheless.

The impetus for the question to DT was Askren going into his issue with Iowa's style (basically lack of focus on scrambling), and DT offers his thoughts on the matter. Interesting to listen to regardless.

The relevant part starts around 45:40.

#62: David Taylor

Two-time NCAA champ, two-time Hodge winner, and recent World Cup champion David Taylor joins Ben and Tommy to talk Penn State, international wrestling, and more all this week on the T-Row & Funky Show! Follow us on Twitter @TRowFunkyShow

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Holy cow!!! I can't imagine DT in Black and Gold. He would actually train Iowa guys HOW TO WRESTLE and HOW TO GET BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[IAChief32]

I don't think DT is very high on Gilamn anyway. I have heard he doesn't make friends well (gilman)

 

[GlenHawk]

I had to go back and dig it up, but I recall listening to David Taylor several years ago on the podcast Askren and Tommy Rowlands used to have. They specifically asked him if he would want to coach at Iowa, and he said it was something he would be interested in, one of the dream job positions out there. No idea about any of the rumors here, and the podcast is hypothetical speculation from 7 years ago now, but interesting nonetheless.

The impetus for the question to DT was Askren going into his issue with Iowa's style (basically lack of focus on scrambling), and DT offers his thoughts on the matter. Interesting to listen to regardless.

The relevant part starts around 45:40.

#62: David Taylor

Two-time NCAA champ, two-time Hodge winner, and recent World Cup champion David Taylor joins Ben and Tommy to talk Penn State, international wrestling, and more all this week on the T-Row & Funky Show! Follow us on Twitter @TRowFunkyShow

www.podomatic.com

Thanks for sharing this! It's sad they were talking about Iowa's issues 7 years ago and it feels like nothing has changed.

And people still wonder why Iowa gets zero interest from AWA guys lol.

 

[Multi-Hawk]

The problem is we are talking about two different things. NIL money Iowa has more of. Money that goes to wrestlers or promised to wrestlers when they are done with PSU is through the roof. The money they get to be apart of the NLWC is something that we can only dream about here. So when people say they took less money to go to PSU it is true, but the money that is earmarked for them after college sets them up for a long time.

This is how they got around NIL for all those years. Of course this was explained to me by someone who I think would know but i could be way off.

Penn State has more money period and it's not close. There's a handful of very wealthy donors in Las Vegas that feed NIL Those checks are rounding errors for those guys.

 

[bourbon n blues]

Ill look for the interview but Cael said he is staying until he is 60... how much longer is that?

Roughly 16 years.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

Yo are probably right but he isn't replacing Carl for the next 20 years and Casey is the best coach on the staff (including Carl), so he isn't taking his spot.

This. Which is why you have to take a hard swing at DT, if you determine that is the path.

Not saying he is the next Gable or Cael... But isn't this how we got Gable as our coach instead of him being at ISU? He was ready, but ISU wasn't giving him the keys, so he came to Iowa to coach.

 

[T8KUDWN]

I'm confused...David Taylor married his sister or Kennedy married his sister.

WTF...these guys Amish?

Gonna need pics!

DT is married to Jimmy Kennedy's sister.

 

[artradley]

I had to go back and dig it up, but I recall listening to David Taylor several years ago on the podcast Askren and Tommy Rowlands used to have. They specifically asked him if he would want to coach at Iowa, and he said it was something he would be interested in, one of the dream job positions out there. No idea about any of the rumors here, and the podcast is hypothetical speculation from 7 years ago now, but interesting nonetheless.

The impetus for the question to DT was Askren going into his issue with Iowa's style (basically lack of focus on scrambling), and DT offers his thoughts on the matter. Interesting to listen to regardless.

The relevant part starts around 45:40.

#62: David Taylor

Two-time NCAA champ, two-time Hodge winner, and recent World Cup champion David Taylor joins Ben and Tommy to talk Penn State, international wrestling, and more all this week on the T-Row & Funky Show! Follow us on Twitter @TRowFunkyShow

www.podomatic.com

Nice find. Askren is crazy. But he has always had great takes on wrestling.

 

[GlenHawk]

Penn State has more money period and it's not close. There's a handful of very wealthy donors in Las Vegas that feed NIL Those checks are rounding errors for those guys.

This is hard to believe as we are building a $35M facility dedicated solely to the wrestling program. A project funded solely on private gifts.

 

[dtripp26]

So what? It’s freaking competition, don’t like it go watch women’s wrestling

Oh wow, that's a sick hot take.

I'm sure our AD shares your terrible take on the subject.

 

[vhsalum]

Damn it!! i was hoping it was true

It is true.

Penn State has more money period and it's not close. There's a handful of very wealthy donors in Las Vegas that feed NIL Those checks are rounding errors for those guys.

oh boy. You bootlicker. Tom has you actually believing Iowa wrestling has less money than PSU.

And guess what? The "biggest" Iowa booster? knows about this.

 

[bourbon n blues]

Beleiv

This is hard to believe as we are building a $35M facility dedicated solely to the wrestling program. A project funded solely on private gifts.

Believe me, they do. I mean I signed up this year and kicked in an extra $15. $50 NLWC, don't spend it all in one place.

 

[Multi-Hawk]

This is hard to believe as we are building a $35M facility dedicated solely to the wrestling program. A project funded solely on private gifts.

Understandable. NIL is a whole different animal and there aren't nearly as many who like to participate in it.

 

[dtripp26]

And I told myself this morning, wrestling season is over, cancel B1G+, cancel ESPN+, take a little break from the message boards. But here I am on a workday afternoon...refresh page, refresh page...

I wonder if this post will end up being as far off base as the one we got after nationals last year?

It's an entertaining read though.

 

[Random4598375]

The prodigal son was known for completely squandering his inheritance with loose living, ending up destitute eating pig food, and finally decided to go back home and beg to be his dad's mere slave.

David doesn't sound anything like the prodigal son.

I think he meant prodigy. LOL.

 

[DeangeloVickers]

We totally wrestle their style. Its always moving forward and quick one move attack's It just use to work better because everyone tried to wrestle that style and Iowa kids were better. Now it is about scrambling and being smart in matches and its passing the Iowa trained kids by.


Cael was very exciting, im not sure I agree with that either but maybe it was exciting because of the streak.

Agree to disagree. Go watch TnT, they were messenbrink x 10. We don't have one of those and pretty much haven't since Metcalf.

 

[Multi-Hawk]

It is true.

oh boy. You bootlicker. Tom has you actually believing Iowa wrestling has less money than PSU.

And guess what? The "biggest" Iowa booster? knows about this.

Why are you resorting to name calling? The biggest donor is the one who told me about the LV connection, not Tom. No need to get pissy because someone else has different information than you.

 

[burk11]

I'm confused...David Taylor married his sister or Kennedy married his sister.

WTF...these guys Amish?

Gonna need pics!

David Taylor is married to Kendra (Kennedy) Taylor. Kendra (Kennedy) Taylor is Jimmy Kennedy's sister. David and Kendra Taylor have three (3) children.

Cameron Kennedy, the youngest of the Kennedy family was also an accomplished wrestler (but) a career ending injury at the University of Michigan.
What a gene pool that!

 

[vhsalum]

Why are you resorting to name calling? The biggest donor is the one who told me about the LV connection, not Tom. No need to get pissy because someone else has different information than you.

My apologies. name calling not needed. But I think you might be surprised about who the biggest "donor" actually is.

 

[OldHawkFan]

If BG is talking publicly about changes to wrestling staff, that would really lower my opinion of her. Doing it quietly behind the scenes, that’s fine but how much would that undermine TB and staff. They don’t deserve that kind of treatment.

He literally said that he thinks someone from Toms camp leaked this to get it out early.

 

[Random4598375]

If memory serves, doesn't he have in-laws in the Midwest? Which was one of the reasons he wrestled in the Midlands that one year?

I think they relocated to State College. LOL.

 

[Muscles1989]

So DT is coming to Iowa city, bringing a posse, gonna train at hwc, win Olympics. The hawks are back baby! Beem a productive day

 

[GlenHawk]

Understandable. NIL is a whole different animal and there aren't nearly as many who like to participate in it.

I just find it hard to believe Iowa wrestling's NIL is 'not even close' to Penn State's. So Tom can convince donors to build a $35M state-of-the-art wrestling facility but he can't convince them to fill it with the best wrestlers possible? Iowa wrestling has lots of problems, but money isn't one of them.

And if we are that far behind, what are TNT doing to improve NIL participation?

 

[wahlberg]

What a weekend. While it wasn't the best for the Hawks - I still love talking to the best fans of the world's oldest and gratest! Let's run it down shall we!

Lineup:

125: Ayala
133 - Peterson/portal
141 - Portal
149 - Block
157 - Caliendo/Siebrecht
165 - PK
174 - Arnold
184 - Brands
197 - Glazier
285 - Kueter/Hill

Biggest surprise for me is Block at 149. But it looks like he'll be the man. Right now the plan is Caliendo to 157 (edited to add Siebrecht as well at 157) to get PK in the lineup. Brands medical was approved. AJ - somehow, yuck, - is still in the plans, but it sounds like he's just going to move on to MMA. Anthony is still around and is still a troublemaker. Why he's still around is absolutely absurd and when he does something worse, it's going to be on Tom.

There is no talk about changes to assistant. Like Wahlberg said - assistants are just extensions of Tom. Period. I think its short-sighted, arrogant, and at this point, just plain negligent, but hey, dems the breaks.

Sorry acuhawk - Tom's practices on a general basis are NOT 45-60 minutes. They are towards the end of the season, and certainly happen earlier than they used to, but that is not the typical practice time. But the practice time isn't really the biggest deal - it's still the intensity. Still long goes, still far more on the "dark places" track.

Now the biggie - yes. Kyven was right. The AD has plans to talk to DT. She is dead serious about WINNING chips again. She's not particularly happy with Tom at the moment. The gambling, the ferrari situation, and this performance - she's holding Tom accountable and will be looking to do what will have us beat carl. She is VERY AWARE of the legacy of Iowa wrestling and how we're falling further behind. Like I told you earlier, she shut down AJ coming in in January - she's not a fan and isn't a fan of Tom's decision to bring the circus in. She also told Tom to get a hold of Terry - it's why he's been "less" in the corners.

Now how this got out? Not sure, but it likely means there are Tom loyalists who wanted it leaked. Because the plan was to wait until after the Olympics to talk to DT. So now that its out, not sure if this will accelerate talks or stop them completely.

Wow. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but y'all know where I stand..

 

[Multi-Hawk]

My apologies. name calling not needed. But I think you might be surprised about who the biggest "donor" actually is.

Unless this is a very recent turn of events, not when it comes to NIL.

 

[grapplefann]

Tell me you're clueless without telling me you're clueless.

No, just proud.

 

[The-Dude-Abides]

Thanks for sharing this! It's sad they were talking about Iowa's issues 7 years ago and it feels like nothing has changed.

And people still wonder why Iowa gets zero interest from AWA guys lol.

Yep, Askren definitely doesn't encourage his kids towards Iowa and may actively discourage them. I like Ben and think he is great for the sport overall, but I don't fully understand why the focus of that type of criticism is all on Iowa. Sure it's valid to some extent, but it could be said just as much about a lot of other teams other than Iowa. I saw a ton of guys not from Iowa having the exact same issues last weekend. But nobody cares about the style a lot of guys from Michigan, Ok St, tOSU, ISU, even some PSU guys, wrestle. Must just be Iowa's history as the previous dynasty.

 

[The-Dude-Abides]

D

Beleiv

Believe me, they do. I mean I signed up this year and kicked in an extra $15. $50 NLWC, don't spend it all in one place.

Damn, you guys give actual cash? Here I've been sending in loads of box tops for education thinking that would give us the edge.

 

[GlenHawk]

Yep, Askren definitely doesn't encourage his kids towards Iowa and may actively discourage them. I like Ben and think he is great for the sport overall, but I don't fully understand why the focus of that type of criticism is all on Iowa. Sure it's valid to some extent, but it could be said just as much about a lot of other teams other than Iowa. I saw a ton of guys not from Iowa having the exact same issues last weekend. But nobody cares about the style a lot of guys from Michigan, Ok St, tOSU, ISU, even some PSU guys, wrestle. Must just be Iowa's history as the previous dynasty.

I agree that Iowa isn't the only program with these problems. However, it seems to me that Ben was vocalizing these concerns years ago in an attempt to prompt the Iowa coaches to reconsider their approach to scrambling. As time has passed and we've witnessed more Iowa wrestlers lose big matches due to these issues, I can begin to understand why he continues to critique Iowa and its coaching staff.

Also, I could be misremembering, but I seem to recall hearing something about Ben harboring some resentment toward Iowa because they never seriously recruited him out of high school. I may be off base, but I believe this has been mentioned before.

Whatever the issue is, I wish Iowa would fix it lol.

 

[lookleft goright]

A wise person once told me that when you say you know something, you stop learning. I think that TnT "know" the best way to win and I think Cael is still learning. The results speak for themselves.

 

[IowaFan1414]

Terry did reportedly interview at NC. They could've had the heads up about what was coming with another "down" year at the national tourney.

Terry never interviewed or even applied for the UNC job. That was more internet nonsense, much like this entire thread.

 

[bourbon n blues]

D
Damn, you guys give actual cash? Here I've been sending in loads of box tops for education thinking that would give us the edge.

Well I did use my debit card lol.

 

[SPOONER]

I just find it hard to believe Iowa wrestling's NIL is 'not even close' to Penn State's. So Tom can convince donors to build a $35M state-of-the-art wrestling facility but he can't convince them to fill it with the best wrestlers possible? Iowa wrestling has lots of problems, but money isn't one of them.

And if we are that far behind, what are TNT doing to improve NIL participation

Iowa does really well with wrestling NIL. We know that. The results speak for themselves.

The facility fundraising does not speak directly to annual year-over-year pay for play resources, however. It is a bit of a different animal.

The facility money was raised over several years, and a chunk of it came from the use of the foundation fundraising. It also does not speak to what Penn State can do with their resources, especially when you consider the rumors that they have been at it for quite a while.

Don’t get me wrong, it is not completely apples and oranges by any means. Iowa certainly has resources; that was never in dispute. But just saying Iowa must have as much as PSU because Iowa built a super nice facility missed the mark a bit.

 

[GlenHawk]

Iowa does really well with wrestling NIL. We know that. The results speak for themselves.

The facility fundraising does not speak directly to annual year-over-year pay for play resources, however. It is a bit of a different animal.

The facility money was raised over several years, and a chunk of it came from the use of the foundation fundraising. It also does not speak to what Penn State can do with their resources, especially when you consider the rumors that they have been at it for quite a while.

Don’t get me wrong, it is not completely apples and oranges by any means. Iowa certainly has resources; that was never in dispute. But just saying Iowa must have as much as PSU because Iowa built a super nice facility missed the mark a bit.

I appreciate the response but never suggested Iowa had as much NIL as PSU. I said I find it hard to believe that we are 'not even close' as the one poster suggested. I would imagine out of all the wrestling programs, Iowa is #2 by a decent margin. Maybe tOSU or Michigan but I doubt it.

And I only mentioned the $35M facility as proof of Iowa booster's dedication to the program. No other program but PSU is investing in its wrestlers the way Iowa does.

As I said, I don't think NIL or money is an issue, and if it is, what is Tom doing to fix that?

 

[goethe14]

Inside word: They are talking to Magic Man and he will indeed listen and consider.

You are either full of shit or trolling this board because none of this is true. The inside word is no. What you are trying to change was one insider said talk is cheap that move would not be.

 

[PD4thespawn]

My apologies. name calling not needed. But I think you might be surprised about who the biggest "donor" actually is.

Marky Mark?

 

[ping72]

Don't know if he ever finished it but DT was going for a Masters in Education Administration. Sounds like something a college Dean would have.

Only a really really bad school would have a Dean with only a masters degree.

The degree you referenced is what teachers get when they want to move into administration (principal for example).

 

[kjb32812]

Only a really really bad school would have a Dean with only a masters degree.

The degree you referenced is what teachers get when they want to move into administration (principal for example).

There's a difference between Ed Admin and HE Admin. My Mom has an Ed.D in one and I have an M.Ed...from PSU...in the other.

Deans probably need their Doctorate whether it's on the Studemt Affairs side or the Education side. Even at a small school like the D3 I went to. Both Deans had their Doctorate, and that was 30+ ago.

 

[4net3sandbagger]

I agree that Iowa isn't the only program with these problems. However, it seems to me that Ben was vocalizing these concerns years ago in an attempt to prompt the Iowa coaches to reconsider their approach to scrambling. As time has passed and we've witnessed more Iowa wrestlers lose big matches due to these issues, I can begin to understand why he continues to critique Iowa and its coaching staff.

Also, I could be misremembering, but I seem to recall hearing something about Ben harboring some resentment toward Iowa because they never seriously recruited him out of high school. I may be off base, but I believe this has been mentioned before.

Whatever the issue is, I wish Iowa would fix it lol.

I think Askren falls into the category of a lot of club coaches. They make a lot of money, but there is no doubt they are really invested in their kids. They have more time with these kids than any other coach they will probably have. Do you really want to be that invested in a kid and not want them in the best place to succeed. I have literally heard a club coach tell a kid that He needs to choose a school that will continue to grow his skill set, and not stifle it.

 

[Random4598375]

Yep, Askren definitely doesn't encourage his kids towards Iowa and may actively discourage them. I like Ben and think he is great for the sport overall, but I don't fully understand why the focus of that type of criticism is all on Iowa. Sure it's valid to some extent, but it could be said just as much about a lot of other teams other than Iowa. I saw a ton of guys not from Iowa having the exact same issues last weekend. But nobody cares about the style a lot of guys from Michigan, Ok St, tOSU, ISU, even some PSU guys, wrestle. Must just be Iowa's history as the previous dynasty.

I don't think there are any AWA guys at Michigan, either.