What should be taken from this game.

[wcbtee]

I’d love to talk to JT 1-1, full honesty. I often think he’s getting screwed…..but anytime he’s on the bench, he’s always the first to cheer and I’ve never heard word one about him looking at the portal. I’m just really impressed with his overall effort and how he appears to be as a teammate.

You realize that Joe T & Uhlis (other than yesterday) pretty much share the point this year? I like both and am fine with them splitting the pg minutes going forward, may the best man win. I am still wondering if something was wrong with Joe yesterday (illness for ex).

I understand the angst of JBo's minutes and I a fine with cutting his to give some more to Perkins, but Jordan does force teams to guard him well past the three pt line, which opens up things inside for Keagan. Perkins brings more speed and D, but not the threat from deep. He has shown some flashes this year, but I would say he getting the minutes he derserves. We don't really have a 3rd option at the 2.

At the three/four Patrick is improving and along with Kris and Keagan are arguably our best 3 players, giving the majority of the minutes to those three is logical. Sandfort is not a guard, his minutes will come at the expense of our best players, this is why he is not playing more.

I like our players at the 1, 3 & 4. We don't have many options at the 5, playing Kris there for short periods makes sense against some teams. Our play at the two needs improvement, but I am not sure what the option is there.

 

[wcbtee]

It was pretty much a given that Joe's minutes were going to be severely limited when Fran started Jbo at the point and yes, that was Fran's decision. JBo is averaging around 32 minutes per game of late so that leaves 8 minutes at the point guard spot.

And we know for a fact Joe was healthy last night? I have no idea, he seemed fine when he was in, but seems quite odd for Joe to play 19 last game (Uhlis had 27) and only 6 this game.

 

[RocknRollface]

Well said. The question I have is does it provide more offensively for other players to have Jbo being guarded tighter by his guy than what is provided defensively by more athletic and better defensive guards?

Its not just defense either, the other 3 guards can attack the rim as well and make mid range shots.

Bohannon’s contribution amounts to getting locked down.

That supposedly justifies playing 35 minutes.

 

[wcbtee]

Not true Kris is shooting %40 and Keegan is definitely a post presence who gets swarmed when he posts up.

Yes, opponents guard Bohannon closely and they lock him up for the most part. Especially good teams.

Thats not nearly enough of an asset in and of itself to justify his pt.

Iowas guards lack of shooting is obviously an issue that limits the offense but playing the overall least effective one the majority of the minutes is not the solution.

This team has enough outside shooting with the forwards to be competitive if combined with good defense.

I kind of agree, but Playing Joe/Uhlis alongside of Perkins is a decided lack of offense. Couple that with no real scoring threat at the 5, doesn't excite me. Jbo extends the floor and gives Keagan, Kris & Patrick more room in the post. I like Joe/Uhlis, Perkins, Kris, Keagan & Patrick on the floor at the same time, against some teams. It's just not sustainable.

 

[sober_teacher]

I kind of agree, but Playing Joe/Uhlis alongside of Perkins is a decided lack of offense. Couple that with no real scoring threat at the 5, doesn't excite me. Jbo extends the floor and gives Keagan, Kris & Patrick more room in the post. I like Joe/Uhlis, Perkins, Kris, Keagan & Patrick on the floor at the same time, against some teams. It's just not sustainable.

This is kind of where I’m at. I’d love to see Perkins especially see more minutes and cut into Jordan’s, but I don’t feel like Tony or any of the other guards has earned those additional minutes.

 

[jonesy5960]

And we know for a fact Joe was healthy last night? I have no idea, he seemed fine when he was in, but seems quite odd for Joe to play 19 last game (Uhlis had 27) and only 6 this game.

This isn't nearly as opaque as you're trying to make it. Fran telegraphed the benching of Joe earlier in the week when he said he was considering shaking up the starting lineup. Putting Jbo at the starting PG position pretty much sealed Joe's fate.

 

[Slim45]

This isn't nearly as opaque as you're trying to make it. Fran telegraphed the benching of Joe earlier in the week when he said he was considering shaking up the starting lineup. Putting Jbo at the starting PG position pretty much sealed Joe's fate.

Yep. And any reasonable fan has to ask, is this team really better off with jbo at the 1 (or 2) playing 30-35mpg? I, and i would argue the vast majority of fans, say the answer to that is an overwhelming NO!

 

[jonesy5960]

Yep. And any reasonable fan has to ask, is this team really better off with jbo at the 1 (or 2) playing 30-35mpg? I, and i would argue the vast majority of fans, say the answer to that is an overwhelming NO!

Of course the team isn't better off, but things like production and efficiency have become secondary considerations. Jbo is getting 30+ per game no matter what. Just gotta grin and bear it.

 

[Slim45]

Of course the team isn't better off, but things like production and efficiency have become secondary considerations. Jbo is getting 30+ per game no matter what. Just gotta grin and bear it.

Yeah he will. But it’s pathetic we have to grin and bear it. Obviously nothing anyone can say to change Frans mind, but man its just glaringly obvious he needs to be a role player. To everyone with eyes, besides Fran i guess?

 

[Slim45]

Of course the team isn't better off, but things like production and efficiency have become secondary considerations. Jbo is getting 30+ per game no matter what. Just gotta grin and bear it.

And the fact we have a handful of threads on this after a WIN, pretty much tells us where we’re at as a program. Not in a great place

 

[sober_teacher]

Yeah he will. But it’s pathetic we have to grin and bear it. Obviously nothing anyone can say to change Frans mind, but man its just glaringly obvious he needs to be a role player. To everyone with eyes, besides Fran i guess?

Just to be the devils advocate, cuz while I don’t disagree with the idea that Jordan shouldn’t play more than 25 minutes unless he’s red-hot, who has earned those minutes in his stead? Guard play has been inconsistent this year, and Jordan has the edge currently I presume, because he has Fran’s trust above everything else.

i thought earlier in the season that Perkins was making a push to eat into Jordan’s minutes, but he’s leveled off in b10 play seemingly. Now Ulis seems to be making a push. I’m not as high on Toussaint as others in this thread. so who takes those minutes at the two guard positions?

at the end of the day, this team is a bit ahead of where I thought we’d be at this point, considering all the production we lost last year. So I’m a bit confused by some of the complaints here.

 

[hawkifann]

You realize that Joe T & Uhlis (other than yesterday) pretty much share the point this year? I like both and am fine with them splitting the pg minutes going forward, may the best man win. I am still wondering if something was wrong with Joe yesterday (illness for ex).

I understand the angst of JBo's minutes and I a fine with cutting his to give some more to Perkins, but Jordan does force teams to guard him well past the three pt line, which opens up things inside for Keagan. Perkins brings more speed and D, but not the threat from deep. He has shown some flashes this year, but I would say he getting the minutes he derserves. We don't really have a 3rd option at the 2.

At the three/four Patrick is improving and along with Kris and Keagan are arguably our best 3 players, giving the majority of the minutes to those three is logical. Sandfort is not a guard, his minutes will come at the expense of our best players, this is why he is not playing more.

I like our players at the 1, 3 & 4. We don't have many options at the 5, playing Kris there for short periods makes sense against some teams. Our play at the two needs improvement, but I am not sure what the option is there.

I posted what I posted as a response to all the people who complain when JoeT’s minutes go away - I don’t get the sense that Joe T is unhappy. There was some thought that he’d hit the portal last year, but didn’t. He’s obviously competing with Ulis now and while I’m sure he wants to be out there every minute, I don’t see anything from him that indicates that he’s holding any ill-will. He busts his a$$ every chance he gets out there, playing as hard as anyone. When he’s on the bench, he’s one of the first up to celebrate when things are going well. He stays actively engaged.

Personally, I like him a lot and I think if he could get his own motor synced just a little bit better with the actual game, he still has some good upside beyond what we’ve seen…..but while he hasn’t always shot well recently, I do like what Ulis has been showing. He’s really making strides.

 

[littlez]

Just to be the devils advocate, cuz while I don’t disagree with the idea that Jordan shouldn’t play more than 25 minutes unless he’s red-hot, who has earned those minutes in his stead? Guard play has been inconsistent this year, and Jordan has the edge currently I presume, because he has Fran’s trust above everything else.

i thought earlier in the season that Perkins was making a push to eat into Jordan’s minutes, but he’s leveled off in b10 play seemingly. Now Ulis seems to be making a push. I’m not as high on Toussaint as others in this thread. so who takes those minutes at the two guard positions?

at the end of the day, this team is a bit ahead of where I thought we’d be at this point, considering all the production we lost last year. So I’m a bit confused by some of the complaints here.

The reason we are a little bit ahead of where most thought we would be is because of one player become a 1st team all American and a lottery pick. That’s it. JBO has regressed. In a big way. While I will agree that the 2 has been a pain point, pt guard with Joe and Ulis has not been bad. So our 2 guard who has been terrible moves to point, and we try Perkins at the 2. Many have been calling for more Perkins, especially for his defense. I think 8 out of 10 people would say if we were going to make a change JBO should be the 1 going to the bench. Clearly not happening. Oh well. I’ll begrudgingly watch, as I love watching Murray play.

 

[sober_teacher]

The reason we are a little bit ahead of where most thought we would be is because of one player become a 1st team all American and a lottery pick. That’s it. JBO has regressed. In a big way. While I will agree that the 2 has been a pain point, pt guard with Joe and Ulis has not been bad. So our 2 guard who has been terrible moves to point, and we try Perkins at the 2. Many have been calling for more Perkins, especially for his defense. I think 8 out of 10 people would say if we were going to make a change JBO should be the 1 going to the bench. Clearly not happening. Oh well. I’ll begrudgingly watch, as I love watching Murray play.

Sure, and while Keegan has better than expected, we still thought he’d be good, so not a huge surprise. It more or less balances out Jordan’s regression - though how much is him vs simply now being the focal point of defenses focus from the perimeter is a fair point I think.

We’ve mostly gotten more from our bench players as well than I expected. I do wish we’d just redshirted Mulvey for what little time he’s see tho.

Idk if we’re totally done with possible lineup changes for good.

 

[sober_teacher]

Its not just defense either, the other 3 guards can attack the rim as well and make mid range shots.

Bohannon’s contribution amounts to getting locked down.

That supposedly justifies playing 35 minutes.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone looked at analytics comparing his defense to prior years?

i ask again who has earned minutes at the expense of Jordan, which I agree should not be at 35 min/gm? All well and good to say he should play less, but the other guys havent exactly lit the world on fire.

 

[Slim45]

Just to be the devils advocate, cuz while I don’t disagree with the idea that Jordan shouldn’t play more than 25 minutes unless he’s red-hot, who has earned those minutes in his stead? Guard play has been inconsistent this year, and Jordan has the edge currently I presume, because he has Fran’s trust above everything else.

i thought earlier in the season that Perkins was making a push to eat into Jordan’s minutes, but he’s leveled off in b10 play seemingly. Now Ulis seems to be making a push. I’m not as high on Toussaint as others in this thread. so who takes those minutes at the two guard positions?

at the end of the day, this team is a bit ahead of where I thought we’d be at this point, considering all the production we lost last year. So I’m a bit confused by some of the complaints here.

Yeah you’re definitely right jbo has the edge because of frans trust, because it definitely isn’t based off his play. If your question is what have the other guards done to earn those minutes, my response is, what has jbo done to earn them? He’s running off his past success, and it isn’t translating to this season one bit! All the other guards are contributing more than him at this point.
And you ask who takes the min’s at the 2g, well perkins apparently because now jbo is back starting at pg! Ill still argue that sandfort could effectively play m the 2. Better size to get shots off and id bet any amt of $ he shoots better than 25% from 3, and pretty much no way he plays worse d than jbo. Seems to be a good rebounder and an effective passer as well. I actually said before the season and during non-con that this team would really struggle to shoot and here we are.
I think i would distribute the mins something like this
Joe-25-30 all at pg
Ulis-15-25 most at backup pg, maybe 5 at 2g
Perkins-10-15
Bohannon-10-15
Sandfort-5-10 at 2g with more min’s at the forward spots. At no point outside the last 2 mins and closing a game w/ ft’s should jbo be playing pg.

 

[RocknRollface]

I kind of agree, but Playing Joe/Uhlis alongside of Perkins is a decided lack of offense. Couple that with no real scoring threat at the 5, doesn't excite me. Jbo extends the floor and gives Keagan, Kris & Patrick more room in the post. I like Joe/Uhlis, Perkins, Kris, Keagan & Patrick on the floor at the same time, against some teams. It's just not sustainable.

The so called extending (getting locked down) the floor thing is of very limited benefit to the rest of the offense.

When you play Kris Pat and Keegan together the floor has plenty of spacing and im all for letting Sandfort play more too.

 

[Ronman]

I just love how some of you number guys act as if these games are being played on Strat-O-Matic.

 

[nbanflfactory]

Its not just defense either, the other 3 guards can attack the rim as well and make mid range shots.

Bohannon’s contribution amounts to getting locked down.

That supposedly justifies playing 35 minutes.

Attacking the rim and finishing at the rim aren't the same thing...and this team is incredibly poor at the finish!

 

[sober_teacher]

Yeah you’re definitely right jbo has the edge because of frans trust, because it definitely isn’t based off his play. If your question is what have the other guards done to earn those minutes, my response is, what has jbo done to earn them? He’s running off his past success, and it isn’t translating to this season one bit! All the other guards are contributing more than him at this point.
And you ask who takes the min’s at the 2g, well perkins apparently because now jbo is back starting at pg! Ill still argue that sandfort could effectively play m the 2. Better size to get shots off and id bet any amt of $ he shoots better than 25% from 3, and pretty much no way he plays worse d than jbo. Seems to be a good rebounder and an effective passer as well. I actually said before the season and during non-con that this team would really struggle to shoot and here we are.
I think i would distribute the mins something like this
Joe-25-30 all at pg
Ulis-15-25 most at backup pg, maybe 5 at 2g
Perkins-10-15
Bohannon-10-15
Sandfort-5-10 at 2g with more min’s at the forward spots. At no point outside the last 2 mins and closing a game w/ ft’s should jbo be playing pg.

I have seen nothing that says Toussaint is the guy that should be the one playing the most guard minutes.

And yeah, past performance should matter a lot. Shooting aside this year, we know that Jordan is a reliable FT shooter, good distributor and protects the ball. He also hasn’t spent as much time running the point as much as people want to believe he has this year, yesterday aside.

I love that there are people who think a true frosh, who has never played guard before, would be able to just step in and play there.

 

[Slim45]

I have seen nothing that says Toussaint is the guy that should be the one playing the most guard minutes.

And yeah, past performance should matter a lot. Shooting aside this year, we know that Jordan is a reliable FT shooter, good distributor and protects the ball. He also hasn’t spent as much time running the point as much as people want to believe he has this year, yesterday aside.

I love that there are people who think a true frosh, who has never played guard before, would be able to just step in and play there.

Well considering joe’s #’s across the board are the best of the guards…i don’t really care what you see LOL And no jbo’s past #’s mean dick for this yr, besides ft shooting, and he doesn’t even get to the line outside of the final 2mins while protecting a lead. So that shouldn’t even factor in until the final 2min of game. He’s a huge liability on d and isn’t providing anything on o to counter that. So please, what about jbo’s play THIS YR warrants 30+min’s/gm? Please, enlighten me!

 

[sober_teacher]

Well considering joe’s #’s across the board are the best of the guards…i don’t really care what you see LOL And no jbo’s past #’s mean dick for this yr, besides ft shooting, and he doesn’t even get to the line outside of the final 2mins while protecting a lead. So that shouldn’t even factor in until the final 2min of game. He’s a huge liability on d and isn’t providing anything on o to counter that. So please, what about jbo’s play THIS YR warrants 30+min’s/gm? Please, enlighten me!

According to Sports Reference, Toussaint is hardly the best “across the board”. And Jordan is averaging just over 26 min/ game, which is well below previous years. Agree to disagree that he’s a huge “defensive liability”. I think he’s okay, and as long as he isn’t asked to defend their best guy without help constantly, does just enough.

 

[Franisdaman]

said in another thread, my speculation is fran promised bowen the starting job next yr. He’s pushing joeT aside already. Ik im likely way off base, but with no explanation for joe playing 6min’s yesterday, this is my thought lol
I guess joe and jbo are both just getting min’s this yr based off their performance the last couple years…jbo has done nothing (shooting like garbage) this yr to deserve 30+mpg and joe has done nothing (playing far more under control) to deserve as few as he gets. Joe’s game has improved, jbo’s has regressed…makes perfect sense to bench joe!

You really think that Fran promised Bowen the starting job next year???

You have lost all credibility and obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Slim45]

According to Sports Reference, Toussaint is hardly the best “across the board”. And Jordan is averaging just over 26 min/ game, which is well below previous years. Agree to disagree that he’s a huge “defensive liability”. I think he’s okay, and as long as he isn’t asked to defend their best guy without help constantly, does just enough.

Jbo is a defensive liability. That is pretty much a fact at this point. In the past his shooting pretty much offset that and he was a net + most games…this year is a different story.

 

[Slim45]

You really think that Fran promised Bowen the starting job next year???

You have lost all credibility and obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Wouldn’t surprise me 1 bit if he promised that to Bowen. Pretty sure he’s done it for other recruits in the past. And your opinion means nothing to me, u act like a dam 12 yr old girl all the time on here

 

[BigTenHawkeye]

Per 40 minutes, Joe T averages 10.5 points compared to Ulis at 9.6 points. Joe T at .453 FG% to Ulis .342. So your assertion that Ulis is a greater offensive threat is off-base.
Joe also averages 7.6 assists per 40 minutes to Ulis at 6.5.

on the defensive side of the ball, Joe T averages 3.4 steals to Ulis at 1.7 per 40 minutes.

And JT's minutes are playing with the starters...let's give Ulis all JTs minutes & JT Ulis' minutes with mostly the 2's & see how they stack up. Sometimes the numbers don't always tell the whole story.

 

[Franisdaman]

Wouldn’t surprise me 1 bit if he promised that to Bowen. Pretty sure he’s done it for other recruits in the past. And your opinion means nothing to me, u act like a dam 12 yr old girl all the time on here

Wow. Just wow.

You are just showing how clueless and ignorant you are.

Your credibility was bad enough; it's only gotten worse in this thread.

And now you are only left with "dam 12 yr old girl" comments. Hell, you can't even spell "damn" correctly. You're a joke in more ways than one.

 

[KcTo]

Jbo is a defensive liability. That is pretty much a fact at this point. In the past his shooting pretty much offset that and he was a net + most games…this year is a different story.

Its hard to argue with JoBos terrible offensive numbers this year. They are very bad and call fro fewer minutes.
and Jobo can only play defense on smaller points guards, certainly not on every teams #2 as they regularly post him up forcing help defense and poor rotations.

a much better solution is to being him off the bench, particularly when Iowa in bonus or at end of game.

start Ulis, with Murray’s, PMac and Filip and watch both the offense and defense improve.

 

[sober_teacher]

Wouldn’t surprise me 1 bit if he promised that to Bowen. Pretty sure he’s done it for other recruits in the past. And your opinion means nothing to me, u act like a dam 12 yr old girl all the time on here

Again, now way that doesn’t come out if there were any truth to it.

 

[Slim45]

Wow. Just wow.

You are just showing how clueless and ignorant you are.

Your credibility was bad enough; it's only gotten worse in this thread.

And now you are only left with "dam 12 yr old girl" comments. Hell, you can't even spell "damn" correctly. You're a joke in more ways than one.

You don’t think he’s told other players they start from day 1? I didn’t realize i had credibility on this site…always thot i was just an anonymous poster like everyone giving my opinions. And everyone on this site knows how fragile your ego is. Someone calls you out, you get all dramatic like a teenage girl lol

 

[Slim45]

Again, now way that doesn’t come out if there were any truth to it.

I prefaced it with it being a long shot and me just spitballing as to why joes min’s are diminishing. If it were true, where would the rumor be confirmed/leaked from? Likely the only ppl that would know about that deal would be, bowen+his parents and fran+staff. At this point there would be no reason for it to come out, since Bowen isn’t even on campus. Do i actually think that’s what’s going on though? No

 

[BirdistheWord]

Per 40 minutes, Joe T averages 10.5 points compared to Ulis at 9.6 points. Joe T at .453 FG% to Ulis .342. So your assertion that Ulis is a greater offensive threat is off-base.
Joe also averages 7.6 assists per 40 minutes to Ulis at 6.5.

on the defensive side of the ball, Joe T averages 3.4 steals to Ulis at 1.7 per 40 minutes.

As far as scoring goes, I didnt think anyone was going to argue Ulis is a better option than Joe, though I was actually surprised how close thier Per 40 points were actually.

Ulis has struggled with his shooting, and honestly if he could make most of his bunnies would have a decent shooting percentage. He seems kind of tight on shots, hopefully can work though that. Joe has a good mid to short range. Both guys play kind of "small" near the rim.

One insight on the assists is that normally, Joe has played with starters like Keegan, PMac while Ulis normally has played with 2nd unit. Not saying its wildly big factor but a factor.

Also, they have different styles on Defense, where I would argue Ulis is a more consistent on ball defender, Joe tends to gamble for steals a lot more. Steals dont tell the whole story. I think they are pretty even (subjectively).

Ball handling, again, subjective but Ulis is a more smooth and consistent ball handler (minus the steal by the purdue big!) where Joe can be more wild and does turn the ball over more (see below)

Ulis is the stronger rebounder for sure. (see below).

Rebounds Per 40:

Ulis 5.7
Joe 4.2

Turnovers Per 40:
Joe 3.2
Ulis 2.5

In the end, both guys need to be on the floor 20+ minutes, but JBo and Connor absorb too many of those.

 

[mooresville hawk]

Wouldn’t surprise me 1 bit if he promised that to Bowen. Pretty sure he’s done it for other recruits in the past. And your opinion means nothing to me, u act like a dam 12 yr old girl all the time on here

Who has Fran promised minutes to in order to come to Iowa? That is not something I see Fran doing. Just because you do not understand Fran’s rotations does not mean minutes were promised to anyone.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

There's more to offense than scoring. Check Joe T's assist numbers and his assist to turnover ratio. He brings much more to the offense than JBo much of the time.

If you need outside shooting, play Kris and Sandfort alongside Joe T more.

Joe plays outstanding defense as well. The best of any guard we have by far.

I have no idea why we continue to play JBo extended minutes. He's supposed to be a shooter/scorer and does neither very well this season. He's a great Hawkeye but he's not the JBo of old.

Too bad JBO didn't transfer or hang up his shoes. At least we won't have to discuss his playing time next year.

 

[mooresville hawk]

Its hard to argue with JoBos terrible offensive numbers this year. They are very bad and call fro fewer minutes.
and Jobo can only play defense on smaller points guards, certainly not on every teams #2 as they regularly post him up forcing help defense and poor rotations.

a much better solution is to being him off the bench, particularly when Iowa in bonus or at end of game.

start Ulis, with Murray’s, PMac and Filip and watch both the offense and defense improve.

I would like to see Fran try that, but it appears that he feels differently.

 

[sober_teacher]

I prefaced it with it being a long shot and me just spitballing as to why joes min’s are diminishing. If it were true, where would the rumor be confirmed/leaked from? Likely the only ppl that would know about that deal would be, bowen+his parents and fran+staff. At this point there would be no reason for it to come out, since Bowen isn’t even on campus. Do i actually think that’s what’s going on though? No

you said he’s done it before in your opinion. You’re talking about teenagers here. You really think Bowen or somebody else wouldn’t have blabbed? And if it’s happened before, that stuff would have been talked about in the locker room.

 

[RocknRollface]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone looked at analytics comparing his defense to prior years?

i ask again who has earned minutes at the expense of Jordan, which I agree should not be at 35 min/gm? All well and good to say he should play less, but the other guys havent exactly lit the world on fire.

His defense is better than last year but it's still the worst of all the 4 guards in question.

Who has Jordan earned minutes at the expense of?

 

[Hawksfinal4]

I’m well aware of the overall strength of our offense. What I’m arguing is that there’s a ceiling to that when our guards aren’t making shots and/or Keegan gets in foul trouble. We lost to Penn state in large part imo because our guards - including Bohannon, went a combined 0-18 from the field.

And yes, Bohannon has struggled shooting. But he STILL gets a lot of attention because of his mere threat from the perimeter. No other guard we have does that. And again, I agree that unless it’s a night where Jordan is raining 3s, he shouldn’t be playing more than 25 minutes. I just don’t agree tho, that Toussaint should be either. Good defender, but so is Ulis, who I think is a better offensive threat.

I expected Toussaint to score more, consistently than he has this year.

6 minutes doesn’t give you much time to score unless you’re chucking up a shot every time you touch the ball

 

[sober_teacher]

6 minutes doesn’t give you much time to score unless you’re chucking up a shot every time you touch the ball

Which was the exception to the rule for this season.

 

[unoHawkeye]

you said he’s done it before in your opinion. You’re talking about teenagers here. You really think Bowen or somebody else wouldn’t have blabbed? And if it’s happened before, that stuff would have been talked about in the locker room.

Fran has a “plan” for every player coming in, and a role they can fit into the team and a timeline for them contributing. If you think that Fran’s “plan” for a guy like Tyler Cook or Adam Woodbury wasn’t something along the lines of “come in and put in the work, and you’ll be a four year starter here unless you go pro first,” then you’re out of your mind