What should be taken from this game.

[KcTo]

Wow, there a great deal of different takes on this game, lotsa different opinions on what the main takeaway is, or should be.

1. Why did Perkins start?
I like Perkins for a number of reasons: defense, attacks rim, runs break, rebounds.
Taylor likes him enough to start him too…

2. Ahron Ulis 16 2h minutes.
i thought Ahron was instrumental in the decisive 2H run, scoring 7, plus getting 5 Rebounds, 2 steal…
I can see a future where Ahron is a very efficient scorer,w Ithaca the ability to get his own hi% FGA.
Anyone hear why Ahron got those minutes..?

3. JoBo with in empty 36minutes
I can see a world where Sandfort, Ulis, Perkins gets his minutes…

4. PMac has junked the floaters in favor of the pull up J or back to,the basket moves.
I like that change in his offensive game.

 

[texas twister]

JT is not a good shooter.

He is the best of the group and not bad.
"Joe T at .453 FG%"

 

[sober_teacher]

Wow, there a great deal of different takes on this game, lotsa different opinions on what the main takeaway is, or should be.

1. Why did Perkins start?
I like Perkins for a number of reasons: defense, attacks rim, runs break, rebounds.
Taylor likes him enough to start him too…

2. Ahron Ulis 16 2h minutes.
i thought Ahron was instrumental in the decisive 2H run, scoring 7, plus getting 5 Rebounds, 2 steal…
I can see a future where Ahron is a very efficient scorer,w Ithaca the ability to get his own hi% FGA.
Anyone hear why Ahron got those minutes..?

3. JoBo with in empty 36minutes
I can see a world where Sandfort, Ulis, Perkins gets his minutes…

4. PMac has junked the floaters in favor of the pull up J or back to,the basket moves.
I like that change in his offensive game.

for #4 - kinda wonder if some of the idea behind his reliance on floaters stemmed as a legacy of his cancer treatments and he isn’t totally confident of facing contact at times. He’s a solid defender I think (idk about how he grades out analytically), and I think he could/should be more aggressive hunting his shot - I think this is true of most of the guys.

 

[littlez]

He is the best of the group and not bad.
"Joe T at .453 FG%"

And the minute he turns the ball over or takes a shot that Fran doesn't like he's out. Normally at about the 11 minute mark in the first and half and about the same in the second. In most cases he doesn't go back in unless we are in a late press and need some defense or need to foul. Fran has played w/this kids head more than anyone out there. I've never seen anything quite like it. It would be one thing if it was an effort thing. It's clearly not that. Again, Ulis was shooting 32% going into the game yesterday. Bohannon 25% in league play. Yes, our 3 pt shooter is shooting 25% from the field. He took 7 shots yesterday and all were 3's. He made 2. I like Ulis and think he has potential. I also think the fact that they let him play through a really really bad start (1-5) I believe, kept him out there and he was able to turn it around. If Fran was out there he would have been rotated out. That is a fact because it's what he's done all year. Joe T's best game of the year if I remember correctly was the Virginia game. Fran stayed mostly w/him and he hit the game winning shot. Funny how that happens.

 

[jonesy5960]

Wow, there a great deal of different takes on this game, lotsa different opinions on what the main takeaway is, or should be.

1. Why did Perkins start?
I like Perkins for a number of reasons: defense, attacks rim, runs break, rebounds.
Taylor likes him enough to start him too…

2. Ahron Ulis 16 2h minutes.
i thought Ahron was instrumental in the decisive 2H run, scoring 7, plus getting 5 Rebounds, 2 steal…
I can see a future where Ahron is a very efficient scorer,w Ithaca the ability to get his own hi% FGA.
Anyone hear why Ahron got those minutes..?

3. JoBo with in empty 36minutes
I can see a world where Sandfort, Ulis, Perkins gets his minutes…

4. PMac has junked the floaters in favor of the pull up J or back to,the basket moves.
I like that change in his offensive game.

Does anyone really believe that Taylor had anything to do with the starting lineup yesterday?

 

[littlez]

Does anyone really believe that Taylor had anything to do with the starting lineup yesterday?

Of course not.

 

[KcTo]

Does anyone really believe that Taylor had anything to do with the starting lineup yesterday?

just listed to Taylor in the presser, it was Frans call to start Perkins

 

[CookyMonster]

Maybe Toussaint has been under the weather. I have never seen him wear a t-shirt under the jersey.

That big ass tshirt just says im here to grind. Love the look.

 

[sober_teacher]

And the minute he turns the ball over or takes a shot that Fran doesn't like he's out. Normally at about the 11 minute mark in the first and half and about the same in the second. In most cases he doesn't go back in unless we are in a late press and need some defense or need to foul. Fran has played w/this kids head more than anyone out there. I've never seen anything quite like it. It would be one thing if it was an effort thing. It's clearly not that. Again, Ulis was shooting 32% going into the game yesterday. Bohannon 25% in league play. Yes, our 3 pt shooter is shooting 25% from the field. He took 7 shots yesterday and all were 3's. He made 2. I like Ulis and think he has potential. I also think the fact that they let him play through a really really bad start (1-5) I believe, kept him out there and he was able to turn it around. If Fran was out there he would have been rotated out. That is a fact because it's what he's done all year. Joe T's best game of the year if I remember correctly was the Virginia game. Fran stayed mostly w/him and he hit the game winning shot. Funny how that happens.

It happens often enough that imo, there’s seemingly something Toussaint does or doesn’t do on a regular basis that Fran doesn’t fully trust him as a result. Down the stretch, especially if we’re ahead I think he likes Ulis more because he’s a better free throw shooter.

Idk, I loved what he brought to the table as a freshmen, last year it seemed like coming off the bench caused him to play recklessly at times and this year he just seems inconsistent and undecided when to be aggressive and shoot more vs when to run the offense.

I also believe that part of Jordan’s struggles shooting is because he’s not entirely comfortable at the 2, and also because he doesn’t have CJ and Joe W on the perimeter to divide the defense. Most of the other guys have been streaky from outside beside Keegan.

 

[jonesy5960]

It happens often enough that imo, there’s seemingly something Toussaint does or doesn’t do on a regular basis that Fran doesn’t fully trust him as a result. Down the stretch, especially if we’re ahead I think he likes Ulis more because he’s a better free throw shooter.

Idk, I loved what he brought to the table as a freshmen, last year it seemed like coming off the bench caused him to play recklessly at times and this year he just seems inconsistent and undecided when to be aggressive and shoot more vs when to run the offense.

I also believe that part of Jordan’s struggles shooting is because he’s not entirely comfortable at the 2, and also because he doesn’t have CJ and Joe W on the perimeter to divide the defense. Most of the other guys have been streaky from outside beside Keegan.

For the season Joe and Ulis are both excellent at around 82% from the line.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Who of the other guards have shown consistently that they should be taking more of his minutes, especially from an scoring standpoint?

This is where I keep coming back to. Yes I agree he should play fewer minutes. But none of the other guards has stepped up on offense to shoulder that scoring load and earn those minutes. It’s a huge part of why the offense struggles at times.

Thing is the other guards are still playing to their strengths. Out shooting is not one of them but with D, driving looking for open shooter, slashing and hustle plays using their athleticism like rebounding from Guard spot or getting steals or forcing turnovers. Jbo isn’t playing to his strength, shooting and like the other he still has his deficiencies which is on D.

 

[RocknRollface]

I wish Jordan was as good as Brad Davison.

Or any other starting guard in the conference.

 

[twindman]

It happens often enough that imo, there’s seemingly something Toussaint does or doesn’t do on a regular basis that Fran doesn’t fully trust him as a result. Down the stretch, especially if we’re ahead I think he likes Ulis more because he’s a better free throw shooter.

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because he doesn’t have CJ and Joe W on the perimeter to divide the defense. Most of the other guys have been streaky from outside beside Keegan.

I checked season stats on FT%. JoeT and Ulis are both 82%. Sandfort leads team with 92% (only 1 of 2 in B10).

 

[sober_teacher]

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I checked season stats on FT%. JoeT and Ulis are both 82%. Sandfort leads team with 92% (only 1 of 2 in B10).

Shows what I know I guess. Just always seems to feel like Toussaint is on the verge of something great or something bad, while Ulis seems to be steadier.

Especially with Bowen coming in next year, it won’t surprise me if Toussaint transfers.

 

[Rifler]

Biggest take away,... Get off your nuts and play defense, if for no other reason but to keep the team's collective head in the game for better offense.

 

[sober_teacher]

Biggest take away,... Get off your nuts and play defense, if for no other reason but to keep the team's collective head in the game for better offense.

Agreed. All other complaints aside, against most teams we’ll play, these guys have shown they’re capable of playing good defense. Effort on defense and then fighting for the rebound is what has hurt this team the most this season.

 

[Slim45]

Shows what I know I guess. Just always seems to feel like Toussaint is on the verge of something great or something bad, while Ulis seems to be steadier.

Especially with Bowen coming in next year, it won’t surprise me if Toussaint transfers.

said in another thread, my speculation is fran promised bowen the starting job next yr. He’s pushing joeT aside already. Ik im likely way off base, but with no explanation for joe playing 6min’s yesterday, this is my thought lol
I guess joe and jbo are both just getting min’s this yr based off their performance the last couple years…jbo has done nothing (shooting like garbage) this yr to deserve 30+mpg and joe has done nothing (playing far more under control) to deserve as few as he gets. Joe’s game has improved, jbo’s has regressed…makes perfect sense to bench joe!

 

[Slim45]

Agreed. All other complaints aside, against most teams we’ll play, these guys have shown they’re capable of playing good defense. Effort on defense and then fighting for the rebound is what has hurt this team the most this season.

Bohannon isn’t capable of playing good defense. We have the better part of 5 seasons of evidence that shows that. As good as some claim his d was in the 2nd half, its still miles worse than joe/ulis/perkins.

 

[Rifler]

Bohannon isn't capable of playing "great" defense,.. If he played every game like he did yesterday his defense would be "good enough".

 

[Pepperman]

We’ve had a very easy conference schedule. After beating a bad team, everything looks fine to many people here.

 

[sober_teacher]

said in another thread, my speculation is fran promised bowen the starting job next yr. He’s pushing joeT aside already. Ik im likely way off base, but with no explanation for joe playing 6min’s yesterday, this is my thought lol
I guess joe and jbo are both just getting min’s this yr based off their performance the last couple years…jbo has done nothing (shooting like garbage) this yr to deserve 30+mpg and joe has done nothing (playing far more under control) to deserve as few as he gets. Joe’s game has improved, jbo’s has regressed…makes perfect sense to bench joe!

Well, Fran wasn’t coaching yesterday so he had no say over Joes playing time. at the same time, hawks were playing lights out with Ulis and Jordan out there together so Taylor said in the postgame he chose to ride the hot lineup.

it’s weird to me. It’s been pointed out to me that Toussaints stats are better than I thought they were, but when I watch him during the game, it doesn’t feel to me like he has consistently played to that level.

personally I doubt Fran has promised a starting role to Bowen. Especially with 2 PGs already on the roster, that’s the sort of thing that would destroy team chemistry and undermine his credibility as a coach if it ever got out (and it would),

 

[HawkLogic]

I honestly don't care who plays how many minutes. I just want to win. We are 15-7 with some winnable games up ahead. We have at least 10 guys who deserve minutes. Just win.

Winning is important and winning next year is important. I don't think Playing JBO and CMAC this year has helped the winning this year .....I'm okay with CMAC playing minutes if he is 34% 3p shooter...his career tape says he isn't.

Playing JBO/CMAC big minutes it might have negative consequence with transfer out in spring. Supposedly Fran told Ulis and JoeT they would be the team PG when JBO came back.

Beating Minny was nice, but Iowa's only wins so far in B1G have been vs B1G bottom feeders and a middle of the pack Indiana team at home. The jury is still out on how good this Iowa team is.

Certainly defensive effort in 2nd half vs Minny was encouraging.

 

[sober_teacher]

Bohannon isn’t capable of playing good defense. We have the better part of 5 seasons of evidence that shows that. As good as some claim his d was in the 2nd half, its still miles worse than joe/ulis/perkins.

Well, Taylor praised his defense yesterday. The overall defense has improved enough that Jordan doesn’t have to be great, just “good enough”. this isn’t the same as last year where we had no place to hide him. No one’s saying he’s as good as Ulis, Perkins, etc. but he doesnt have to be either.

 

[hknation]

The main reason I would have for giving JBo continued minutes is that to this point, he’s been the only guard from Perkins, Toussaint and Ulis who is never afraid to shoot, and offensively, perimeter shooting is the biggest weakness of the team. His defense is okay, and we have enough other defenders out there that we can get away with hit.

Toussaint? I have mixed feelings. Love his general effort and defense, quick as any Hawkeye in recent memory…but his offense hasn’t evolved at all in 3 years. I didn’t realize until I got home from the game that he didn’t

 

[longliveCS40]

It happens often enough that imo, there’s seemingly something Toussaint does or doesn’t do on a regular basis that Fran doesn’t fully trust him as a result. Down the stretch, especially if we’re ahead I think he likes Ulis more because he’s a better free throw shooter.

Idk, I loved what he brought to the table as a freshmen, last year it seemed like coming off the bench caused him to play recklessly at times and this year he just seems inconsistent and undecided when to be aggressive and shoot more vs when to run the offense.

I also believe that part of Jordan’s struggles shooting is because he’s not entirely comfortable at the 2, and also because he doesn’t have CJ and Joe W on the perimeter to divide the defense. Most of the other guys have been streaky from outside beside Keegan.

I don't know Fran's reasons for not playing Joe T at the end of games but it isn't free throw shooting. He's 4th on the team in FT% behind JBo, Sandfort, and Perkins.

Ulis is also a good free throw shooter so any of our guards are fine at the line.

 

[Bee93]

Can we please stop with the narrative that the opposing team has to pay so much attention to Jbo that it frees up other players to work offensively? It simply is not true anymore. He might be the easiest player to guard on our team outside of CMc. We all remember his clutch shots from the past and he has been a great Hawkeye, but it is OVER.

 

[sober_teacher]

Can we please stop with the narrative that the opposing team has to pay so much attention to Jbo that it frees up other players to work offensively? It simply is not true anymore. He might be the easiest player to guard on our team outside of CMc. We all remember his clutch shots from the past and he has been a great Hawkeye, but it is OVER.

Watch games. Opposing teams still follow him closely thru screens and when he’s moving around. You may not, but they still respect his ability to shoot.

 

[Bee93]

Watch games. Opposing teams still follow him closely thru screens and when he’s moving around. You may not, but they still respect his ability to shoot.

I do watch the games. They guard him, yes, but he is extremely easy to guard. No one sics their stopper on him. The ability to create space for inside players can more effectively be done with a shooter who can actually hit threes at a respectable clip. It doesn’t have to be your point or shooting guard. What the other guards provide defensively is worth limiting Jbo’s minutes.

 

[Slim45]

Well, Taylor praised his defense yesterday. The overall defense has improved enough that Jordan doesn’t have to be great, just “good enough”. this isn’t the same as last year where we had no place to hide him. No one’s saying he’s as good as Ulis, Perkins, etc. but he doesnt have to be either.

1 half of 1 game. Why are you ok with “good enough” when he’s shooting 25% from 3 and provides little else? We have much better defenders on the bench who will probably provide more offense as well, why not play them? Joe plays excellent d every game, he never gets praised for it bc he brings it all the time.
Look, it’s this simple, for Iowa to have ANY postseason success, it’s not happening with jbo getting 30+ mpg. It just isn’t. This isn’t just about 1 game where we beat the 2nd worst team in the BIG.

 

[tippet1]

I do watch the games. They guard him, yes, but he is extremely easy to guard. No one sics their stopper on him. The ability to create space for inside players can more effectively be done with a shooter who can actually hit threes at a respectable clip. It doesn’t have to be your point or shooting guard. What the other guards provide defensively is worth limiting Jbo’s minutes.

No one on the team is a consistent shooter this year and Iowa has no real post presence to affect how teams guard on the perimeter. There is no need for teams to send help on the post so there is even less space for guys on the perimeter. Bohannon is the only player on the team with a proven history to make shots so teams are still going play him tighter. I would make Iowa have to make shots before I would start to deny guys or shade towards a shooter. Just being there on the catch is good enough this year against Iowa.

 

[Slim45]

Well, Fran wasn’t coaching yesterday so he had no say over Joes playing time. at the same time, hawks were playing lights out with Ulis and Jordan out there together so Taylor said in the postgame he chose to ride the hot lineup.

it’s weird to me. It’s been pointed out to me that Toussaints stats are better than I thought they were, but when I watch him during the game, it doesn’t feel to me like he has consistently played to that level.

personally I doubt Fran has promised a starting role to Bowen. Especially with 2 PGs already on the roster, that’s the sort of thing that would destroy team chemistry and undermine his credibility as a coach if it ever got out (and it would),

Taylor said it was frans decision (obviously) to start jbo at pg and sit joe. So yeah, he did have a direct impact on joe’s pt. Idk who’s decision it was, or why ulis entered the game b4 joe in the 2nd half, that would have been a question to ask in the presser but nobody did.
and im sure you’re right about bowen, im just having a hard time wrapping my head around joe essentially getting benched when he’s clearly been the best pg all season and jbo has clearly been the weakest link on the team.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Well, Taylor praised his defense yesterday. The overall defense has improved enough that Jordan doesn’t have to be great, just “good enough”. this isn’t the same as last year where we had no place to hide him. No one’s saying he’s as good as Ulis, Perkins, etc. but he doesnt have to be either.

This comment going out of his way to praise his D eerily reminded me of the MD game. When Fran benched Joet last 10 min who was balling out and left connor in the last 12-13 min. Iowa was on a run (Fran subbed out joe early part of it for all those arguing can’t take any one out on a run there you go) and after the game on a question on ulis Fran goes out of his way to praise connor for “directing” the zone D. That comment was as pathetic as Taylor’s yesterday. Both praising the one guy in each game that literally contributed nothing to the big run.

 

[Slim45]

Bohannon isn't capable of playing "great" defense,.. If he played every game like he did yesterday his defense would be "good enough".

Good enough for what? To offset his 25% 3pt shooting? C’mon

 

[Bee93]

No one on the team is a consistent shooter this year and Iowa has no real post presence to affect how teams guard on the perimeter. There is no need for teams to send help on the post so there is even less space for guys on the perimeter. Bohannon is the only player on the team with a proven history to make shots so teams are still going play him tighter. I would make Iowa have to make shots before I would start to deny guys or shade towards a shooter. Just being there on the catch is good enough this year against Iowa.

Well said. The question I have is does it provide more offensively for other players to have Jbo being guarded tighter by his guy than what is provided defensively by more athletic and better defensive guards?

 

[robchawk]

hopefully all you people were at the game yesterday and made this much noise.....what od we have like 4 threads that basically are all the same?

 

[wcbtee]

Bohannon for 36 minutes is ridiculous. I believe he hits his first two shots and then 0-5. It’s now apparent how Fran works. He refuses to play his best players. Joe T. playing only 6 minutes is pathetic. It makes no difference where Jordan plays, he has lost his stroke. So JBO and Uhlis account for 14 of the 18 misses and Joe T. goes to the bench? Don’t penalize the team by not putting your best on the floor. At this point in the season, JBO needs to sit.

you realize Fran wasn't at the game yesterday, right?

 

[RocknRollface]

Bohannon isn't capable of playing "great" defense,.. If he played every game like he did yesterday his defense would be "good enough".

But still worse than all the other guards on the team.

 

[robchawk]

I would encourage all of you that have these questions to call Fran during his call in show--costs you nothing no matter where you live. Put his fee to the fire and get his response to these issues.

 

[jonesy5960]

you realize Fran wasn't at the game yesterday, right?

It was pretty much a given that Joe's minutes were going to be severely limited when Fran started Jbo at the point and yes, that was Fran's decision. JBo is averaging around 32 minutes per game of late so that leaves 8 minutes at the point guard spot.

 

[RocknRollface]

No one on the team is a consistent shooter this year and Iowa has no real post presence to affect how teams guard on the perimeter. There is no need for teams to send help on the post so there is even less space for guys on the perimeter. Bohannon is the only player on the team with a proven history to make shots so teams are still going play him tighter. I would make Iowa have to make shots before I would start to deny guys or shade towards a shooter. Just being there on the catch is good enough this year against Iowa.

Not true Kris is shooting %40 and Keegan is definitely a post presence who gets swarmed when he posts up.

Yes, opponents guard Bohannon closely and they lock him up for the most part. Especially good teams.

Thats not nearly enough of an asset in and of itself to justify his pt.

Iowas guards lack of shooting is obviously an issue that limits the offense but playing the overall least effective one the majority of the minutes is not the solution.

This team has enough outside shooting with the forwards to be competitive if combined with good defense.