What would you do if your child came out as transgender?

[Dr. Phil Seuss]

Let’s assume for purposes of discussion it is a mental illness.

Do you discard others in your family with other types of mental illness? Question whether it’s legit? Tell them to suck it up, don’t be a wuss?

Not a doctor. Not an expert on trans people. Just my layman observation.Gender dysphoria is definitely a mental condition. I’d stop short of calling it alone a disorder in this day and age based on melding of gender roles in modern families.

At the level of sexual reassignment surgery, it is a complete incongruence of a human being's psychological and biological existences, culminating in a refusal to accept their physical genetic makeup, changing physical appearance to become the opposite sex with modern surgical procedures and pharmaceuticals. I understand why some people consider this a disorder.

 

[TarponSpringsNole]

There is no test for autism either, is it not real? @TarponSpringsNole , did social media and phones make you transgender?

Obviously, no social media in the mid 70s. I wish I knew the cause, but I don’t, and fixed it the best way that I could.
I really don’t take issue with those that disagree with my decision, but in the last few years there has been a noticeable increase in enmity for the trans community.

 

[onlyTheObvious]

There is no test for autism either, is it not real? @TarponSpringsNole , did social media and phones make you transgender?

If the treatment for autism was genital mutilation and puberty blockers I would be against treating autism also.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

So after watching your guy on the right

stumble around like a complete moron for the last 60 days, who can’t speak and is almost 80 years old

you’re telling me the other person is undeserving of her role?

Potential role as President of the United States?

Sure thing. Oh, and it’s common sense to vote for a guy who championed January 6th.

Right on brother.

"But I thought you said you were a Trump Guy/MAGAt/Biden Boy/Libtard/etc etc etc"

To everyone that can't read, comprehend the plain and clear English words displayed before them, nor understand subtlety..........................................

 

[gohawks50]

Obviously, no social media in the mid 70s. I wish I knew the cause, but I don’t, and fixed it the best way that I could.
I really don’t take issue with those that disagree with my decision, but in the last few years there has been a noticeable increase in enmity for the trans community.

Exactly, I'm sure you'd be fine with people disagreeing with your choices, everyone has a right to their opinion. However, painting transgender people as evil and dangerous for political gain is despicable. Why can't people today live and let live?

 

[gohawks50]

If the treatment for autism was genital mutilation and puberty blockers I would be against treating autism also.

Less that 20% of transgender people have bottom surgery and puberty blockers don't do anything for adults. I bet you are okay with autistic children taking medication to manage their condition, but against children with gender dysphoria taking puberty blockers, why?

 

[stanzithemanzi12]

Why don't we go ask the question in Palestine or anywhere in the Middle East and see what kind of answers we get? The same folks who love to bend a knee to the rainbow Jihad come from the exact same ilk that loves to sympathize with anything anti-America in the Middle East.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Nah, you are still a coach.

I'll coach my kids until I die.

They certainly don't have to listen to me, but I'll allows give them coaching. To me, that's what parents do.

Indeed. I just meant that you become more of an "armchair QB/coach" the older they get, as you're (hopefully) less "involved in the game" so to speak.

 

[ButtersHawk]

Less that 20% of transgender people have bottom surgery and puberty blockers don't do anything for adults. I bet you are okay with autistic children taking medication to manage their condition, but against children with gender dysphoria taking puberty blockers, why?

The autism/med comparison doesn't track. The only medication for autistic children is meds to help with irritability and aggression.

You are equating a medical regimen of stopping human nature with a medication to help someone calm down.

 

[gohawks50]

The autism/med comparison doesn't track. The only medication for autistic children is meds to help with irritability and aggression.

You are equating a medical regimen of stopping human nature with a medication to help someone calm down.

Irritability and aggression aren't human nature?

 

[ButtersHawk]

Irritability and aggression aren't human nature?

Lmao ok man

 

[HawkMachine]

So basically, a screwed up person raised screwed up kids. Damn, didn’t see that one coming.

Pretty much.

Before I met her, she spent time in the loony bin. Like several months. 100% serious.

Her ultra left atheist hippy parents brought her up this way.

She's weird and wanted no kids. He sister is weird and has no kids.

She ended up having two (ex husband talked her into it) and she has them all confused.

I would have no issue if they really were gay or trans. But I doubt it. The one out of state is already changing what/who she likes.

She's seriously raised them like this. Men are basically evil. Why would you ever want to date one?

 

[gohawks50]

Lmao ok man

Why do you think it's so important for puberty to happen before 18? What's the harm in pausing human nature for a few years while the brain matures?

 

[ButtersHawk]

Why do you think it's so important for puberty to happen before 18? What's the harm in pausing human nature for a few years while the brain matures?

Just don't believe with messing with basic human nature.

 

[Rifler]

What's the harm in pausing human nature for a few years while the brain matures?

Excellent question,.. too bad we don't have the definitive answer on the long term effects of puberty blockers.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Transitioning is a treatment to the condition. The condition is Gender Dysphoria. They have no choice in the condition there either.

Gender dysphoria is defined as the distress caused by a discrepancy between a person’s gender identity and the one assigned to them at birth.

Sounds like there's no choice to me.........

Would you ever consider telling an autistic person to go to church and stop being autistic?

Ya know, it's funny. The "gal" that wrote one of the definitive early books on gender dysphoria stated that she used to go to church and pray "Please God make me into a girl".

 

[gohawks50]

Just don't believe with messing with basic human nature.

So it's just because you believe it's wrong. Can you see the possible benefits for adolescents with gender dysphoria such as pausing breast growth, widening of hips, facial hair, lowering of the voice, and the broadening of shoulders?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

[My religion is] based on a real historical person.

So is Nazism. Up to you whether you buy into either one.

 

[gohawks50]

Excellent question,.. too bad we don't have the definitive answer on the long term effects of puberty blockers.

Going to be hard to find out the long term effects when governments are banning their use.

 

[RileyHawk]

Excellent question,.. too bad we don't have the definitive answer on the long term effects of puberty blockers.

So ignorant.

Puberty blockers have been used since the 1970s to treat children with precocious puberty, and since the late 1980s to study their use in trans youth

 

[ButtersHawk]

So it's just because you believe it's wrong. Can you see the possible benefits for adolescents with gender dysphoria such as pausing breast growth, widening of hips, facial hair, lowering of the voice, and the broadening of shoulders?

No clue just stating what I believe. For the record I have a post on the last page about how i'd love and support my kid if one of them came out as trans so basically I support OP on the issue.

I also have a child with autism. I'm just saying I think there has to be a better comparison to puberty blockers than an autistic child on 1 available med.

 

[Rifler]

Going to be hard to find out the long term effects when governments are banning their use.

Why do you suspect that is occurring in some countries?

 

[Here_4_a_Day]

Obviously, no social media in the mid 70s. I wish I knew the cause, but I don’t, and fixed it the best way that I could.
I really don’t take issue with those that disagree with my decision, but in the last few years there has been a noticeable increase in enmity for the trans community.

Probably because you assholes want to be saluted for ruining women's athletics, burdening the healthcare system while increasing everyone's costs and attacking anyone who doesn't believe this nonsense.

 

[RileyHawk]

Why do you suspect that is occurring in some countries?

Religion and ignorance.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Jesus is indeed historical.

I'm confused. Was Jesus transgender?

I thought that was the topic.

Then again, what would Jesus say about transgenderism? Pretty sure he was silent on the subject - although from the company he kept, it seems likely he was fine with homosexuality and prostitution. So would we expect him to be tolerant? Supportive? Repulsed?

Would Jesus think it was a disease and try to "cure" transgenders?

Are there demons to be cast out?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

That being said, there are many, many worse things than being trans like a pedophile, serial killer, terrorist, etc.

This is a long thread and I'm new to it.

Is it safe to assume you have been sufficiently chastised for this comment, and have repented?

 

[BrianNole777]

I'm confused. Was Jesus transgender?

I thought that was the topic.

Then again, what would Jesus say about transgenderism? Pretty sure he was silent on the subject - although from the company he kept, it seems likely he was fine with homosexuality and prostitution. So would we expect him to be tolerant? Supportive? Repulsed?

Would Jesus think it was a disease and try to "cure" transgenders?

Are there demons to be cast out?

Jesus was silent on incest as well but that doesn't mean He would approve.

 

[Rifler]

Jesus was silent on incest as well but that doesn't mean He would approve.

Doesn't mean he wouldn't approve either...

 

[BrianNole777]

Doesn't mean he wouldn't approve either...

That's exactly what I posted lol

 

[gohawks50]

Why do you suspect that is occurring in some countries?

I haven't studied other countries. I respect how you said you would handle your child being transgender and I respect your decision that your child would not receive puberty blockers. I also respect @Gimmered 's family's decision to allow their transgender child to take puberty blockers. I think every family should have the right to make the decision they believe is best for situation, I don't believe in the government taking those decisions out of their hands. I'd feel the same way if the government was forcing families to give their children puberty blockers.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

Love them. That's what you do.

THIS ^

 

[BrianNole777]

This is a long thread and I'm new to it.

Is it safe to assume you have been sufficiently chastised for this comment, and have repented?

Not quite.

What do you disagree with?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I think every family should have the right to make the decision they believe is best for situation

Seems to me that this position is only acceptable when we don't know enough to know what's right. That's the position I'm in: I don't know enough. But maybe the information I lack is out there and it is possible to make a definitive call.

If there's a right answer and a wrong answer on transgender transitioning, we should support the right one and restrict the wrong one. Duh.

I don't know enough to know if there is a right answer. But I do have a problem with letting an undeveloped mind make radically transforming decisions. The more radical the transformation, the more reluctant I am.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Not quite.

What do you disagree with?

Here's what you said:

"there are many, many worse things than being trans like a pedophile, serial killer, terrorist, etc."

It may not have been your intention but you grouped trans with things we all agree are horrible. As opposed to things we may not agree with, or prefer.

Yes, you said those are worse. But that wording implied that being trans is also bad.

You could have grouped trans decisions with, say, cosmetic surgery, choice of religion, or taste in literature. Those are also things people can strongly differ on, and some can cause permanent change. But they aren't inherently horrible, so that making those comparisons doesn't imply that what you are comparing them with - transgenderism - is also horrible.

 

[BrianNole777]

Here's what you said:

"there are many, many worse things than being trans like a pedophile, serial killer, terrorist, etc."

It may not have been your intention but you grouped trans with things we all agree are horrible. As opposed to things we may not agree with, or prefer.

Yes, you said those are worse. But that wording implied that being trans is also bad.

You could have grouped trans decisions with, say, cosmetic surgery, choice of religion, or taste in literature. Those are also things people can strongly differ on, and some can cause permanent change. But they aren't inherently horrible, so that making those comparisons doesn't imply that what you are comparing them with - transgenderism - is also horrible.

I think being trans is sad based on the social sciences I've linked in this thread.

That being said, I think trans people should be treated respectfully.

They have free will and if they want to be trans, that's their right.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I think being trans is sad based on the social sciences I've linked in this thread.

That being said, I think trans people should be treated respectfully.

They have free will and if they want to be trans, that's their right.

On the flip side, if God wanted them to be a woman, He would have made them a woman. Who are they to question God's design?

And don't get me started on the parents who would spit on God's design just because their child expressed feelings of unhappiness about their gender.

[You know, of course, that I don't buy this view; but I'm sure many do.]

 

[gohawks50]

Seems to me that this position is only acceptable when we don't know enough to know what's right. That's the position I'm in: I don't know enough. But maybe the information I lack is out there and it is possible to make a definitive call.

If there's a right answer and a wrong answer on transgender transitioning, we should support the right one and restrict the wrong one. Duh.

I don't know enough to know if there is a right answer. But I do have a problem with letting an undeveloped mind make radically transforming decisions. The more radical the transformation, the more reluctant I am.

I support treatment that is not permanent for individuals under 18, like counseling, being able to dress as their preferred gender, choose a name they feel is appropriate, and puberty blockers which are reversable. I think the most important thing to do is to acknowledge that their feelings are real and that they are loved no matter what.

 

[Stoopsbrother]

You obviously love them & let them know you are there for them but.... Get them to a therapist asap! There is no such thing as transgender, just confused youths.

whatever you do don't start pumping drugs & hormones into them it will only make things worse.

 

[bdcolt45er]

You obviously love them & let them know you are there for them but.... Get them to a therapist asap! There is no such thing as transgender, just confused youths.

whatever you do don't start pumping drugs & hormones into them it will only make things worse.

Does Better Help have filters for "just confused youth" counseling?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I support treatment that is not permanent for individuals under 18, like counseling, being able to dress as their preferred gender, choose a name they feel is appropriate, and puberty blockers which are reversable. I think the most important thing to do is to acknowledge that their feelings are real and that they are loved no matter what.

I'm totally on board with name, image and likeness - see what I did there? - but less comfortable with puberty blockers. When would they be started? Are they really reversible?

Which is "worse": taking the drugs and then changing your mind or not taking the drug and still wanting to transition?