Huh. He played 6 minutes. That might be why he was pretty much invisible.
What should be taken from this game.
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And Ulis played more because he was playing well. While it surprises me Toussaint only played 6 minutes, he hasn’t played well of late either.
To answer OPs question, 1.Keegan is great, 2. Fran is going to ride Jbo the rest of the season, regardless of how he plays, 3.Pmac is continuing to develop into a solid player, and 4.) JT is in the doghouse for some reason, although statistically playing the best of all the guards this year. Hopefully, a reporter will simply have the courage to ask Fran about it.
While I like Ulis defensively, he was shooting 32% coming into the game. I’d say both him and Joe are pretty equal defensively, both above average. Ulis at one point in the game was 1-5 or so but hit a couple in a row and got a steal and layup and it seemed to help his confidence. That’s also what happens maybe when you’re left in the game for an extended period of time. You get a chance to play through mistakes.
Ulis is above average on defense, but not equal to JT defensively. JT is extremely disruptive and might contend for the league lead in steals if given enough minutes.
You’d obviously play him INSTEAD of Jbo. Watch Sandfort, he’s not a bad defender at all. Above average on this team.
First, you absolutely can play Sandfort or Kris at the 2. They've shown they have the ball handling, defense, and outside shooting to play that position.
Secondly, Joe T leads Jbo in every single statistical category except ppg and free throw percentage. He takes less shots per game which is why his ppg is lower and his FT% is .826 versus JBo's .882.
Let's look at what Joe T does better statistically:
FG%: .457 versus .357 for JBo
(Including a 3 point % that's better than JBo!)
Rebounds: 2.1 per game versus 1.1 per game
Steals: 1.6 per game versus .6 per game
Assists: 3.8 per game versus 1.5
Mind you, Joe T is amassing these stats in 20 minutes per game versus 25.7 for JBo.
It makes ZERO sense to have JBo at point guard over Joe T.
Furthermore, we have several other players that are better outside shooters than JBo and play FAR better defense on top of it.
It is quite clear that JBo was promised a starting role and extended minutes before the season started. His extended minutes are hurting the team at this point.
Right now Jordan is better on defense than he is on offense. 36 minutes 1 assist. 2 for 7 shooting. And this was one of his better games lately.
While JBo hitting closer to his career average of 40% would be preferred, what many don't understand is how teams will defend iowa with JBo on the court vs. with JBo off the court makes a HUGE difference in how we run our offense and the spacing it provides for guys like Keegan and PMac to operate in space.
His poor percentages are not going to deter teams from not trying to crowd him on the catch and make him put in on the deck.
But did JBo need to play 36 minutes?
I'll be interested to look tomorrow after statistics are updated, what other players in the B1G in conference play only, have a MPG similar to Bohannon but are producing less, shooting worse, and/or have worse efficiencies.
How can a guy who averages the second most minutes on the team continue to contribute so little overall?
While I agree Jordan shouldn’t play the point full time anymore - I was surprised him and Perkins both started, if Toussaint wants to play more, he has to up his game offensively. He has a solid shooting percentage…shoot it more! We need more aggressive play from our guards, and we haven’t been getting that consistently from Toussaint in particular. Them not hunting shots makes it harder for the Murray brothers in particular because teams don’t fear our guards enough.
Agreed. And Jordan has shown at times that he can still get hot so teams have to respect him.
I’d love to talk to JT 1-1, full honesty. I often think he’s getting screwed…..but anytime he’s on the bench, he’s always the first to cheer and I’ve never heard word one about him looking at the portal. I’m just really impressed with his overall effort and how he appears to be as a teammate.
It's as if everything I wrote before went in one ear and out the other for you
Who of the other guards have shown consistently that they should be taking more of his minutes, especially from an scoring standpoint?
This is where I keep coming back to. Yes I agree he should play fewer minutes. But none of the other guards has stepped up on offense to shoulder that scoring load and earn those minutes. It’s a huge part of why the offense struggles at times.
Jbo hasn’t earned those minutes either. Not this year anyhow. He has simply been awful, and it’s hard to know if anyone (I suggest a pure shooter like sandfort) can produce in his place when he plays all but 5min’s! You say sandfort isn’t a guard, well he can’t shoot any worse than jbo has and I don’t think it’s really possible for him to be as poor a defender. Also it adds another rebounder that we sorely need.
This is what jbo brings to the floor right now…he takes care of the ball and he makes ft’s at the end of games. 35min to a player that provides that seems like about 25 too many imo
What I took from this game is that Fran isn't capable of making rational decisions any longer.
Only thing that I got from this game is that if JBo can play a lot of meaningful minutes for Iowa, what in the hell am I doing, pushing 50, not starting & playing all of the time for this year’s Hawkeyes?!?!
People really really love Joe T here. I think he should be playing more than 6 minutes, but the offense was being run beautifully with Ulis at PG in the 2nd half and the D was lockdown. Why would you have just stuck Joe T out there for no reason (PS why are people in this thread blaming Fran for today's minute allocations??)
I get frustrated when JBO plays 35 minutes against teams with super long athletic guards that he cannot cover, but Minnesota didn't have that so why all the complaints?
At the end of the day, I think if this team has any hope to make a run we need to see Bohannon get us 3 to 4 threes a game so might as well try to get him hot for the stretch run. I thought Ulis was great today as well, it feels a little less chaotic on the offensive end than it does sometime with Joe T.
I get frustrated when JBO plays 35 minutes against teams with super long athletic guards that he cannot cover, but Minnesota didn't have that so why all the complaints?
At the end of the day, I think if this team has any hope to make a run we need to see Bohannon get us 3 to 4 threes a game so might as well try to get him hot for the stretch run. I thought Ulis was great today as well, it feels a little less chaotic on the offensive end than it does sometime with Joe T.
Keegan, PMac, Ulis, Kris, JoeT, Sandfort, and even Connor are shooting a better 3P% in conference than JBo. Bohannon may be the best shooter on the team but what does that mean when he's not doing it and provides a less well-rounded game than the others?
How can these other guys start to shoulder the load if they're not getting the minutes and opportunities?
The thing you aren't grasping is that Joe T on the court leads to MORE points for Iowa...not less. He is facilitating. He's dropping passes to teammates and they're scoring as referenced by his 3.8 assists per game. He's not forcing low percentage shots like JBo.
Our guards don't need to force their offense. We have plenty of it work Pmac, Keegan, Kris, Sandfort, Rebraca, and Ulis. Iowa is second in the conference on scoring at 82.8 points per game.
Joe T brings plenty of offense and is a HUGE upgrade on defense which is what Iowa needs. It doesn't show up in stats but I can't tell you the number of times JBo gets broken down by a quicker guard leading to help defense and a foul or wide open shot. Joe also rebounds better.
JBo's role this year was 3 point threat/shooter. It's become very clear he isn't as good at that role as several other players on the team. So instead of sitting him, the coaching staff moves him to point guard where he's an even worse fit? At the expense of minutes from your best point guard? It truly makes no sense.
I don't know the deal with Joey T today, or all season. His play has been superior defensively and he gets the ball in motion off the dribble. Not an elite passer, like Jordan, but brings so much else to the floor. Ahron started out poorly but did have a good stretch in the second half. Jordan hasn't shot well since Wisconsin, and stat line jumps out because the rest of the conference games are mediocre to bad, like 2-14 the last two games. Jordan moves slower with the ball than we've ever seen. He struggles to get open. It's time for Joey T to start.
Ahron looked OK today. He may be the the most well-rounded point guard on the roster. Time to start Joey T and bring Ahron in for Joey's bench minutes. You hate to see a legend hang on too long, but the 2022 Jordan is a shadow of the 2020 Jordan. It is time to move to the next generation of guards.
I think it would be a good idea to maybe lighten up on "Kris Murray must start" talk. Kris has shown more than a few flashes of future excellence but he is very inconsistent. Made a couple of good plays and a big three but 1-5 shooting. Kris's learning curve simply isn't as sharp. Patrick has played steady good ball for several games in a row. Also, Kris off the bench is at least an attempt to force a change in pace.
Were I the coach my rotation would be:
Joey T about 30 minutes or at least as much as fouls permit. Then Ahron with the rest.
Tony Collins would split time with Jordan for a few more games. If some bench time doesn't help Jordan's shot I'm thinking we give Peyton and Kris and Tony C those minutes?
The same is true of Connor, split his minutes between the same three guys.
Bring in a big 'un when Filip goes out. At this point I prefer Riley, more based on Josh's performances when he's played. Riley just seems like a more skilled player with a very large frame.
Jordan and Connor would be at the end of the bench for specialty situations.
Ahron looked OK today. He may be the the most well-rounded point guard on the roster. Time to start Joey T and bring Ahron in for Joey's bench minutes. You hate to see a legend hang on too long, but the 2022 Jordan is a shadow of the 2020 Jordan. It is time to move to the next generation of guards.
I think it would be a good idea to maybe lighten up on "Kris Murray must start" talk. Kris has shown more than a few flashes of future excellence but he is very inconsistent. Made a couple of good plays and a big three but 1-5 shooting. Kris's learning curve simply isn't as sharp. Patrick has played steady good ball for several games in a row. Also, Kris off the bench is at least an attempt to force a change in pace.
Were I the coach my rotation would be:
Joey T about 30 minutes or at least as much as fouls permit. Then Ahron with the rest.
Tony Collins would split time with Jordan for a few more games. If some bench time doesn't help Jordan's shot I'm thinking we give Peyton and Kris and Tony C those minutes?
The same is true of Connor, split his minutes between the same three guys.
Bring in a big 'un when Filip goes out. At this point I prefer Riley, more based on Josh's performances when he's played. Riley just seems like a more skilled player with a very large frame.
Jordan and Connor would be at the end of the bench for specialty situations.
Who is this Tony Collins of which you speak?
I think he is the transfer who once played at Texas A&M -- I thought he was in Holland.
I watched the replay of the game and although it's the Gophers, it really appeared that the Hawks showed some toughness in the 2nd half. I have been critical of Patrick and owe him some big Kudos for how he played today. He showed some emotion and confidence that I had not seen much. He has it in him - I think he has been playing out of position and needs to gain strength and play closer to the basket. It makes you wonder if Dad not there the pressure was less. Regardless let's hope the Hawks go on a run and finish strong in the tournament. I really want to see the team play some upper B1G teams strong and get into the big tourney. DEFENSE wins championships....even in basketball.
I’m well aware of the overall strength of our offense. What I’m arguing is that there’s a ceiling to that when our guards aren’t making shots and/or Keegan gets in foul trouble. We lost to Penn state in large part imo because our guards - including Bohannon, went a combined 0-18 from the field.
And yes, Bohannon has struggled shooting. But he STILL gets a lot of attention because of his mere threat from the perimeter. No other guard we have does that. And again, I agree that unless it’s a night where Jordan is raining 3s, he shouldn’t be playing more than 25 minutes. I just don’t agree tho, that Toussaint should be either. Good defender, but so is Ulis, who I think is a better offensive threat.
I expected Toussaint to score more, consistently than he has this year.
The transfer from William & Mary (Luke Loewe) with 19 points. Jbo, Ulis, Perkins and Joe T. combined for 17, but Fran has done a hell of a job recruiting. Perkins 1-20 from 3 in his last 21. Hopefully Keegan and Pmac can carry the team.
PS-Can someone with Twitter let Jbo know he is not Steph Curry? He is a much better shooter when he squares up vs. these "I watch too much NBA" garbage step back and off balance 3's. Had some good looks last night and is rushing or hot dogging his shots.
PS-Can someone with Twitter let Jbo know he is not Steph Curry? He is a much better shooter when he squares up vs. these "I watch too much NBA" garbage step back and off balance 3's. Had some good looks last night and is rushing or hot dogging his shots.
Wait just a gosh darn minute! You are not outraged about anything???
And your 10 guys clearly don't include JBo, right? Because if it does, then....
My take;
Iowa played like a border line NIT team in first half
Iowa played like an NCAA tourney team who could win a game or two in the tourney, in the second half
Iowa played like a border line NIT team in first half
Iowa played like an NCAA tourney team who could win a game or two in the tourney, in the second half
Billy Taylor said in the postgame presser that he stayed with the group that had the 19-4 run going because he did not want to break the momentum....hence Joe T did not get in.
I believe that Taylor made those minute distribution calls on his own in the 2nd half.
He wanted to get the win first and worry about fan reactions later.
Good call Billy.
I also believe Joe's minutes will be back to normal or higher vs cat-quick PG fats Russell Thursday in Maryland.
Long season boys...this too shall pass.
I believe that Taylor made those minute distribution calls on his own in the 2nd half.
He wanted to get the win first and worry about fan reactions later.
Good call Billy.
I also believe Joe's minutes will be back to normal or higher vs cat-quick PG fats Russell Thursday in Maryland.
Long season boys...this too shall pass.
Per 40 minutes, Joe T averages 10.5 points compared to Ulis at 9.6 points. Joe T at .453 FG% to Ulis .342. So your assertion that Ulis is a greater offensive threat is off-base.
Joe also averages 7.6 assists per 40 minutes to Ulis at 6.5.
on the defensive side of the ball, Joe T averages 3.4 steals to Ulis at 1.7 per 40 minutes.
I’ll take your word for it, but by the eye test I would not have thought the offensive stats were that different. steals can be a bit misleading tho, since it means Toussaint gambles for steals more.
if Toussaint is that much a better shooter tho, I’ll stand by my statement that he needs to shoot more.
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