finishing 130th in the nation on offense is emotionally violent
What's the Holdup Making Coaching Changes?
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Would you fire your son? That is assuming that he hasn't done anything to be fired for cause like showing up to practice drunk or made racial slurs to players? OK. Skip that last one.. In any case, I don't believe that Kirk is going to put anything before family. I get why people are mad, but most people would put family first, and that's just a fact.
Look at the top 8 teams on average the last 10 years. What is their average recruiting ranking and then look at ours. Then also look where most every 5 star kid in highschool has come out of the last 10 years (hint mostly all south and south east with California also having its share) and you wanna try to get those kids here to Iowa City??? Damn near impossible task without a boat load (barge load) of cash and prizes.
Now that it is legal for fans to put the cash in the football ATM to get recruits its time to put up or watch things stay the same.
Of course we should not overlook the negative effect on recruiting that our wretched, godforsaken, desolate CLIMATE has.
(I just moved 7000+ tons of snow.)
What if we get the right coach? What 8f the genius stays? What if Iowa can compete...
Optomism vs pessimism. Enjoy your doomed visionary mindset.
Michigan and Ohio get as much or more snow then Iowa. Hell Southbend is that as well and you can throw Nebby in the shitty weather category and nothing else in the state (yet they pull in recruits).
Correct but KF made this hire and continues to employ his kid. He had to have some thought of what he'd do if this didn't work out.
It's a crutch.
I know this might sound crazy, but my guess is no he did not consider this as a possibility. If he did I doubt he makes the hire in the first place. I think that Kirk probably believed in his son and in his own ability to cover for any potential weaknesses. From this perspective Kirk would see Brian's failure as his failure. They sink or swim together.
You might be right. What a mess Barta has created/allowed to happen.
It’s Kirk’s offense. I will say this over and over and over. Kirk chooses the QB that starts. Ken O Keefe recruited and eval’ed QBs for Kirk. Kirk chose our current center. That was not Brian’s idea. I think Polasek is the one that broke our OL recruiting. I have heard he was abrasive. Opposite of Reese Morgan type. Yes Kirk chose Polasek as OL coach but I think thankfully he is gone.
Why doesn’t Kirk fire Brian???? Keep this a secret, but it’s because the offense is Kirks and Brian is doing what Dad tells him to do. Shocking huh?
Including winning the winnable games. Lost 3 of them last year because of this middle school offense.
Well, I did say Iowa can't consistently reel in 5* players.
Iowa has already proven you can be a Top 10 team without a roster full of 5 stars. Under Phil, the Hawks have consistently fielded an above average or better defense (without a bunch of 5 star players!). Not having at least an average offense has cost Iowa 2-3 Big 10 championship game appearances over the past several years.
No, Iowa probably will never be a national title contender. But they can be (and have been) a Top 10 team, without 5* players.
But I agree in order to compete now and in he future, it will take money. And Iowa needs to be a player in the NIL game.
As for getting kids to come to Iowa City........I know basketball is different, but ISU seems to have no problem getting top recruits. And they have gotten some pretty good skill position players in football, too.
ISU does play the transfer game in basketball. And we kicked their asses in December.
What is their ranking compared to Iowa? And when did they last make a Sweet 16? Has Iowa made a Sweet 16 lately?
One game doesn't mean anything. Iowa lost to ISU in football, but had a far superior season.
Another issue, in addition to the climate, is our antiquated, predictable, shitshow offensive scheme.
Bad climate, antique offense, woefully inadequate OLine, and incompetent (offensive) coaches are not a winning combination on the recruiting trail.
Can we see how the year plays out? We did win a Big Ten title last year.
I never said Iowa won't/can't end up having a good season. Not once.
But ISU is ranked in the Top 15 right now and they were in the Sweet 16 last season, whereas it has been over 20 years since Iowa has. Those are indisputable facts. Irrelevant to how the rest of the season goes, but facts nonetheless.
That is precisely why I began with the list of schools that followed your search for the "right coach". There aren't very many of them, literally probably not 100 in the entire United States. All of those coaching changes began with the hope, not knowledge because future performance is tautologically unknowable, of something better than they had. Every one of those coaching changes failed to even reach Iowa's current level of success. Since failure is much more probable than success (e.g. all the coaching failures I cited-and that is just the tip of the iceberg) moving from our current coach to another risks the success we have, and we're a top 30 program, in the gamble of doing better. Since the risk of failure is much higher than the probability of success you are proposing a course of action based entirely on the hope that somehow, Iowa beats the odds, again.
Your continued inability to address even one of Iowa's disadvantages and how those disadvantages are getting worse not better shows your ideas are built on hope; and hope is not a strategy. My grandfather owned a casino and we've been in gambling since the grandparents arrived from Greece. Your kind of thinking made us rich. Split those sixes and hope for a five card under, right?
Your continued inability to address even one of Iowa's disadvantages and how those disadvantages are getting worse not better shows your ideas are built on hope; and hope is not a strategy. My grandfather owned a casino and we've been in gambling since the grandparents arrived from Greece. Your kind of thinking made us rich. Split those sixes and hope for a five card under, right?
If obfuscating has an attitude of hope, then you have an attitude of fear.
And for the record, I am not calling for a head coaching change.
Your dribble is crazy. You could say all your nonsense in a couple of sentences. Why do you think you have to write a book to make a simple point?
BORING!!!!
Day-um! GOT to give him some bonus points for the contextually proper use of the word tautologically!!! SIX syllables!!!
In a sense, yes. I fear that a coaching change will result in the Alford/Lickliter years. Except its so much harder to turn a football team around because you need so many more good players.
This is the difference between his hope and my fear. Statistical probability of the outcomes. That is what differentiates my rational fear of a big regression and his irrational hope that Iowa beats the long odds against a coaching change improving our position. A new coach's failure, anywhere, is far greater than the probability of success.
Surrendering to an emotional impulse without engaging in risk or cost/benefit analysis is fundamentally irrational. You can tell Ob has not even contemplated the downside or the hurdles any Iowa coach faces. For example, any HC coaching change means PP is gone too. So, we won't have that factor, the highly probable existence of an excellent defense every season.
But, dream on, dreamers. There's a magic coach out there that can overcome Iowa's small size, small budget, small media footprint and shitty weather. There might even be such a coach out there but given the strong probability we don't find him I am unwilling to risk what we have, which is a nice top 30 program that wins 8-10 games most years on the long shot of something better and the risk of something much worse.
Here's a test, and be truthful. Would you go down a cave to find $1B in gold bars and tax free if you knew you had a 3% chance of finding it and a 97% chance of being killed by pitfalls or big predators?
Cincinnati and TCU made the playoffs the last two seasons, obviously it is unreasonable to expect Iowa to reach that level. If Iowa could only get into a conference with the highest level of revenue.
I guess it is easier to keep the OC of one of the worst offenses in CFB, and a basketball coach that has never made the Sweet 16. Just keep the status quo. Too risky otherwise
I guess it is easier to keep the OC of one of the worst offenses in CFB, and a basketball coach that has never made the Sweet 16. Just keep the status quo. Too risky otherwise
See that the Dolphins have fired Steve Ferentz. He is now available for Kirk to hire (of course "reporting" to Gary Barta).
Agree. This dumb "we kicked their ass in one game" mentality. Who gives a shit. Clowns would make the final 4 and iowa fans would be pounding their chest over 1 game.
JFC. Let's stay mediocre out of fear!!! TCU fired a tenured successful coach and gasp! Look what happened.
It happens all the time in the coaching profession. Especially in football which is chock full of nepotism, inbreds, and retreads.
Do you think they will ever be back? Were they ever at the level before? Flash in the pan. Also, Cinncy was propelled by the growing backlash against only P5 representation in the playoffs.
Just more satisfied by steady success than one shining moment.
Iowa is not mediocre. You think its mediocre because 8-10 win seasons has become our baseline. There are probably 100 schools or more that would trade places with us in a heartbeat. In our conference alone, Minnesota, Maryland, Rutgers, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana and even Nebraska would have worse records. Michigan State might trade us. They've had a higher high with the playoff game and some really good seasons. But they have also had some bad seasons, like the season just past at 5-7, and a few terrible seasons.
Dream of glory boys but under no circumstances should you even contemplate not complaining.
Dream of glory boys but under no circumstances should you even contemplate not complaining.
The mess that's won 37 games in the last four full seasons. That kind of mess. That includes three seasons with Spencer Petras starting at QB. I want more wins but I'm not crazy enough to realize what we risk.
The question raised in this discussion-------what's the holdup in making coaching changes/
Simple question---simple answer--Kirk doesn't want to make any changes
He would rather sink with what he has to protect his son
Some one suggested don't buy tickets---I quit buying tickets last year when changes were not forth coming
Simple question---simple answer--Kirk doesn't want to make any changes
He would rather sink with what he has to protect his son
Some one suggested don't buy tickets---I quit buying tickets last year when changes were not forth coming
Again.....I am not calling for Kirk to be fired.
Are you in favor of keeping Brian as OC? After all, the offense could be worse (131/131 instead of 130/131).
I don't believe in the attitude of not making a coaching change out of fear of being worse.
I also don't believe in the defeatist attitude that Iowa can't possibly be any better, and can't possibly get better recruits. Pure bunkum.
But..... that's me. You have your beliefs and are entitled to them. Nobody will change your mind, and nobody will change mine.
37 wins in 4 years really doesn’t impress in this particular era of football when the best this program did was back into a West title once and then lose by 39 in the title game. We get 8 guaranteed games a year against programs that objectively we’re better than. Not to mention that we’ve avoided Ohio State and Michigan more than any other program in the conference.
Let me be very clear - at any program not named Iowa - firing an offensive coordinator would be the bare minimum of what would be the expectations of addressing the program professionally after a year like this and half a decade of poor results in on an OC.
Let me be very clear - at any program not named Iowa - firing an offensive coordinator would be the bare minimum of what would be the expectations of addressing the program professionally after a year like this and half a decade of poor results in on an OC.
