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What should be taken from this game.

How dare we fans have an objective opinion and a discussion...



You think there are a lot of objective opinions and discussions on here?

Being objective would mean posters would be able to express themselves with only facts, without allowing personal feelings to distort those facts.

And we all know posters' personal feelings towards Fran, Fran playing his sons, JBo, etc.
 
No, I clearly responded to a post that was stating that Fran had never promised players a starting position before. I never once have mentioned Dasonte Bowen. And you of all people, with how much time you spend on this board, should know what a big fan of Toussaint I am. Why would I suggest that Fran promise Bowen a starting spot? If you are going to keep putting words into my mouth, then do me a favor and stop responding to my posts


It's very clear what you wrote. Everyone can see for themselves.

You and Slim45 are on the same page. You said it so yourself. You said Slim45's premise was accurate and his premise was that, and I quote, my speculation is fran promised bowen the starting job next yr.

You are both wrong. Period.
 
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And those of us who predicted a bubble team are correct. The difference is being a glass half full person vs a glass half empty person.

Pretty much the same thing, you say glass half full person; I say realist. It's okay, I think NIT this year, no tournament next year. We'll see one of the two tournaments the following year. We'll see...
 
Pretty much the same thing, you say glass half full person; I say realist. It's okay, I think NIT this year, no tournament next year. We'll see one of the two the following year. We'll see...
You say realist, I say pessimist. Most bracketologist have Iowa solidly in the field with the average seed as an 8. 7 or 10 would be my preference but beggars blah blah blah
 
JBo has played out of position in the past. He's a natural shooting guard. After the hip surgeries, he just can't get open consistently and when he does, he's not hitting the shots.

The reason they had him playing point last season was because we had CJ Fredrick as a pure shooting guard. It was "out of necessity" as I saw mentioned earlier. (Even though I thought last year Joe T should have gotten more minutes at the point. But I digress...

You change your style of play and your lineups to get your best talent on the court.
 
I 100% agree on this. I think some of us would also like the same opportunity for Touissant. Again, I’ll go back to Bohannon’s quote about why he came back for a 6th year. It was to play the 2 and he told Joe T the keys were being handed over to him. Guess Fran has decided otherwise. And for some of you who think Joe T will still be jumping around and cheering the rest of the season if he’s playing 6-8 minutes a game I doubt it. And I guarantee he will be gone, which at this point might be best for all involved.
Yea, Ulis went up and scored on 6 7” battle who had measured and timed his block, that’s an impressive finish at rim, probably shoulda been and AndOne for AHron

i think the jobos as #2 experiment has failed, he’s just too much of a defensive liability

 
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Again, very large difference between knowing you’re going to have a chance at a starting spot vs guaranteeing them one.

and its not like Jordan is a non entity who came from nowhere.

im sure Bowen was watched video of both these guys….well before yesterday, and believes that he’s better than them. and I’m sure Fran told him he’ll have a chance to beat them out if he works hard. I think you are 1000% wrong if you believe anything was promised him without him having to earn it.


I appreciate the fact that you are not afraid to call posters like Slim45 and UnoHawkeye out when they are flat out wrong.

They rightfully needed to be called out for this nonsense:

Slim45's premise was this: "My speculation is fran promised bowen the starting job next yr."

And UnoHawkeye's response was this: "I do believe that Slim’s premise was accurate."


I see that UnoHawkeye referred to this as something that devolved into "stamping feet." That, of course, is far from being true. We both simply called them out for statements that were completely false. And we are supposed to take them seriously moving forward?

I wish more posters were like you and were not reluctant to call stuff like this out.
 
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Technically, he’s not playing the 5 out of necessity because we have three other scholarship 5’s on the roster. He’s playing the 5 because he’s the best man at that position

I assume that by “Joe,” you mean “Jordan,” to which I would respond that I was wrong, because I was one of those people. As it turns out, Bohannon is better with the ball in his hands versus spot up shooting. That doesn’t make him the BEST option at either the one or two spot, let alone for the usage he’s receiving

I do enjoy conversing Hawk sports with you because you are capable of discussion that doesn’t devolve into stamping feet. I can also appreciate that you’re standing up for Jordan, who is a good Hawkeye going through a rough patch. I’m checking out. Have a good night

It’s as much simply not sure the other guards are clearly better options than Jordan is. Drives me nuts that we have 3 guards who are reluctant to shoot 3s.

It’s ironic tho. Last year we were begging for guards who could drive to the basket with all the shooters we had. Now we have a lineup full of guys who can drive to the basket but need more shooters.
 
It’s as much simply not sure the other guards are clearly better options than Jordan is. Drives me nuts that we have 3 guards who are reluctant to shoot 3s.

It’s ironic tho. Last year we were begging for guards who could drive to the basket with all the shooters we had. Now we have a lineup full of guys who can drive to the basket but need more shooters.
But we have shooters….
Keegan, PMac, KrIs, Sandfort….

We have guards that drive,
Ulis, Perk, JoeT

And we have guards that can’t do either ,
JoBo, CMac
 
But we have shooters….
Keegan, PMac, KrIs, Sandfort….

We have guards that drive,
Ulis, Perk, JoeT

And we have guards that can’t do either ,
JoBo, CMac
This.this.this.

Quit saying we have no shooters.
 
This.this.this.

Quit saying we have no shooters.
I know, it’s a bit simplistic how I put it. what I was meaning to say was that last year we mostly had a collection of great shooters but were largely not a threat (outside Joe W), who could also take a guy off the dribble. This year is MUCH better in that regard, but now we have 3 guards - Ulis, Perkins, and Toussaint who arent major threats to shoot at this point, so teams sag off them and clog the lanes. It’s a big reason why Keegan and Kris have been so good, they can do both. Patrick can as well, but a bit more streaky from outside.

If next year one of our centers develop, or Freeman can provide anything as a frosh, I’d really like that teams potential.
 
I know, it’s a bit simplistic how I put it. what I was meaning to say was that last year we mostly had a collection of great shooters but were largely not a threat (outside Joe W), who could also take a guy off the dribble. This year is MUCH better in that regard, but now we have 3 guards - Ulis, Perkins, and Toussaint who arent major threats to shoot at this point, so teams sag off them and clog the lanes. It’s a big reason why Keegan and Kris have been so good, they can do both. Patrick can as well, but a bit more streaky from outside.

If next year one of our centers develop, or Freeman can provide anything as a frosh, I’d really like that teams potential.
I agree to an extent but part of it is that we aren't playing the shooters we do have many minutes. (Kris and Sandfort specifically.) Instead, we're starting Perkins and JBo at the guards despite their lack of outside shooting and we're playing CMac big minutes when he's healthy despite complete lack of outside shooting from him. Keegan and PMac do both but get most of their points from slashing to the hoop.
 
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I agree to an extent but part of it is that we aren't playing the shooters we do have many minutes. (Kris and Sandfort specifically.) Instead, we're starting Perkins and JBo at the guards despite their lack of outside shooting and we're playing CMac big minutes when he's healthy despite complete lack of outside shooting from him. Keegan and PMac do both but get most of their points from slashing to the hoop.
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Kris, I’d agree should probably play more like 25 or so, but 18 is already a lot for a guy coming off the bench. Payton? Shows promise, and I’d like to see a couple more minutes per game, but 10/game is solid time for a frosh. His trouble is There’s a logjam at his position, and he doesn’t quite have enough bulk yet to play inside, not sure he’s fast enough to play guard minutes a ton either. For the most part, I don’t have a huge problem with the minutes distribution this year.
 
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Kris, I’d agree should probably play more like 25 or so, but 18 is already a lot for a guy coming off the bench. Payton? Shows promise, and I’d like to see a couple more minutes per game, but 10/game is solid time for a frosh. His trouble is There’s a logjam at his position, and he doesn’t quite have enough bulk yet to play inside, not sure he’s fast enough to play guard minutes a ton either. For the most part, I don’t have a huge problem with the minutes distribution this year.
Kris should start and play Keegan type minutes unless fouls become an issue. He's our second best player by stats and by the eye test most of the time. Argument could be made for PMac as he's really come in in the last several games. But Keegan, Kris, PMac are the core of who should start and get big minutes.

Throw Rebraca in there against teams where we need a big body for defense and rebounding. Sandfort/JBo get equal minutes depending on who is playing/shooting well. Joe T or Ulis starting is fine. I'd lean to Joe T but Ulis has been good lately. Either way, you give those guys solid minutes. Perkins has lost his way as of late but you obviously bring him in to spell Ulis or Joe T and kind of see which of those 3 has it going on a given night.

We just obviously disagree on the minute distribution that's being utilized right now.
 
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Kris should start and play Keegan type minutes unless fouls become an issue. He's our second best player by stats and by the eye test most of the time. Argument could be made for PMac as he's really come in in the last several games. But Keegan, Kris, PMac are the core of who should start and get big minutes.

Throw Rebraca in there against teams where we need a big body for defense and rebounding. Sandfort/JBo get equal minutes depending on who is playing/shooting well. Joe T or Ulis starting is fine. I'd lean to Joe T but Ulis has been good lately. Either way, you give those guys solid minutes. Perkins has lost his way as of late but you obviously bring him in to spell Ulis or Joe T and kind of see which of those 3 has it going on a given night.

We just obviously disagree on the minute distribution that's being utilized right now.
Its not that I totally disagree, but if you’re bumping Kris up 12 minutes/game from 18 > 30, those minutes are being taken from somewhere else. main one I disagree with is Payton, buts as much as I don’t know where you find those additional minutes come from.

it’s a fun exercise to take that 200 minutes available per game and see how quickly those go away. Keegn, Kris and Patrick as is already account for 73 of that total. So while I can get behind Jordan losing a few minutes, just not as much as you, I’m not sure where you find the additional minutes for Kris, Payton and Toussaint you seem to want.
 
I know, it’s a bit simplistic how I put it. what I was meaning to say was that last year we mostly had a collection of great shooters but were largely not a threat (outside Joe W), who could also take a guy off the dribble. This year is MUCH better in that regard, but now we have 3 guards - Ulis, Perkins, and Toussaint who arent major threats to shoot at this point, so teams sag off them and clog the lanes. It’s a big reason why Keegan and Kris have been so good, they can do both. Patrick can as well, but a bit more streaky from outside.

If next year one of our centers develop, or Freeman can provide anything as a frosh, I’d really like that teams potential.
sag off. They sag off cmac, there is no real difference in how the defense plays the other three, including jbo. Some see a guy running off screens and someone chasing them and think see, they're really paying attention to jbo, when they are just playing man defense. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sagging off mean you shouldn't be able to drive and playing tight to a shooter means they should be able to drive. That doesn't fit your and frans view of the game.
 
sag off. They sag off cmac, there is no real difference in how the defense plays the other three, including jbo. Some see a guy running off screens and someone chasing them and think see, they're really paying attention to jbo, when they are just playing man defense. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sagging off mean you shouldn't be able to drive and playing tight to a shooter means they should be able to drive. That doesn't fit your and frans view of the game.
But watch how teams chase players. If you worry about a guy attack the basket coming off a screen, you’re likely to go under a screen to cut off the line. If you’re worried about a shooter, you’ll try to fight thru the screen to give him less space.

opponents will often give 3-5’ to Toussaint because they’re not concerned about him shooting but dont want to give him the lane. Iowa does the same thing with shooters they fear or dont.
 
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sag off. They sag off cmac, there is no real difference in how the defense plays the other three, including jbo. Some see a guy running off screens and someone chasing them and think see, they're really paying attention to jbo, when they are just playing man defense. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sagging off mean you shouldn't be able to drive and playing tight to a shooter means they should be able to drive. That doesn't fit your and frans view of the game.

This is not true. The announcers even mentioned during the game that the Gophers were sagging off of one of Tony or Joe and daring them to shoot. I realize you are not going to give JBo credit and I do think JBo's minutes need to be cut, but saying defenses play him the same as Joe, Ahron and Tony is foolish. Other coaches are smart enough to know that they need to guard against Joe, Ahron and Tony from driving to the basket and want to force them to beat them from the outside. Hopefully, Joe, Ahron and Tony can do this. The shot Ahron made on Sunday was a good step. Tony and Joe have hit a few as well. They have not shown that they can do it consistently though. It would be nice to see what JBo could do if teams gave him more open looks from the outside.
 
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I think Freeman is a 23 recruit
You are correct. I bet Rebraca who has an extra year if he wants stays. Plus with Keegan 99.99% chance of going pro Fran would be wise to hit portal for a veteran big man. I think Rebraca would be a lot better served at the 4 instead of the 5. Same with Kris. Have Dix and Bowen and we have Connor, JBo and Ash as Seniors.
 
You are correct. I bet Rebraca who has an extra year if he wants stays. Plus with Keegan 99.99% chance of going pro Fran would be wise to hit portal for a veteran big man. I think Rebraca would be a lot better served at the 4 instead of the 5. Same with Kris. Have Dix and Bowen and we have Connor, JBo and Ash as Seniors.

Sorry for getting that wrong before, for some reason I thought we had a big man coming in next year.

Hopefully Ogundele or Mulvey progress next year. With Keegan presumably leaving, that should open it up for Kris to move to that spot.

Depending on who we end up losing in transfer portal as well of course.
 
Sorry for getting that wrong before, for some reason I thought we had a big man coming in next year.

Hopefully Ogundele or Mulvey progress next year. With Keegan presumably leaving, that should open it up for Kris to move to that spot.

Depending on who we end up losing in transfer portal as well of course.
Yeah we need Josh O or Mulvey to step up next year. Like I said would benefit kris and rebraca alot. It looks like it could be a down year losing Keegan but you never know. Just takes getting one guy in the portal. Iowa fans can say what they want but look what Brockington has done for ISU. They are going to be a tourney team and without him would be a .500 or below. Maybe Fran can convince someone to come to Iowa to be the go to guy, not holding my breath on that, but you never know.
 
It was pretty much a given that Joe's minutes were going to be severely limited when Fran started Jbo at the point and yes, that was Fran's decision. JBo is averaging around 32 minutes per game of late so that leaves 8 minutes at the point guard spot.

Billy Taylor dished out the minutes yesterday, I
The so called extending (getting locked down) the floor thing is of very limited benefit to the rest of the offense.

When you play Kris Pat and Keegan together the floor has plenty of spacing and im all for letting Sandfort play more too.
Sure but Sandfort isn't a two.... I want Keagan Kris & Patrick on the floor 28+ mins per game each. I think Uhlis, Joe T and Perkins have potential, but aren't quite there yet. Need a post player who can rebound and play some D to compliment Rebracca. Need a scorer at the off guard. Too many holes this year, but in all honesty this team has exceeded my expectations.
 
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Yeah we need Josh O or Mulvey to step up next year. Like I said would benefit kris and rebraca alot. It looks like it could be a down year losing Keegan but you never know. Just takes getting one guy in the portal. Iowa fans can say what they want but look what Brockington has done for ISU. They are going to be a tourney team and without him would be a .500 or below. Maybe Fran can convince someone to come to Iowa to be the go to guy, not holding my breath on that, but you never know.

Between Kris Patrick and Sandfort I think we’ll be okay losing Keegan. Hopefully Bowen and or Dix can push the returning guys as well. Biggest thing we need is to find a big man, whether it’s Josh O or Mulvey, or someone in the transfer portal, so that Rebraca can play the 4. Biggest weakness this year is not having a guy to fight it out in the post.
 
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Billy Taylor dished out the minutes yesterday, I
Sure but Sandfort isn't a two.... I want Keagan Kris & Patrick on the floor 28+ mins per game each. I think Uhlis, Joe T and Perkins have potential, but aren't quite there yet. Need a post player who can rebound and play some D to compliment Rebracca. Need a scorer at the off guard. Too many holes this year, but in all honesty this team has exceeded my expectations.
Nope. Fran benched Joe and gave his PG spot to Jbo. Taylor said the same after the game I believe.
 
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Nope. Fran benched Joe and gave his PG spot to Jbo. Taylor said the same after the game I believe.
I just hope come Thursday we see either JoeT or Ulis starting instead of Perkins. Especially with their guards being the strength of their team. Because I know Fran won't bench his other son Jbo, but we don't need him at PG anymore.
 
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I just hope come Thursday we see either JoeT or Ulis starting instead of Perkins. Especially with their guards being the strength of their team. Because I know Fran won't bench his other son Jbo, but we don't need him at PG anymore.
Maybe. I honestly don't see many changes going forward with Fran's reticence to change starting lineups in the first place. IMO this change at PG had less to do with Joe and more to do with seeing if Jbo could break out of his season long slump. I think this thing is pretty much baked with Joe not getting any starts going forward. Fran has Jbo penciled in at PG now and Joe really isn't a 2 so his hours are going to be limited going forward. Maybe flip Perkins and Ulis. I really don't have much of an idea what he does there.
 
Maybe. I honestly don't see many changes going forward with Fran's reticence to change starting lineups in the first place. IMO this change at PG had less to do with Joe and more to do with seeing if Jbo could break out of his season long slump. I think this thing is pretty much baked with Joe not getting any starts going forward. Fran has Jbo penciled in at PG now and Joe really isn't a 2 so his hours are going to be limited going forward. Maybe flip Perkins and Ulis. I really don't have much of an idea what he does there.

The change was meant to spark the team at the start of the game.
I’d expected to start Kris over Rebraca personally. I’d maybe try Ulis over Joe T as well.

Not sure why they’ve seemingly struggled so much to start games.
 
The change was meant to spark the team at the start of the game.
I’d expected to start Kris over Rebraca personally. I’d maybe try Ulis over Joe T as well.

Not sure why they’ve seemingly struggled so much to start games.
You have your opinion. I have mine. IMO this was all about getting JBo more opportunities with the ball in his hands.
 
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You make it sound so nefarious.
Huh. I'd call it realistic and completely logical based upon how the year has gone. Up to this point it's been Joe and Ulis splitting the point. Jbo hasn't been productive at the 2, so instead of cutting his minutes a decision was made by Fran to move Jbo back to the point to see if it helped his game. It certainly wasn't done to see what Joe and Ulis could do at the 2. They are both pure point guards. What's nefarious about it exactly?
 
You have your opinion. I have mine. IMO this was all about getting JBo more opportunities with the ball in his hands.

Rob Howe said that Fran was frustrated with the ball movement as Joe is dribbling too much. The thought was that JBo would help move the ball from side to side better, which would help open up driving lanes for Keegan and Patrick. Another benefit may have been getting JBo better shots as well. Pat Harty also mentioned last week that he was hearing that JBo would start last Sunday as well.
 
Yea, Ulis went up and scored on 6 7” battle who had measured and timed his block, that’s an impressive finish at rim, probably shoulda been and AndOne for AHron

i think the jobos as #2 experiment has failed, he’s just too much of a defensive liability




How was that not called an ‘and one’? If that is not a foul, what is?
 
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Rob Howe said that Fran was frustrated with the ball movement as Joe is dribbling too much. The thought was that JBo would help move the ball from side to side better, which would help open up driving lanes for Keegan and Patrick. Another benefit may have been getting JBo better shots as well. Pat Harty also mentioned last week that he was hearing that JBo would start last Sunday as well.
Joe is dribbling too much...? What does he think about patrick? A conduit for information can still spread bad information that someone wants out there.
 
Seems pretty clear to me that he’s a small forward.
Seems pretty clear to me that Sandfort is a guard. Listed as such on a lot of sites and position-wise, he's playing on the perimeter taking outside shots mainly. He's taken 90 FG attempts and 61 of them are three pointers...
 
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Seems pretty clear to me that Sandfort is a guard. Listed as such on a lot of sites and position-wise, he's playing on the perimeter taking outside shots mainly. He's taken 90 FG attempts and 61 of them are three pointers...
To me he is a guard in a forward body with okay ball handling skills.
 
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