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WOW...just wow. Anyone who says the Dems didn't lie about Biden this whole time are insane.

Ree4 said:
Are you daft? One is a poll and the other are actual election results. "No different" LOL
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One is a poster saying Trump won by a majority. One is a long thread of dems saying Harris will win Iowa. Both apparently said something that isn’t accurate. Yet you think one is an idiot for what they said. Only some posters are still in disbelief that America voted for Trump.
 
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One is a poster saying Trump won by a majority. One is a long thread of dems saying Harris will win Iowa. Both apparently said something that isn’t accurate. Yet you think one is an idiot for what they said. Only some posters are still in disbelief that America voted for Trump.
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One was a prediction based on polls and the other was mis-interpreting the reality of the election results.

Who here doesn't believe that Trump won the election? Have you found people here denying the results?
 
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One is a poster saying Trump won by a majority. One is a long thread of dems saying Harris will win Iowa. Both apparently said something that isn’t accurate. Yet you think one is an idiot for what they said. Only some posters are still in disbelief that America voted for Trump.
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If you don't receive more than 50% of the vote, it's not a majority. Arguing something, like the definition of a majority, while being wrong indeed makes you an idiot.

A majority is more than half of a total.[1] It is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements. For example, if a group consists of 31 individuals, a majority would be 16 or more individuals, while having 15 or fewer individuals would not constitute a majority.
 
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If you don't receive more than 50% of the vote, it's not a majority. Arguing something, like the definition of a majority, while being wrong indeed makes you an idiot.

A majority is more than half of a total.[1] It is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements. For example, if a group consists of 31 individuals, a majority would be 16 or more individuals, while having 15 or fewer individuals would not constitute a majority.
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Did you even bother to read what I wrote? Thanks for the definition of majority. I guess you should look up what “Both apparently said something that isn’t accurate” means.
 
Flie said:
These election results?

Trump - 77,303,573 votes (49.9%)
Harris - 75,019,257 votes (48.4%)

Can you define "majority" for us?

Do the big thinking for us.
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Oh wow.........are you sure you know how to debate? I mean......ok. 😂

Majority /mə-jôr′ĭ-tē, -jŏr′-/
  1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
  2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
  3. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of its larger representation or electoral strength.
 
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Ree4 said:
If you don't receive more than 50% of the vote, it's not a majority. Arguing something, like the definition of a majority, while being wrong indeed makes you an idiot.

A majority is more than half of a total.[1] It is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements. For example, if a group consists of 31 individuals, a majority would be 16 or more individuals, while having 15 or fewer individuals would not constitute a majority.
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Come on....you guys cannot be this stupid......or maybe you can. 😂
  1. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
 
Hawkman34 said:
Oh wow.........are you sure you know how to debate? I mean......ok. 😂

Majority /mə-jôr′ĭ-tē, -jŏr′-/
  1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
  2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
  3. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of its larger representation or electoral strength.
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LOL

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Come on....you guys cannot be this stupid......or maybe you can. 😂
  1. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
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Christ. In this case the amount by which would be ZERO because Trump's total number of votes did not exceed the total number remaining. This is not that complicated.
 
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Flie said:

IAFB2021Champs do you want to take this one?​

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Sure. Polls aren’t accurate.

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Were the 2024 election polls wrong? UCR expert weighs in

Most political polls for the 2024 presidential election saw a close race in the electoral college, and a resounding popular-vote victory for Democrat Kamala Harris. Trump won the electoral college 312 to 226, and the popular vote by more than three million votes. We asked polling and survey...
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IAFB2021Champs said:
Did you even bother to read what I wrote? Thanks for the definition of majority. I guess you should look up what “Both apparently said something that isn’t accurate” means.
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I guess that's true, but how is it relevant? Kind of a weird simile to use.
 
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Ree4 said:
I guess that's true, but how is it relevant? Kind of a weird simile to use.
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Basically I’m saying that this board is full of exaggeration to try and make the side they are fighting for look better. Did Trump win by majority. No, but he did win and that’s who Americans voted for.
On the contrary. A poll came out and the dems had a boner based on that poll saying Iowa’s would be a blue state and Harris would win. Neither of those happened but dems made it sound like a done deal until the day of the election. Which do you consider more of an exaggeration or false information?
 
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Basically I’m saying that this board is full of exaggeration to try and make the side they are fighting for look better. Did Trump win by majority. No, but he did win and that’s who Americans voted for.
On the contrary. A poll came out and the dems had a boner based on that poll saying Iowa’s would be a blue state and Harris would win. Neither of those happened but dems made it sound like a done deal until the day of the election. Which do you consider more of an exaggeration or false information?
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I would say the first is more of an exaggeration or false. One is based on actual, quantifiable results. The other is a statistical probability which turned out to be outside the confidence interval. That doesn't make it wrong, it just means that the sample does not accurately represent the population.

He did not win a majority. Saying he did is factually inaccurate.

Using poll results to extrapolate to the broader election is generally going to be somewhat acceptable. The Selzer poll was clearly an outlier - polls are accurate roughly 60% of the time.

If we are comparing these two scenarios - one of these is completely false, the other was wishful thinking.
 
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Hawkman34 said:
Seriously, History will destroy the Dem's, their leaders and the lib media for this 4 year lie and fiasco. 😂
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Careful wingnuts. You're celebrating before the party's started. This shit storm may fall off the rails before it gets to the first stop.

Your Orange idiot doesn't have nearly poor quality of characters he did in his 1st administration. This collective group of cabinet and ambassador nominees wouldn't pass muster at a junior college interview.

The Hegseth character was a Stupid TV commentator because he is an expert communicator.
 
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IAFB2021Champs said:
Sure. Polls aren’t accurate.

news.ucr.edu

Were the 2024 election polls wrong? UCR expert weighs in

Most political polls for the 2024 presidential election saw a close race in the electoral college, and a resounding popular-vote victory for Democrat Kamala Harris. Trump won the electoral college 312 to 226, and the popular vote by more than three million votes. We asked polling and survey...
news.ucr.edu news.ucr.edu
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LOL ok but that's not the topic being covered by Hawkman34. Yes, people predicting outcome based on polls will often be inaccurate. Shocker!

You are comparing a poll-based prediction to calling a 49% win a "majority". Totes the same.
 
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Hawkman34 said:
Yes, the majority of voters. Maybe pay attention to the election results next time. Now, I could try and make a statement on the "thoughts" in your posts, but sadly, it is clear there are no real thoughts in any of them. 😂
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Remember, in their world the sky could actually be blue...but they would argue that it is red. LOL!
 
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Flie said:
LOL ok but that's not the topic being covered by Hawkman34. Yes, people predicting outcome based on polls will often be inaccurate. Shocker!

You are comparing a poll-based prediction to calling a 49% win a "majority". Totes the same.
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Ummm.....how can you not understand that a MAJORITY of those who cast a vote in this years election cast their vote for Trump? I mean....come on now.
 
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Hawkman34 said:
Oh wow.........are you sure you know how to debate? I mean......ok. 😂

Majority /mə-jôr′ĭ-tē, -jŏr′-/
  1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
  2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
  3. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of its larger representation or electoral strength.
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Even with this proof, they will claim it is not fact. LOL!!
 
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TornadoHawk93 said:
Even with this proof, they will claim it is not fact. LOL!!
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Hi Hawkman34. Proof! LOL

A majority is more than half of a total.[1] It is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements. For example, if a group consists of 31 individuals, a majority would be 16 or more individuals, while having 15 or fewer individuals would not constitute a majority.

A majority is different from, but often confused with, a plurality,[note 1] which is a subset larger than any other subset but not necessarily more than half the set. For example, if there is a group with 20 members which is divided into subgroups with 9, 6, and 5 members, then the 9-member group would be the plurality, but would not be a majority (as they have less than eleven members).
 
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Christ. In this case the amount by which would be ZERO because Trump's total number of votes did not exceed the total number remaining. This is not that complicated.
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Good grief. If you have 10 total votes cast and cadidate "A" receives 7 votes. That is a MAJORITY over the number of votes left to count - 3. We are not talking about the number of people eligible to cast a vote...only those votes that were cast. He won the MAJORITY of the votes that were cast in the election. :rolleyes:
 
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Hawkman34 said:
Oh wow.........are you sure you know how to debate? I mean......ok. 😂

Majority /mə-jôr′ĭ-tē, -jŏr′-/
  1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total.
  2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes.
  3. The political party, group, or faction having the most power by virtue of its larger representation or electoral strength.
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TornadoHawk93 said:
Typical Liberal, Dem, Marxist. You don't even realise how hypocritical your statement is. You lost....deal with it and take your meds. LOL!!
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Can you explain how Marxism has any bearing or meaning on any issue or matter relevant to today's political landscape.

You MAGAs throw this term out frequently, accusing posters on this board of being Marxists. Please explain what you are using for rationale. Do you even know what this term means or are you simply echoing foolish Stupid TV and conservative media diatribe.

It makes you look like the dumb, uneducated tribe we expect you to be.

liberal: noun

1. willing to accept or accept opinions or behavior different for ene's own; open to new ideas.

Isn't the majority/plurality discussion is related to the MANDATE issue.
 
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hawkedoff said:
It isn't the gop chanting free Palestine. As with most things you are the racist pos nazi right alongside your party. Are you already a full member of hamas or is it just a values alignment thing with you because you hate jews?
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Nazi, nazi, nazi. Oh jan, you are so predictable, but then you have anything to work with. Get a life and perhaps a job you worthless dick. Or else kill yourself and do your family a favor.
 
The left should have had an exit plan for him when he won office. He's 82 and being president takes a lot of focus and energy.

Nobody should be in politics at his age, and especially not president.
 
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Christ. In this case the amount by which would be ZERO because Trump's total number of votes did not exceed the total number remaining. This is not that complicated.
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BrianNole777 said:
I thought we agreed to stop fighting about worldly politics online with strangers? :(

It's probably nearing mortal sin.

@Hawkman34
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Brian.....once again you are right. I had a horrific day with some medical news about a family member and simply took it out here. Not a good solution in either case. Thanks AGAIN for the reset. :(
 
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ft254 said:
Careful wingnuts. You're celebrating before the party's started. This shit storm may fall off the rails before it gets to the first stop.

Your Orange idiot doesn't have nearly poor quality of characters he did in his 1st administration. This collective group of cabinet and ambassador nominees wouldn't pass muster at a junior college interview.

The Hegseth character was a Stupid TV commentator because he is an expert communicator.
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ft. You know there is a lot of truth in this statement. I have said (like others on here) that if Trump and his team screw this up......I will want them gone as well. The fact is not lost on me that they now control ALL branches of government and if they can't improve on what we currently have then they need to go. Although I did not vote for Biden in 2020, I really did want him to do well.....it just didn't turn out that way.

Trump doesn't have covid to blame for anything in the next 4 years.......so he must put up or shut up.

At the very least, in 4 years we can say goodby to all of these old guard people that have dominated Presidential politics for 8 years now. Agree?
 
Hawkman34 said:
Brian.....once again you are right. I had a horrific day with some medical news about a family member and simply took it out here. Not a good solution in either case. Thanks AGAIN for the reset. :(
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Sorry about your family member. I'll say a rosary for them.
 
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ft. You know there is a lot of truth in this statement. I have said (like others on here) that if Trump and his team screw this up......I will want them gone as well. The fact is not lost on me that they now control ALL branches of government and if they can't improve on what we currently have then they need to go. Although I did not vote for Biden in 2020, I really did want him to do well.....it just didn't turn out that way.

Trump doesn't have covid to blame for anything in the next 4 years.......so he must put up or shut up.

At the very least, in 4 years we can say goodby to all of these old guard people that have dominated Presidential politics for 8 years now. Agree?
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I don't know how Biden's administration performance can be judged as a failure. I can't understand why it's so difficult to look back and see how bad the economic situation was when he inherited office. He was considered a welcome reprieve, following an overt, macho bully having no finesse, driven by cynicism, apathy, and spewing lies and misinformation.

It took drastic action to rescue the country's financial situation. We were in terrible shape. It's easy, particularly when introducing partisan politics to undermine this. Inflation was a necessary evil and was global in nature.

I equate this to the Reagan worship. 138 people were indicted during his terms. The scandals had to be alphabetized. The Savings and Loan Scandal cost the taxpayers 150 billion dollars, which is is 320 billion in todays dollars and the impact of 150 billion was far more impactful in the 80s. That doesn't include the "trickle-down economics" which became the blueprint for our current and existing economic crisis.

The Right lives, breathes and exists on cynicism and negativity. Stupid TV and conservative media must have chaos and crisis to survive. Much like the GOP. There is no way they want to fix the Southern border. It's a tool in their box they need.

Do we need to change to the guard? No. IMO. Currently, the possibility of takeover of our political system by people with the financial means to buy it is absolutely scary. Wingers may champion the idea of changing the system for changes sake, but this is the fallacy of right-wing politics; as history points out its tactic's ineffectiveness leads to inevitable failure.


BTW, re: the vitriol directed towards Biden b/c of his failing cognitive skills. Yes. But Biden speaks in complex sentences and is already aged. The Orange Turd stumbles over 4 letter words in sentences 5 words or less and takes off on senseless ramblings. And he's not approaching Biden's age...yet. What are they going to do.....have Musk speak for him?
 
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Flie said:
Hi Hawkman34. Proof! LOL

A majority is more than half of a total.[1] It is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements. For example, if a group consists of 31 individuals, a majority would be 16 or more individuals, while having 15 or fewer individuals would not constitute a majority.

A majority is different from, but often confused with, a plurality,[note 1] which is a subset larger than any other subset but not necessarily more than half the set. For example, if there is a group with 20 members which is divided into subgroups with 9, 6, and 5 members, then the 9-member group would be the plurality, but would not be a majority (as they have less than eleven members).
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I have one handle on here, but nice try. LOL!

Look, take it any way you like. Trump and the Republicans won. It was a decisive victory in which all swing states went to him...as well as the popular vote. I am sure that upset you, but I can't help with that. I never thought I would see an election this soon in which the Republicans won the Presidency and both houses of congress. Times they are a changing and I am thrilled.
 
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